Gage And Ryan Speaking At Farrakhan/nation Of Islam Conference This Weekend, causing discord among the ranks within AE
Gage And Ryan Speaking At Farrakhan/nation Of Islam Conference This Weekend, causing discord among the ranks within AE
Feb 22 2012, 02:24 AM
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This weekend, Gage and Ryan will be speaking to what is almost certainly the largest live audience they've ever spoken for. There should be roughly 3,000 people in attendance and about 20,000 watching on live stream. Many of these thousands are non-truthers, so this will definitely be a large audience.
Richard Gage, founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth told The Final Call he is looking forward to presenting the fact regarding 9/11 to those gathered.
“We’re excited to bring this information to a group of people who have already been primed for it by in this case the Minister,” said Mr. Gage. “He’s taken some very courageous stands for 9/11 truth and so we’re honored to come and speak to what I understand may be up to three thousand people at one time, which is about five times larger than any group of people we’ve ever spoken to. So we’re delighted that the information will get out all at once to that many people and live streaming as well to many times that many people.”
Despite the huge audience who will hear the message of evidence for controlled demolition, some people who work with Richard are upset enough with him to resign from the organization in protest. Now, to be fair to the upset ones: Farrakhan is seen by some as a man who uses divisive rhetoric. (A friend speculated to me in all seriousness that the reason he believes "they" haven't killed Farrakhan is because he's the perfect polarizing figure, far more so than the unifying nature of Malcolm X's character.)
In particular, Farrakhan blurs the line between responsible criticism of Israel/Zionism and ranting on about "the Satanic Jews" this and that.
So you can imagine how this has the self-anointed credibility cops' panties in a twist!
The former head of AE's verification team, Brian Romanoff (a.k.a. Nor Cal Truth @ 911blogger) has publicly denounced Richard and has made public his resignation from AE:
Richard and team are not sure they want to publicize the fact that they are going to be speaking at a Nation of Islam event a day before Louis FarraCON and a day after the discussion: “BUSINESS WARFARE: SECRET RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN BLACKS & JEWS”
Richard wants to think this is the event that will catapault the new investigation. I have not heard anything more ridiculous and contrary to the obvious, and yes I told him exactly that many times before leaving.
Who is FarraCON:
Those "Satanic Jews have taken over BET..."
"Jews manage black... artists." Jews own media, blacks only succeed with Jew help.
Whites "don't deserve any mercy....no sympathy!" "We and white people are mortal enemies"
Remember it was NOI members that killed Malcolm X after Louis said Malcolm was "worthy of death":
Louis FarraCON prasied the death of Malcolm X and defended the actions of NOI, "I'll kill ya":
(Malcolms daughter later tried to have Louis killed for his direct involvment in her father's killing)
After watching too many films of this guy, I feel like I was just at a Hitler rally.
Sorry Richard and my former teammembers @ ae911truth.org - but this is so stupid and irresponsible of you.
Romanoff's post was the first public posting about this event and the subsequent fallout by a truther, but I heard through the grapevine about it prior to anything being made public about it (Screw Lucy covered it prior to Romanoff's comment). I should probably leave it up to the other individuals who resigned to name themselves, though I've been made aware of who they are. Let's put it this way: at least two very well known members of the CD wing of the movement have left AE over this, resulting in an unprecedented schism between Richard/Kevin and other known demolitions advocates.
My own thoughts:
Usually when Richard gives his Blueprint lecture, it's in a college auditorium with maybe 150-200 people, 300 at most. In many vids I've seen of these, when Richard asks for the show of hands at the beginning, a good majority of the audience are already among the converted. So while Gage's speaking circuit might be a good morale booster for the troops, the audience he is reaching is limited. With the NOI conference he'll reach a brand new audience. Gage loves to recall how he was listening on the radio to a Griffin speech in the car, and he had to pull off the road, upon hearing DRG speak of the CD evidence. He says he felt like he was "hit by a two-by-four."
Imagine how many brand new people will hear this evidence and will feel like they've been hit by a two-by-four. Let's face it folks, it's no secret that the 9/11 truth movement's vitality has been hanging by a thread; we need some new fire, blood, troops, news- and blog sites on our side.
