What Is The End Game? Options

[archerace7]

Hello,
I would not classify myself as a "Truther" because I find that term derogatory, as it is used by the main stream media to discredit anyone that does not believe everything the Gov. feeds them.

However that being said I think that anyone with any common sense, and no agenda, knows that the American people have been lied to repeatedly about the events of 9/11. With out fail when I have pointed out the problems with the official story to people I know, that blindly accepted the official story, they have gotten a.."I get it" look on their face.

I think that if any main stream media outlet reached the masses with the hard evidence that is available there would be a collective shortness of breath across our nation. That is never going to happen, because of the close ties of the media to the politicians, and the fact that they fear they would lose all credibility.

Since 2005 I have watched the "truth" movement go over the same things time and time again, and at this point I feel like you are preaching to the choir. Yes there are a lot of people who have had their eyes opened, but not enough to force any action.

My question is simple, what is the end game plan of the "truth" movement. You will never get an official investigation, because if the investigation revealed that factions of our Government were involved, no politician's job would be safe. They will not let that happen.

With out main stream media hitting this topic, the ground swell of people demanding an investigation will never happen. So where do we go from here?

Does anyone have a plan as to how to achieve the public support needed to actually force an investigation into this? Besides selling DVDs to people who already have seen the light.

If this movement is ever going to go any farther than it is right now, there is going to have to be some kind of organized effort on a huge scale. I hope it happens soon.

[lunk]

Good questions.
There are a few in control driving an agenda, and there are the controlled masses. And there are those of us, that somehow, got away.
And can see through both sides.

The thing to remember is that everybody is just as important, as anyone else.
Look at your own experiences for what you are to do, as that is what you can do, and it will be different from anyone else's abilities.

The controllers agenda is written out by them, from unelected foundations and think-tanks, for all to see, they nicely tell us what is coming.

We are in a huge de-population campaign, that is being accelerated. War has been declared on every individual on the planet. TV is just a mass-mind control device and has little to do with entertainment. Personal computers are information gathering devices on individuals.

it looks to me like individual thought, is also under attack.

"They" control most of the media, weather, and public opinion, and they have prepared their brainwashed multitudes to fight, so violence is not a very practical option, for those awake, to the present (and past) world situation.

It's good to remember that anybody can be very autonomous,
and it is impossible to herd cats.

So, for those that know the truth, use your own talents, in your own unique way, to stall, or divert this hell-bent agenda.

People have always been ruled by a few psychopathic personalities who think themselves superior.
Yet, we now live in a time where people are more informed than any time in history!

It only takes a single idea to bring down this corrupt system, of power and enslavement. If enough people knew this, perhaps one may have that idea.

Until then, let them try and herd cats.

[André]

There is no endgame in the truth movement because we all view this from different perspective and if we have learned anything from our research is that reality is much different than the model we are shown, this make-believe reality is supported and protected by most people because their self interest (real or perceived) depend on it.

Unless we in the truth movement deepen our analysis and understand the economic and social foundation of this hierarchical class structure we all play a part in (and propose workable solutions), we will never get enough traction to move to the next level in the struggle to replace this world order, and there's nothing new about it...

This post has been edited by André: Sep 17 2011, 01:50 PM

[albertchampion]

realistically, the effort to reconstruct the actual events of that day in september can only be considered an academic exercise. and an exercise that will never gain any airing.

it will be treated like all the other inquiries into all the other episodes that have fostered fascism, entrenched militarism, over the decades.

ho-hum.

after all, it seems to have disturbed virtually none of the electorate to have learned that the excuse for invading indochina was predicated upon a fraud. nor that the rationale for invading korea[and continuing to maintain troops on that very artificial frontier] was predicated upon another fraud.

as i think i mentioned long ago, one of my academic interests was investigating the TFX[F111] contract award. and i have never arrested my investigations. many of my friends continue to be amazed at the duration of my targeting this story for examination. though they tell me that they marvel at how much i have learned about the dimensions of the organized crime involvement in this contract award, it is clear that they consider my continuing focus to be more than quixotic. irrelevant is the characterization, i think.

and, of course, i try to tell them that the organized crime interests that brought you that continue to govern the amerikan political arena. and it is beyond their imagining that as of today, the gangster class has usurped completely the amerikan political process.

the clearest example of the entrenchment is the introduction of electronic voting machines. and the electorate appears to have welcomed them.

the end game has nothing to do with what happened on 11 september 2001. the real end game is what is being prepared for all of the world's population that is impoverished in contrast to the bankster/political classes.

and i think that there is no reversing the direction. just as there has been no avenue for reversing the totalitarian direction in any country since the end of ww2.

what is the end game, then? as the bankster/gangster class destroys the entirety of the planet.

