Announcing: 9/11 10th Anniversary Event In Toronto, ft Craig of CIT, hosted by B. Zwicker Options

[727fan]

Here are two new essays we just published on this topic:

1. Has Citizen Investigation Team (CIT) Been Invited to the Toronto Hearings?

2. The Toronto Invitations

The sad sub-story there follows the principle of: when those who are truly guilty accuse others of being the guilty parties.

Clearly, that is what the organizers of the TH are doing.

The reason they do not truly care about the "best available evidence" is exactly because the accusations they make about CIT and PFT are actually the truth about the people making the accusations, the organizers of the TH.

YES, that's right, it is very clear from their disgraceful behavior that the organizers of the TH are themselves nothing other than government disinfo agents, what fantastic cover to hide behind the veneer of a supposed "Truth" conference (the TH) that will be of course nothing of the sort, and the same for their bogus Journal of 9/11 Studies.

There is no other reasonable explanation for their disgusting behavior, including most of all supporting the official story about the pentagon which has been proven 100% false, and vilifying honest people dedicated to revealing and disseminating the truth of what really happened.

It's my hope that Craig, Aldo and anyone else slandered by those fools does not get discouraged, does not give up, and does not spend any long amounts of time arguing against those disinfo agent provocateurs. Like their bosses the perps themselves, those jerks have a very unpleasant end awaiting them.

[SanderO]

I would like to present for consideration another explanation for the behavior of the organizers of the Toronto event going on as I write this message.

The TH are largely an AE911T event. The organizers, several of the *witnesses* and the person who is writing the summery James Gorley are AE911T people, or have very strong ties to AE911T.

So what is AE911T? If one can understand the raison d'etre of AE911T and the motivation of Richard Gage it can explain a lot about what they do, or don't do and what's going on with CIT and their being excluded from the TH.

AE911T is a PR operation. They do not conduct research. They aggregate and package and present what they call evidence of explosive controlled demolition. Their petition and mission statement call for a new investigation:

MISSION STATEMENT

Our work at AE911Truth is dedicated to the victims, families and all others throughout the world affected by the tragic events of September 11, 2001 and its aftermath. We are a non-partisan association of architects, engineers, and affiliates.

Our mission is to research, compile, and disseminate scientific evidence relative to the destruction of the three World Trade Center skyscrapers, calling for a truly open and independent investigation and supporting others in the pursuit of justice.

and:

"Our organization is devoted to:

■ Dispelling misinformation with scientific facts and forensic evidence

■ Educating and motivating thousands of architects and engineers and the public at large

■ Procuring a truly independent 9/11 investigation with subpoena power

■ Achieving 9/11 Truth mainstream media coverage

"

yet they also CONCLUDE:

"We call upon Congress for a truly independent investigation with subpoena power. We believe that there is sufficient evidence to conclude that three World Trade Center buildings #1 (North Tower), #2 (South Tower), and #7 (the 47-story high-rise across Vesey St.) were destroyed not by jet impact and fires but by controlled demolition with explosives."

Their petition:

Please Take Notice That:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story to justify re-opening the 9/11 investigation. The new investigation must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7."

Their petition is signed by about 250 licensed architects plus licensed engineers and related building professionals and other engineers and students bring the total to over 1,500. There are about 100,000 licensed architects in the USA and their petition signers represent 0.25% of licensed architects in the US and likely a similar or less for licensed structural engineers.

What they do do... is make presentations (Gage being the main presenter) of their *Blueprint for Truth* which is intended to have an audience cast doubt on the official story (agreed) and then sign their petition and make a donation to support their effort to get others to sign their petition and make a donation. 99.9% of their effort is in gaining petition signers and getting donations to support their operations. Gage pays himself almost a 6 figure income not including his expenses. Several others in the organization are receiving compensation called *stipends* for their work on behalf of the organization. Of course organizations needs funds to operate so we can't expect them to be any different.

No one at AE911T wants the organization to be out of business... ie when the new investigation is on hand. The party would be over.

So in a sense they are in the business of 911 truth and have a vested interest in seeing their *brand* prosper. And this includes having the best brand.. the most respect and the least competition form anyone else in the 911 truth movement... regardless of what others in the movement are there for.

It seems an anathema to claim that they are in this to milk the issue... but if this were to be the case it would explain their behavior without having a single *infiltrator* steer policy decisions. Ego and greed even can be used to explain their behavior as a turf fight... and their explanations ring hollow because they have nothing to do with the search for the *truth*.

For example, there is very good research being done at the 911 Free Forums (http://the911forum.freeforums.org/) with respect to the destruction of the WTC. But you'll never see any of it mentioned by AE911T... and probably because it is more scientific and comprehensive that the AE911T talking points and conclusions presented above.

What would happen to AE911T if a substantial portion of their case was shown to be nothing more than *projection* or wishful thinking? What would happen if the Emperor was seen as having no clothes? To mix metaphors... Humpty Dumpty would have a big fall.

