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Duhbunkers try to explain ACARS and fail

Aldo Marquis CIT
post Dec 1 2011, 05:29 AM
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And of course, we see the obsessoids over at the govt loyalist cesspool scurrying, looking for and expecting an immediate explanation from the nameless faceless "experts". This individual can't even think or research for themself, they have to seek comfort in answers from the groupthink tank.


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wstutt
post Dec 14 2011, 01:12 AM
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Hi,

There is a file (1369kB PDF) that has been released under FOIA and that contains details of the ACARS messages to and from flights AAL11, UAL93 and AAL77.

Here is a screen shot of the file showing the message with ACARS message ID 0658 in the printout P4T have been working from and referenced as message #14 in the Michael J. Winter interview with the FBI that P4T has asserted was transmitted from the TOL RGS station. I have added highlights:
(IMG:http://www.warrenstutt.com/General%20Images/ARINC%20Message%20Screen%20Shot%202.jpg)

In the screen shot there are 3 blocks of information separated by blank lines. In the first line of each block there is a word which I have highlighted in red indicating the type of data in the block. The first block has the type ULMSG which is an ACARS message as received from the airline to be transmitted to the aircraft. The second block has the type ULBLK which is an ACARS message as transmitted to the aircraft. The third block has the type DLBLK which is an ACARS message as received from the aircraft.

In the first block we can see TOL which I have highlighted in blue which P4T has asserted is the RGS station through which the ACARS message was transmitted to the aircraft.

In the second and third blocks we can see PIT which I have highlighted in green and is the actual RGS station through which the ACARS message was transmitted to the aircraft in the second block and an ACARS message from the aircraft acknowledging receipt of the ACARS message from the airline was received from the aircraft in the third block.

Therefore despite the testimony of Ed Ballinger and Michael J. Winter, we can see that although the ACARS message from the airline was supposed to be transmitted through the TOL RGS station, it was actually transmitted through the PIT RGS station.

Also the file shows that there are no type DLBLK blocks and therefore no ACARS messages received from UAL93 after the official time of the crash.

Warren.
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- Aldo Marquis CIT   Duhbunkers try to explain ACARS and fail   Dec 1 2011, 05:29 AM
- - Aldo Marquis CIT   Of course one of the idiots chime in, without read...   Dec 1 2011, 02:50 PM
- - amazed!   This brings up a good question, and I'm wonder...   Dec 1 2011, 03:26 PM
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- - 911analyzer   Thanks again for bringing this information to ligh...   Dec 3 2011, 06:19 PM
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- - wstutt   Hi, There is a file (1369kB PDF) that has been re...   Dec 14 2011, 01:12 AM
|- - wstutt   I've just updated the image to also highlight ...   Dec 14 2011, 02:41 AM
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