[Werdna]

Hi.

Well I think I've chosen a big subject to make my first post to this forum...

...I suppose some background about me is in order first.

I've been a professional business continuity manager since 1997 and I've had the opportunity to work in a wide variety of companies both in Australia, where I'm based, and overseas. In 1998 I did some work in Washington DC, and I've recently been back for a holiday visiting DC again as well as NYC. I might also add that I watched the twin towers collapse live on TV in Australia - the coverage hit our airwaves about midnight.

I first became fascinated about the whole 9/11 event back in 2004 when one of my clients asked me for some data on aircraft crashing into buildings. My research took me straight to the WTC via the internet and from there I became aware of the skepticism that was emerging about the official version. This was before the 911 Commission handed in its findings. In the early years there were so many contradicting stories and theories being banded around and it seemed only the really wacky ones were getting airplay. However, one didn't have to dig too far to realise the official version did not stack up at all.

It seemed for quite a while there that I was discovering that out of all my family and friends that I was the only one with this opinion, as it was clear no one else was bothering to read any more than what was being fed to them by the mass media. I was quite excited about the emerging revelations but I also realised my family and friends were not interested. In fact, I think it's fair to say they thought I was becoming a bit fanatical. So, I backed off, and took to listening what people were saying, and kept my opinions to myself (...what was the point - no one seemed be cottoning on). I've read many posts on this forum of people here running into the same issues, and I eventually got fed up of having lame counter-points thrown back at me. It's exhausting, and not very healthy for ones social and family life. I ended up feigning disinterest and dropped discussing it publicly.

Nevertheless, I kept up my own private research and purchased some books starting with the excellent account by Mike Ruppert (Crossing the Rubicon), and some others by Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky, plus others. I think I have a better than average understanding of what appears to be going on than most of the people in my sphere. Having said that I have only ever met one other person with whom I have had an agreed perspective since 2004. Sadly we don't correspond so I have no idea of her current views.

Having seen and read quite a lot on information, it was refreshing to find this website as I've raised 9/11 with a couple of pilots friends, who sadly seemed quite accepting of the official version of events. So from the research you chaps have done it adds significant weight to facts that occurred that day way back in 2001. One of these guys flies 737/767 and the other is ex-RAAF, but mainly Caribous and C130 (I think). Neither seemed to have any issues with the official version.

Personally I have no doubt that the Official Version is criminally wrong. It bugs me that very few folk seem to be paying attention to the errors that continually keep being circulated.

I've also been annoyed with those who continually working at discrediting those who uncover the facts, or set-up smokescreens whilst appearing to be genuinely in agreement. I guess I'll be put in that category until it evident that I am a true skeptic of the official version.

So, I've mentioned that I'm annoyed with my family and friends; the media; and I should also mention a swag of others including work colleagues and the criminal cohorts in the Aussie government, but I'm assuming you know the types. But there's one thing that is really bugging me, which is why I selected this subject for my first post. And that is, what is the end game in all this?

Personally I can't see past my own nose when I try to fathom all the destruction of lives, infrastructure, natural habitat, economic chaos and all the other stuff that our world leaders seem hell-bent on doing. This can't go on forever. They can't buy their way out of this can they? If the science is right about trying to maintain unsustainable growth and the climate change being wrung from it as a consequence... and the ever-growing population... well they are going to be a part of it too.

...I just wish I had an idea of what those in power are thinking. Starting with the perpetrators of 9/11. I can't think of a better place to begin.

Best of luck everyone. And keep up the great work.

PS. I ordered the "9/11 Intercepted" vids the other day, so I might be passing them around to see if any opinions have changed of late.