The 911blogger user "Simple Truths" posted what I felt was an excellent and sobering comment alluding to Nelson Mandela, in response to the outcry by the cred cops surrounding Richard:
Nelson Mandela went to speak to white racists ...
... and members of his African National Congress party were shocked that he was going to go into the heartland of white supremacy in a racist enclave. They asked him not to. They decried him. But Mandela quietly insisted even though his followers thought he would be tainted by talking at a white racist venue in Oranje - seen to be fraternising and entertaining 'the evil enemy'.
Mandela was smeared by some, Yes, I'm sure someone asked (even rhetorically): Do we need to 'babysit Mandela'?
But Mandela went to Oranje. He stood up and spoke, even though white racists had spoken on racial purity there the day before.
Mandela sat down and had a cup of tea with the wife of the architect of apartheid, Verwoerd.
Mandela spoke with quiet, fact-based rationality to a bunch of white racists.
Perhaps his instincts led him to do this. Perhaps Mandela changed two or three hearts that day. Perhaps Mandela helped avoid the bloodbath everyone predicted for South Africa?
A lot of ugly Islamophobia and anti-Semitism has emerged from USA over the last decade. (Remembers Arabs are Semitic people so the word anti-semitic applies to the Muslim situation too).
Perhaps Gage has a deeper instinct to reach out in rationality and fact-based discussion to this NOI group?
By far the best comment I've seen at that infiltrated site in a long time, and I definitely am not impressed by the counter-argument in response.
So what do other people in the truth community think about this?
This post has been edited by A. Syed: Feb 22 2012, 03:58 AM
Mar 1 2012, 10:06 AM
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I realize some of my posts are long. But I so is the Blueprint for truth *thesis* long. My own thesis is EVOLVING. Here is where I am at now with the twins:
1. The destruction was the result of MULTIPLE factors. Those factors added up to the core being fatally damaged at the plane impact zone.
Plane strikes destroy and damage both facade AND core columns.
The loads supported by the destroyed columns were redistributed to the undamaged columns.
Heat from fuel and building contents burned and raised the temps of the structural steel. That steel grew weaker as it got hotter.
We don't know if fires were able to weaken the steel in the time of the burn. If not ADDITIONAL factors would be required and this could include: pre-placed explosives, pre-placed incendiaries. Note this may not require detonation sequence as the fires from the plane strikes could ignite them. THIS NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED.
The Factor of Safety was key to how long the core and facade could remain with lost columns. The FOS or reserve strength is lost as the columns lose strength from heat.
The core columns buckle and the floors above have no axial support and descend. Buckling leads to some lateral displacement as the tops descend (WTC 2 core failure began at the SE corner and propagated NW causing the SE side of the top of the building to tip SE as it fell. The top of WTC tipped about 1 deg and translated to the SE enough for the upper and lower facade columns to by pass each other as the tops came down.
The descending tops in both towers mass (floors, contents, walls etc.) to crash down on the floors they tell upon. This represented tens of thousands of tons of materials. This over whelmed to typical floors which shattered and a progressive top down collapse of all the floors ensued.
The collapsing floor mass forced the 18,000 cubic yards of air from each floor outward it descended upon. The 18,000 cu of air was forced out in about one tenth of a second and reached speeds of over 400 mph destroying everything ON each floor, and carrying it through the windows which could not contain the over pressure. Most of the ejected seen was the result of this over pressure.
The collapsing floors were the bracing for the facade. With the bracing lost as the floors shattered the facade grew increasingly unstable. The facade was like a cage trying to contain the growing floor mass which was exerting an outward pressure (lateral force) along with the air pressure. The facade broke off at its weakest points - the spandrel to spandrel connections and the column to column connections which were only BOLTED (except at the mech floors which were also welded). The facade "peeled* off and *burst* outward.. landing up to 440 feet or so.
