Aircraft Swap - Scene From 9/11: Intercepted Rating Options

[rob balsamo]

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According to RADES Radar, several aircraft targets seemingly go out of their way to converge and then 'split-off' from the aircraft reportedly used for the attacks on 9/11. Was an Aircraft swap occuring at these points?

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[rob balsamo]

Hi Colin,

If you heard AA11 still airborne from FAA HQ, why did you tell NEADS the report came from Washington Center?

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/p4t/Scoggins_Phantom_AA11.mp3

I agree with you that the targets could have been intercepted if the Fighters were launched earlier and it is covered in our presentation. But other factors were involved as well, such as inaccurate position reports repeated through the system.

Now lets get back to the original question....

Can you please explain to us why ATC would turn two eastbound aircraft from separate paths, nearly 180 degrees westbound, to fly virtually in formation with two other transport category aircraft flying in opposite direction?

Again, this stuck out as a sore thumb to me and many pilots I have consulted, many of which are Fighter Jocks. It looked like a Fighter Intercept, but it could have also been an aircraft swap.

[Cheap Shot]

If you heard AA11 still airborne from FAA HQ, why did you tell NEADS the report came from Washington Center?

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/p4t/Scoggins_Phantom_AA11.mp3

I never siad that I got this information from Washington Center, and I said it was en route to Washington, in the second voice clip, Huntress states that they say I got it from Washington (they are assuming it was Washington Center), as far as the 180 degree turns I will look at them tomorrow.

Cheap Shot

[rob balsamo]

I never siad that I got this information from Washington Center,

Yes you did.

Listen to it again Colin, this is exactly what you said when referring to "AA11 somewhere south over NJ".

I'll bold your own words for you...

"...this is a report here from Washington Center, you might want to get someone on another phone to Washington Center... see if they have him tracked up..."

Listen to your own words at 36 seconds, in the following recording.




That is your voice... yes?

The second voice clip on the above recording is NEADS talking to Washington Center asking them about AA11 still airborne. ZDC replies they were under the impression AA11 already crashed into the towers.

I ask again...

If you are now claiming you heard AA11 still airborne from FAA HQ, why did you tell NEADS the report came from Washington Center on Sept 11, 2001?

[Cheap Shot]

Listen to your own words at 36 seconds, in the following recording.


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That is your voice... yes?

If you are now claiming you heard AA11 still airborne from FAA HQ, why did you tell NEADS the report came from Washington Center on Sept 11, 2001?

I stand corrected I never listened to the tape that carefully. I did say Center, but I heard it from FAA HQ and I called NEADS eith the information. So another mistake that I made on that day, I'll add it to my list, I should have said HQ.

Cheap SHot

[rob balsamo]

Hello Colin. Hope you had a nice weekend.

I stand corrected I never listened to the tape that carefully.

I gave you the recording 3 times over the past two pages.

I did say Center, but I heard it from FAA HQ and I called NEADS eith the information. So another mistake that I made on that day, I'll add it to my list, I should have said HQ.

I think you are mistaken again. The call you had with FAA HQ is also well documented.

In your own words...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkGBE0AM5BI

The above call is the call you had with NEADS where you reference "6 SE of the White House" (then you later claim it was "6 SW"). You say in the above recording that you just got off the phone with FAA HQ. It appears you are confusing the above call with the earlier call you made regarding AA11 still airborne "...somewhere over NJ", where you sourced Washington Center.

Regardless, you cannot provide a direct source (name) for the original claim which is basically what I was initially asking. This is pertinent and should alarm even you as such a report ("AA11 still airborne... somewhere over NJ") was bogus (one could even call it disinformation intentionally being spread through the system) which caused all eyes to focus on a Phantom aircraft coming in from the Northeast, and away from the real threat penetrating Wash Class Bravo from the west. It also caused Langley Fighters to be launched out over the Atlantic, instead of direct to DC. It wasn't until there was an explosion at the Pentagon that the Langley fighters turned inbound to DC, much too late to do anything. Langley fighters were called to battlestations more than 30 mins prior to the attack on the Pentagon. Plenty of time to intercept had they got airborne instead of being fed disinformation. Again, it's all covered in our film with audio and radar data provided by govt agencies.

Now, for perhaps the fourth time....