[André]

I don't believe the ruling class has any end game in mind beside greed and endless accumulation of wealth and power, they are not concerned with the consequences of their actions because they never pay the price, we do. Naomi Klein calls it disaster capitalism, Marx predicted the following, that from the productive form of capitalism he knew, capitalism would evolve to be more financial in nature, therefore unable to meet human needs and provoking a revolutionary era, some call it casino capitalism, none of this is planned, yet it's almost inevitable.

[rob balsamo]

Welcome to the forum Werdna and thank you for your support!

You should have received the high quality download in your email, so be sure to check it. International DVD orders should go out sometime this week.

Thanks again!

[GroundPounder]

...I just wish I had an idea of what those in power are thinking.

welcome! lots of solid information on these forums, so happy perusing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

as to your wish, well, i don't share it. call it a lack of curiosity, but i think that the sick twisted psychopaths you are referring to have dark thoughts that healthy humans don't entertain for more than a fraction of a second. from what i gather, they are into every perversion known to man. i don't need the specifics.

as to the end game, there was a cartoon here in the states called 'pinky and the brain'. at the end of every episode pinky would ask brain, 'what are we going to do tomorrow brain?' at which point brain would reply, 'same thing we do every day pinky, try to take over the world.' mix together a bunch of psychopaths who want to be god accountable to nobody, with a bunch of regular people trying to get through the day and you have your end game.

my two cents.

[Werdna]

Welcome to the forum Werdna and thank you for your support!

You should have received the high quality download in your email, so be sure to check it. International DVD orders should go out sometime this week.

Thanks again!

Yep. Thanks, I have received those... I wasn't sure at first if that was all I was going to get as I specifically wanted the DVD so I could circulate it further. Also, I tend to use my private computer most well commuting by train, and for that I use a mobile dial-up connection, so I tend to avoid big down-loads until I get home.

Just getting back to some to the other responses to the issue I'm wrestling with... I'm sure that the sequence of events (not just 9/11), but I suppose the evolution of the modern world as we know it is overtaking the main players. It certainly appears to be well out of control, although there is still this general thrust to trying to maintain a pattern of consistent, but ultimately unsustainable growth. This is a capitalist intention, I'm sure, and it's not an invention of the USA - it's all over, and we are seeing monumental change down the same path by the communist nations too.

I've never really understood the mega-rich... I mean how many Ferrari's can you drive in one day..? It is staggering to think of the illegal (and 'currently legal') wealth generated by a few truly sinister people. I'm sure greed was one of the motivating factors behind the perpetrators of 9/11, and all the subsequent 'little crimes' that have followed on since such as the global financial system debacle. But I can't help thinking they have the tiger by the tail. I like Naomi Klein's interpretation "disaster capitalism" - I'll have to look that one up.

...Oh, here's a thought. One way the USA national debt could be eliminated would be to generate a bit of hyper-inflation. On second, thoughts, I'd rather not think about it.

...and here's a couple of personal observations from 9/11 that I definitely recall seeing on the TV coverage of 9/11 from my Australian location:

1. There was a warning that a plane was headed directly for the White House and I'm sure the commentator said the WH was being evacuated. I can't recall which TV station announced it, but it was before the Pentagon was hit. So it shouldn't have been a surprise that a rogue aircraft was heading towards DC.
2. I'm sure I saw footage of a fire in the Executive Building (next door to the WH). I had been there in '98, so I recognised the building. What happened to that? I haven't heard anything about that since.

...sorry if I'm being lazy and not researching this forum more thoroughly for an appropriate thread for those points. I'll add it to my list of things to do.

Anyway, it's a gorgeous day here today, and it's time to get the barbie fired up and have a couple of coldies with the neighbours. It will be interesting to see if the recent 10-year anniversary of 9/11 comes into the conversation.

Cheers. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheers.gif)

[jimrich]

I don't believe the ruling class has any end game in mind beside greed and endless accumulation of wealth and power, they are not concerned with the consequences of their actions because they never pay the price, we do.