The collapse floor mass stripped the core of much of its bracing as well. It survived the floor collapse for a few seconds and its columns too were too tall and thin and unstable (the *spire*) and collapsed as well. Both cores had columns as tall as 50 stories survive the floor collapse with col 501 in wtc 1 standing to floor 78 before buckling. Columns which are too slender will self buckle as described by Euler. All the core columns except those at the impact zone which buckled from heat and mechanic destruction were found in the debris full length with no evidence of explosive damage or heat damage. All columns broke apart at their connections and were damage in the fall from as high as 1,300+ feet.
Parts of the facade stood in both towers at the conclusion reaching as tall as more than 15 stories. Several core columns were still standing poking through the rubble.
The no stone aggregate lightweight concrete and contents were crushed by the enormous weight of the descending mass... which was a mechanical process which produced enormous hear from friction. This heat along with the column of air from the collapse caused the dust and light particles to billow up and away in enormous clouds propagating from the collapses.
The debris was very hot and acted as an immense thermal mass. The hottest areas were at the bottom of the debris pile and insulated by the mass above. It is possible that anaerobic exothermic reaction such as thermite, were started and or continued at the very bottom of the debris piles.
The above does not preclude devices placed to assist the initiation (buckling of the core at the impact zones) or even additional fuel or devices delivered by the planes themselves. WE DON'T KNOW. Therefore more investigation is required.
Building 7 appears to have also had a core core collapse. This likely was associated with the unorthodox structure of the lower part of the tower (7 stories) which had to support many of the core and the perimeter columns on the north side on transfer trusses and cantilever girders because it was build over the Con Ed sub station.
Con Ed reported at it lost 13 VK feeders at the moment of the plane strike to tower 1. This likely caused large transformers in the tower 1 and bldg 7 to over heat / fail release insulating oil which broke down into explosive gas which ignited ans was witness as explosions by Jennings and others. Rodriguez also experienced an explosion at the moment of plane impact but the sound through the air was delayed by 1 second and so he heard the sub basement transformer explosion first (by a second).
Sprinklers in bldg 1 lost water as the main electrical system was lost. Back up gen sets kicked in and began pumping diesel up to the day tanks on mech floors on 5 and 7 where the transfer trusses and cantilever girders were located. It possible that that the transformer gas explosions breached the pipes and ignited the diesel which was being pumped up from the basement. This essentially could have cooked the transfer trusses and cantilever girders all day until they lost their reserve strength and buckled. The core above lost support at the 8th floor and came crashing down on top of the sub station destroying the entire structure below floor 8.
The facade without support then dropped at free fall for 100 feet (8 stories) before meeting the resistance of the ground and decelerated.
WE DON'T KNOW if there were placed devices on floors 5-7 in the mech floors or even in the sub station to kick off the "weakening" of transfer trusses and cantilever girders. THAT HAS TO BE INVESTIGATED and is a distinct possibility.
I realize that Maturin42 and others in the truth movement do not understand the technical aspects of a progressive floor collapse. The engineering community is equally derelict in their understanding. However, there are peer reviewed technical papers in the literature which detail a progressive floor collapse as the mechanism for destroying a high rise.
Bldg 7 was very much like a standard CD in appearance because the failure of the structure was below the 8th floor. The twin towers resembled a standard CD at the level of the plane impacts (collapse of the top sections). The collapsed top section then destroyed the floor system and the structural facade and the core without bracing succumbed.
Both cases... collapses in WTC 1&2 and Bldg 7 were possible because of bizarre structural designs. The falling debris onto bldg 7 and the fires they caused likely had little or nothing to do with the failure of the transfer trusses and cantilever girders which led to the collapse. The sagging trusses in WTC 1&2 has nothing to do with the core collapses at the impact zones which led to the tops dropping and the progressive collapse of all floors below. NIST and FEMA got it wrong.
All the evidence MUST be accounted for including the iron micro spheres. I am not a chemist nor a fire scientist/expert for steel framed building collapses, but I suspect that explanations can be found. THIS NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED. The red gray chips needs to to be further investigated as well. The work on Harrit et al needs to be repeated or discredited. Their work raises the specter of placed devices.
We know some things about the collapses. But we don't know all things.
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