We've gotten to the point where so many people have put there trust in these guys that the idea of them peddling a somewhat flimsy case for explosive controlled demolition is untenable to tens of thousands of 911 truthers and many very intelligent and well educated people... After all Gage represents 1,500 building professionals who have put their reputation on the line so to speak. By the way have any of them received any sort of threat for signing the petition? I've not heard of a single case. Could there be self imposed censorship and intimidation? Of course. But I don't know of any actual cases. If anyone does... please speak up.

I would ask readers to consider not infiltration as the cause to explain AE911T, (Gage's) and the organizers of the Toronto Hearings in blocking CIT and the NOC and flyover theory, but protection of turf as the reason. These guys want to drive the narrative of the 911 truth movement... no distractions are permitted.

I would also ask readers to consider that many people have by now lost their ability to be objective about 911 as they are so much in the *thrall* of MIHOP or the *inside job*. They don't see that they are acting much like members of a cult.. and of course cults and their members don't see them as part of a cult phenomena. This is very understandable psychology and cults can snare many very intelligent and well educated people who have lost their perspective.

We were sold a bill of goods by the gov and the media about 911. We do want to get the truth as to what happened and who carried it out, how they did it and who was behind it. We need solid investigations to determine that... and a few theories and hypotheses are not verboten. But what we are seeing in the TH is nothing more than a turf war to "own" the debate and the *facts*.

I expect many of the *evidence* to emerge from the TH to be more of the same... largely restatements of the AE911T BFT. Expect no new revelations/evidence which have been truly independently vetted by several non partisan researchers. That is not going to happen. This is hardly different than the so called peer review engineering journal *Bentham* where you have to pay to get published and they have years where no articles have been published apparently.... So much for peer review they tout.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... it is a duck...

over...

JSO architect

This post has been edited by SanderO: Sep 8 2011, 08:53 AM

[23investigator]

I would like to present for consideration another explanation for the behavior of the organizers of the Toronto event going on as I write this message.

..........

JSO architect

Dear SanderO

There is an old saying.

The horse may be old, and 'mange', kick a lot, and make a lot of unpleasent noises.
But it is better than an empty stable.

We have a hard journey ahead.

Dont' deny them to be fed, even if they appear a little greedy, it may be the old horse gains due respect in time, by going the journey.

Robert

ps Thankyou for your summary, I have no doubt it is full of heart felt objectiveness and accuracy.

[CuriousGeorge2]

The sad sub-story there follows the principle of: when those who are truly guilty accuse others of being the guilty parties.

Clearly, that is what the organizers of the TH are doing.

The reason they do not truly care about the "best available evidence" is exactly because the accusations they make about CIT and PFT are actually the truth about the people making the accusations, the organizers of the TH.

YES, that's right, it is very clear from their disgraceful behavior that the organizers of the TH are themselves nothing other than government disinfo agents, what fantastic cover to hide behind the veneer of a supposed "Truth" conference (the TH) that will be of course nothing of the sort, and the same for their bogus Journal of 9/11 Studies.

There is no other reasonable explanation for their disgusting behavior, including most of all supporting the official story about the pentagon which has been proven 100% false, and vilifying honest people dedicated to revealing and disseminating the truth of what really happened.

It's my hope that Craig, Aldo and anyone else slandered by those fools does not get discouraged, does not give up, and does not spend any long amounts of time arguing against those disinfo agent provocateurs. Like their bosses the perps themselves, those jerks have a very unpleasant end awaiting them.

100% agree, 727 fan.

And, let me suggest:
• We publicize the names of the 'clique' and call for a general boycott all their organizations and properties.
• Question: How to deal with orgs such as RememberBuilding7.org which appear to be interlinked with one of their rotten projects (giving away TH 'final report' with each new donation')?
• We put into place new infrastructure (i.e. we make our own version of 911blogger, hold our own 9/11 hearing next year, in which we invite pilots and CIT, produce our own 'final report', etc.) - and take the 'clique' completely and peacefully out of the loop.

I don't take SanderO's comments too seriously. I think he's just here to disrupt.

[SanderO]

I am here to disrupt what?

I participate in these discussions when I have something to contribute... based on my knowledge and experience. You, or others may not agree with what I have to say... and that is perfectly fine... and even better if you can provide a rational explanation for what is wrong with something I have written.

I have tried in my comments about the collapse of the twin towers to convey what I believe are accurate observations and information about the structure of the towers... such as the safety factor and how it can be related to a progressive failure of a structure. How else would you explain a progressive failure of a structural system such as a series of columns? If you can refute this or falsify it, be my guest. But this is not disruption, nor distraction.. it is an attempt to investigate and understand and get to the truth.

When I was at AE911T including being on the Board of Directors, I was accused of disruption for wanting to engage in open discussion about the same issues I am trying to discuss here - the structure of the WTC buildings and how this informs our understanding of how they were destroyed. Nothing disruptive about discussion... except for those who want to bury their heads in the sands of ignorance or are clinging to unfounded beliefs rather than rational supportable, scientific, data based ideas.