Can you please explain to us why ATC would turn two eastbound aircraft from separate paths, nearly 180 degrees westbound, to fly virtually in formation with two other transport category aircraft flying in opposite direction?

[Cheap Shot]

Hello Colin. Hope you had a nice weekend.



I gave you the recording 3 times over the past two pages.





I think you are mistaken again. The call you had with FAA HQ is also well documented.

In your own words...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkGBE0AM5BI

The above call is the call you had with NEADS where you reference "6 SE of the White House" (then you later claim it was "6 SW"). You say in the above recording that you just got off the phone with FAA HQ. It appears you are confusing the above call with the earlier call you made regarding AA11 still airborne "...somewhere over NJ", where you sourced Washington Center.

Regardless, you cannot provide a direct source (name) for the original claim which is basically what I was initially asking. This is pertinent and should alarm even you as such a report ("AA11 still airborne... somewhere over NJ") was bogus (one could even call it disinformation intentionally being spread through the system) which caused all eyes to focus on a Phantom aircraft coming in from the Northeast, and away from the real threat penetrating Wash Class Bravo from the west. It also caused Langley Fighters to be launched out over the Atlantic, instead of direct to DC. It wasn't until there was an explosion at the Pentagon that the Langley fighters turned inbound to DC, much too late to do anything. Langley fighters were called to battlestations more than 30 mins prior to the attack on the Pentagon. Plenty of time to intercept had they got airborne instead of being fed disinformation. Again, it's all covered in our film with audio and radar data provided by govt agencies.

First of all I had a great weekend my grandson's 9 year-old baseball team won thier two key games and are now the number one seed in the city tournament.

I heard the above recordings all three times and I even went back to youtube to hear it again, and I said "I stand corrected that I did say Washington Center on the recording that you have above"; however, I had not talked to Washington Center at all up to this time period, I receved the call over the Security telcon that was running from Dave Canoles office. There were several people in that office and I do not have a source of the person's name that told me AAL11 was still in the air. When you mention later that I may be confusing this call with the call where I stated the direction from White House, I did not mistake that call, it was the same telcon. I had been on that telcon for about 30 minutes up to that point, I never got off it, it was on speaker phone for Dan Bueno and myself. Joe Cooper was also near by and listening to the same telcon.

As far as the planes out of Langley they were launched becasue of the phantom AAL11 call. I don't see how that could be disinformation when this is the information that generated the scramble call. As far as the wrong direction that was a lapse in some one not passing the target information to FACSFAC VACAPES who put them on the standard scramble route out of Langley.

Prior to my call to NEADS at I beleive 9:27 regarding the aircraft reference "6 SE of the White House" and then later I state "6 SW" no one knew about AAL77's location. A controller at Dulles had just picked up the fast moving primary target about the same time.

Also at that time NEADS realized that they had departed out over the water and were not heading towards DC. They were heading 090 I beleive which had nothing to do with the location of the phantom AAL11.

I have no idea whose mistake that was, whether it was VACAPES or Washington's Center or NEADS, my understanding was they were going to be launched towards DC.

I have to agree with you on the battlestation call they should have been launched in enough time to get to DC. However I disagree with you that they were routed over water for the Phantom AAL11, they were requested to go to DC, but someone miscommincated that request, who I don't have a clue.

I want to apologize for the use of the term CT, I didn't think it was offensive. I have to agree with you as well that I am sure that a lot of your bloggers are very proud ammericans, military and exmilitary. Don't get me wrong either, I think you should all ask ton's of questions, if there is something out thier that doesn't sound right then it should be questioned. I'm here just giving you information on what I know. You don't have to beleive it. Do with it as you beleive.

Cheap Shot P.S I have not looked at the radar piece again that you asked me to look at, I think I may have some free time tomorrow and I will look at it again. I'll try to answer your question about the 180 degree turns.

[woody]

Prior to my call to NEADS at I beleive 9:27 regarding the aircraft reference "6 SE of the White House" and then later I state "6 SW" no one knew about AAL77's location. A controller at Dulles had just picked up the fast moving primary target about the same time.

If my recollections are correct, your warnings came at 9:37, i.e. immediately before the impact, and more important, Kevin Nasypany reported an unknown primary target at 9:36, east of the White House, even before your messages. Am I right?