IMO, as long as "we" (many eager young warriors) are willing to go to war with the enemies the ruling class selects for us and consume their products (oil and pharmaceuticals) they will have it all their way WITH our unconscious consent. We and them make the perfect Triangular drama/game. They need us and we need them to continue with the violent or needy games of life. 9-11 was just another stunt, staged by the ruling class, to get "us" into war and keep the money and power flowing their way and WE fell for it like WE always have for centuries (look at past wars and wonder!).

Naomi Klein calls it disaster capitalism, Marx predicted the following, that from the productive form of capitalism he knew, capitalism would evolve to be more financial in nature, therefore unable to meet human needs and provoking a revolutionary era, some call it casino capitalism, none of this is planned, yet it's almost inevitable.

It's "inevitable" so long as the majority of servile, little ppl can be TEMPTED by the Ruling Class to go to war, use their products, do their bidding, etc. They know this and simply cooperate in the total game. It's both planned and inevitable UNTIL the little servile ppl get it that they don't really HAVE to play the games the Elite set up for them! We have power also - as individuals - NOT to play the games they place before us. I wonder how many of us have the back bone to STOP playing their war/consumer games and BOYCOTT THEM? Not very many I'm guessing......... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[SanderO]

I don't think the truth movement is organized enough to have a plan. It's mostly a few *core* groups like Pilots who discuss the issues and produce various presentations to spread around. There are numerous petitions demanding a new investigation but I don't know if they've all been assembled, published or submitted.

The discussions have gone on to speculate in varying degrees of detail about what happened, how it was done and who was behind it. Most of the details of any conspiracy are not presented and some of them are very extensive, complex, huge and mind boggling. This may be what also turns people away... the alternative theories are as frightening in a different way than what the official story was.

Regardless of who was behind it... we know who got in front of it and may it work for them - the MIC... And this extremely powerful force in the USA is not going to have anyone rain on their parade. And they can make sure that happens because of their *influence* in DC, the media and even Main Street.

So much of the OCT is demonstrably wrong. But most of the 911 truth theories are not demonstrably true... they're mostly speculative, despite the passion of the movement and all sorts of strange people and ideas have surfaced. It's hard to tell which end is up. And we have precious little reliable hard evidence to use to make sense of it all.

But the MIC policies based on 911 lies are hard to retract even with the people now weary of war and being searched at every flight... but there is little mechanism or will to actually look back and get it right. The Obama theme has been to look forward not back. Let bygones be bygones and deal with the issues of the day (which he doesn't either).

The truth movement is not a movement... there is no leadership and plan and so it's mostly naval gazing of passionate people who realize we've been shafted (once again) and can't even agree on what actually happened that day.

[KP50]

The truth movement is not a movement... there is no leadership and plan and so it's mostly naval gazing of passionate people who realize we've been shafted (once again) and can't even agree on what actually happened that day.

No traditional movement using the tools of the enemy (electronic media) is ever going to succeed - they have unlimited resources to pitch against us as they have been doing since Day 1 when the initial lie was sold. Because they knew the official story was a crock and once people dug into it, it would be shown up as such. The difficulty is that the lie is so huge and complex that it is harder for people to take on board - much harder than a small lie.

We don't need to agree what happened to agree what didn't happen. Why do you think the work of CIT and Pilots has been attacked so mercilessly? It isn't because it is controversial - it is anything but - in fact CIT's evidence is remarkably simple to understand. The Pentagon was smoke and mirrors, big bang, bright flash and sit down while we tell you what happened. But CIT interviewed the people who were there and putting their testimonies together, it is easy to work out what didn't happen - namely that the plane didn't hit any lightpoles. If it didn't hit the lightpoles, then you know it is "Inside Job". You don't need to know anything about WTC to work it out.

So rather than try to piece the whole plot together, why not focus on the Pentagon (as CIT did) and promote their very simple evidence which just happens to be captured in their video NSA? Imagine if that went viral ....

[SanderO]

But it's still a leap to conclude that the WTC was an inside job even if the pentagon was. There are other possibilities. Each part of the story has its own explanation.

[KP50]

But it's still a leap to conclude that the WTC was an inside job even if the pentagon was. There are other possibilities. Each part of the story has its own explanation.

That's a leap the same way that you have to leap over a crack in the pavement.