I commented on the thread about the Toronto Hearings and based my opinion on my experience with the group and people behind the event and i predicted it would be more or less the same presentation that we've been subject to for several years... by AE911T and its allies. There was no attempt, for example, to contact any of the researchers at the 911 Free Forum (http://the911forum.freeforums.org)... who have done very good research and produced very reliable data about the WTC. The work there which I have referred to numerous times, with citations, is completely ignored by the mainstream truth movement and of course the mainstream OCT because it contains data which undermines both of these narratives.

I also demonstrated the hypocrisy of the AE911T's basic position of calling for an investigation, but presenting the CONCLUSION that the WTC was destroyed by explosive controlled demolition. There certainly could have been engineered intervention to destroy the towers, but the AE911T case is extremely thin and circumstantial and has no data to support it. And the same circumstantial *evidence* is going to be presented at the Toronto Hearings as hard evidence of CD.

We know the NIST report was a cover up and clearly unscientific and produced what amounts to a great deception. That is not evidence of controlled demolition. What NIST did is evidence of incompetence, negligence, malfeasance or even criminal perhaps. But the fact that they got it wrong does not mean AE911T got it right nor Judy Wood, or Dimitri Khaselov.. or anyone.

You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts. Evidence is like fact and not opinion. Conclusions can be opinion if you cherry pick and create a conclusion to match only come *evidence*.

I suppose in the end you could say that presenting a scientific approach is disrupting those who have settled into a position which is not supported by science and data. They are lazy and would rather cling to their beliefs then find the truth.

The Toronto Hearings, will not present the evidence for ECD, and it may not even present the best evidence that NIST's work was incorrect... it will be an attempt to give more gravitas to the same set of ideas that these organizers have been harping on for several years. it's a marketing tool which will be packaged and literally *sold*.

If Toronto is what this group envisions a new investigation to be like, there is no chance that the world will ever learn what the truth is.

Jeffey Orling RA

[CuriousGeorge2]

... the AE911T case is extremely thin and circumstantial and has no data to support it.

Exhibit A: The 1500+ A&E's are wrong, he says. Sorry, I think it's far more likely that they're all in agreement b/c their facts are correct and, in actuality, you are just here to disrupt. Have a nice day.

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I was watching that movie 'Avatar' today with the blue people in it. Interesting. It's complete fiction, but, they make reference to a scenario with the following points:

• Blue people planet has a priceless, fictional ore called "unobtainium" (lol)
• The humans want it

There's no false flag event. The humans just go invade the planet with bulldozers and guns to take it. However, also:
• They (the humans) use propaganda to tell the human marine soldiers that the blue people are "terrorists"
• The blue people are simply fighting to save their own lives and homeland from the humans invading them for the ore
• The blue people are made out to be monsters to justify basically killing them all and stealing their land and resources

James Cameron wrote/directed the film. I wonder if such efforts ever help to reach/wake up/alert the public? I hope so. I guess I just mention this b/c while some people may find one kind of evidence harder to believe, they might find another easier. For example, I think it's a fact that the war in Afghanistan is unpopular here in the US. Thus, maybe people would be more open to hearing about the false premise on which the unpopular war was started?

Thank you, Pilots and friends, and happy 10th anniversary.

This post has been edited by CuriousGeorge2: Sep 10 2011, 04:20 PM

[SanderO]

George,

Perhaps you want to cite the actual data of the ECD case. As far as I can tell their evidence is based on observations and interpretation of them and I don't see much actual data. Some of the data they cite...such as: heavy steel girders were ejected at 70 mph to a 600' distance from the towers. That is a false statement.

Not all the statements are false. But statements such as symmetry being a fingerprint of ECD and not a natural collapse is not supportable. A natural collapse could appear symmetrical and I would argue in those building coming apart from top to bottom it is the predicted manner which the debris field distribution would take. Therefore symmetry cannot be used as evidence in support of ECD... that is speculation.

Jeffrey

[Craig Ranke CIT]

10 years of war and deception exposed:

(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/CIT/flyers/CITTorontoPoster.jpg)

Tonight!

[onesliceshort]

10 years of war and deception exposed:

(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/CIT/flyers/CITTorontoPoster.jpg)

Tonight!

Sweet. Good luck tonight man!

[Tamborine man]

Break a leg! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

Cheers

[CuriousGeorge2]

Break a leg! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

Cheers

Hope it was a smash success! Looking forward to the follow up articles/videos. Great looking poster, too!

[Craig Ranke CIT]

Sorry for taking so long with a report, but we were working so hard in the weeks leading up to the event that I really needed some time to just rest for a bit. I'll have more details for you later, but the event was a success with about 200 people in the audience, and (perhaps unfortunately) without a single detractor showing up to challenge us, despite our direct invitations.

Here are a few pics:

Some random person reading our poster a couple of days before the event:
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/CIT/toronto%202011/poster.jpg)

The marquee on the night of the event (yes I know they didn't have enough letters so it's missing an "e" in "deception"!):
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/CIT/toronto%202011/marquee.jpg)

People showing up:
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/CIT/toronto%202011/line.jpg)

The crowd still filling up before the event:

(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/CIT/toronto%202011/crowd21.jpg)

I can't thank Barrie Zwicker enough for all his hard work to make this happen!