Aircraft Swap - Scene From 9/11: Intercepted Rating Options

[rob balsamo]

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According to RADES Radar, several aircraft targets seemingly go out of their way to converge and then 'split-off' from the aircraft reportedly used for the attacks on 9/11. Was an Aircraft swap occuring at these points?

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[kawika]

This would fit the low flier reported over the WH heading east. This was captured by CNN, (maybe) , seen by someone south of the mall (McNerny) and may be the same flier captured at the Goss interview at the Capitol.

It does not show up on the radar scope files, but we have not had the expertise available to determine if it is shown in the data files.

I'm ready to assist as soon as someone steps forward to help figure this out.

This post has been edited by kawika: Jul 22 2012, 11:28 AM

[rob balsamo]

It does not show up on the radar scope files, but we have not had the expertise available to determine if it is shown in the data files.

It shows up in the RADES RS3 software and is covered in 9/11 Intercepted, along with the first E4B that departed ADW which circled around the alleged "AA77". I changed their target colors to white for the E4B's so people can see their tracks better from the RADES software recorded for our presentation.

Here is a screenshot from our film of the RADES RS3 software and the two E4B tracks.

(IMG:http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/myphotos1960/RADES_E4B.jpg)

[kawika]

It shows up in the RADES RS3 software and is covered in 9/11 Intercepted, along with the first E4B that departed ADW which circled around the alleged "AA77". I changed their target colors to white for the E4B's so people can see their tracks better from the RADES software recorded for our presentation.

Here is a screenshot from our film of the RADES RS3 software and the two E4B tracks.

mod edit - removed image

These appear to be V22 and SWORD31. Do either of these satisfy a WH overflight? V77 certainly doesn't fit the WH scenario. As far as I can see none enter the P-56 area.

V77 fits the CNN video high flier heading North turning east.

The low flier on the CNN video is impossible to say with certainty where it was filmed. Just because it was seen after the high flier was captured does not mean it was the same plane. The low flier could be headed east or it could be headed north. It all depends upon where the camera is.

Still searching for more details.

This post has been edited by rob balsamo: Jul 25 2012, 03:09 AM

[rob balsamo]

These appear to be V22 and SWORD31. Do either of these satisfy a WH overflight? V77 certainly doesn't fit the WH scenario. As far as I can see none enter the P-56 area.

V77 fits the CNN video high flier heading North turning east.

The low flier on the CNN video is impossible to say with certainty where it was filmed. Just because it was seen after the high flier was captured does not mean it was the same plane. The low flier could be headed east or it could be headed north. It all depends upon where the camera is.

Still searching for more details.

Hi Kawika,

it's been awhile since i researched it, but if i recall...

Word 31 is the E4B which circled "AA77" and then headed off to the midwest.

Venus 77 is the E4B which circled the White House passing north of P-56 and caught on CNN, and then headed south.

Venus 22 is a Gulfstream III which eventually returned to Andrews.

Again, this is all according to govt provided official reports and should be taken as such. All of the above are represented in the RADES RS3 files...

Hope this helps...

[kawika]

Hi Kawika,

it's been awhile since i researched it, but if i recall...

Word 31 is the E4B which circled "AA77" and then headed off to the midwest.

Venus 77 is the E4B which circled the White House passing north of P-56 and caught on CNN, and then headed south.

Venus 22 is a Gulfstream III which eventually returned to Andrews.

Again, this is all according to govt provided official reports and should be taken as such. All of the above are represented in the RADES RS3 files...

Hope this helps...

SWORD31 left Andrews, passed well south of P-56. I cannot imagine anyone mistaking this for being over the WH or circling the WH.

V77 left Andrews (see track in Post #92) went north of the P-56. When CNN caught it over Jackson Place it was ~7-8,000 feet according to the scope views and the dataset. It continued to gain altitude through its turn heading east, then south of P-56.

This track cannot be the low flier caught by CNN.

If not V77 or SWORD31 then what is it?

Given the fact that CNN did not release their footage to Pinnacle until 2006(?) and no interview with the cameraman was ever done, we cannot be certain that the low flier was captured from Lafayette Park, nor can we be certain of the timing suggested by the tape. My experience with video in the WTC area suggests heavy manipulation of both content and chronology. Rarely do we see true "raw" footage with end to end connections.

The brief scene of the white jet captured by an ABC cameraman upon his hasty exit from the WH grounds comports with the V77 before it turns north over P-56. It is headed west at this time ~9:42.

(IMG:http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6884/abce4b942am.th.jpg)

You can see this footage here at mark 6:00: (It is not live)
http://archive.org/details/abc200109111036-1118?start=179.5

Do we have anyone in DC who can take a field trip to scope out locations? Please PM me for details.