Gage And Ryan Speaking At Farrakhan/nation Of Islam Conference This Weekend, causing discord among the ranks within AE Options

[A. Syed]

This weekend, Gage and Ryan will be speaking to what is almost certainly the largest live audience they've ever spoken for. There should be roughly 3,000 people in attendance and about 20,000 watching on live stream. Many of these thousands are non-truthers, so this will definitely be a large audience.

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Na...icle_8611.shtml

Richard Gage, founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth told The Final Call he is looking forward to presenting the fact regarding 9/11 to those gathered.

“We’re excited to bring this information to a group of people who have already been primed for it by in this case the Minister,” said Mr. Gage. “He’s taken some very courageous stands for 9/11 truth and so we’re honored to come and speak to what I understand may be up to three thousand people at one time, which is about five times larger than any group of people we’ve ever spoken to. So we’re delighted that the information will get out all at once to that many people and live streaming as well to many times that many people.”

Despite the huge audience who will hear the message of evidence for controlled demolition, some people who work with Richard are upset enough with him to resign from the organization in protest. Now, to be fair to the upset ones: Farrakhan is seen by some as a man who uses divisive rhetoric. (A friend speculated to me in all seriousness that the reason he believes "they" haven't killed Farrakhan is because he's the perfect polarizing figure, far more so than the unifying nature of Malcolm X's character.)

In particular, Farrakhan blurs the line between responsible criticism of Israel/Zionism and ranting on about "the Satanic Jews" this and that.

So you can imagine how this has the self-anointed credibility cops' panties in a twist!

The former head of AE's verification team, Brian Romanoff (a.k.a. Nor Cal Truth @ 911blogger) has publicly denounced Richard and has made public his resignation from AE:

Richard and team are not sure they want to publicize the fact that they are going to be speaking at a Nation of Islam event a day before Louis FarraCON and a day after the discussion: “BUSINESS WARFARE: SECRET RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN BLACKS & JEWS”

http://www.noi.org/sd2012/schedule.shtml

Richard wants to think this is the event that will catapault the new investigation. I have not heard anything more ridiculous and contrary to the obvious, and yes I told him exactly that many times before leaving.

Who is FarraCON:

Those "Satanic Jews have taken over BET..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K75EPrtBz4

"Jews manage black... artists." Jews own media, blacks only succeed with Jew help.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiQG23S2cZ4...feature=related

Whites "don't deserve any mercy....no sympathy!" "We and white people are mortal enemies"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSfZYqCOih8...feature=related

Remember it was NOI members that killed Malcolm X after Louis said Malcolm was "worthy of death":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=Ef...ature=endscreen

Louis FarraCON prasied the death of Malcolm X and defended the actions of NOI, "I'll kill ya":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HFwinVw4wQ

(Malcolms daughter later tried to have Louis killed for his direct involvment in her father's killing)
http://books.google.com/books?id=Oj0DAAAAM...onepage&q...

After watching too many films of this guy, I feel like I was just at a Hitler rally.

Sorry Richard and my former teammembers @ ae911truth.org - but this is so stupid and irresponsible of you.

Romanoff's post was the first public posting about this event and the subsequent fallout by a truther, but I heard through the grapevine about it prior to anything being made public about it (Screw Lucy covered it prior to Romanoff's comment). I should probably leave it up to the other individuals who resigned to name themselves, though I've been made aware of who they are. Let's put it this way: at least two very well known members of the CD wing of the movement have left AE over this, resulting in an unprecedented schism between Richard/Kevin and other known demolitions advocates.

My own thoughts:

Usually when Richard gives his Blueprint lecture, it's in a college auditorium with maybe 150-200 people, 300 at most. In many vids I've seen of these, when Richard asks for the show of hands at the beginning, a good majority of the audience are already among the converted. So while Gage's speaking circuit might be a good morale booster for the troops, the audience he is reaching is limited. With the NOI conference he'll reach a brand new audience. Gage loves to recall how he was listening on the radio to a Griffin speech in the car, and he had to pull off the road, upon hearing DRG speak of the CD evidence. He says he felt like he was "hit by a two-by-four."

Imagine how many brand new people will hear this evidence and will feel like they've been hit by a two-by-four. Let's face it folks, it's no secret that the 9/11 truth movement's vitality has been hanging by a thread; we need some new fire, blood, troops, news- and blog sites on our side.

The 911blogger user "Simple Truths" posted what I felt was an excellent and sobering comment alluding to Nelson Mandela, in response to the outcry by the cred cops surrounding Richard:

Nelson Mandela went to speak to white racists ...
... and members of his African National Congress party were shocked that he was going to go into the heartland of white supremacy in a racist enclave. They asked him not to. They decried him. But Mandela quietly insisted even though his followers thought he would be tainted by talking at a white racist venue in Oranje - seen to be fraternising and entertaining 'the evil enemy'.

Mandela was smeared by some, Yes, I'm sure someone asked (even rhetorically): Do we need to 'babysit Mandela'?

But Mandela went to Oranje. He stood up and spoke, even though white racists had spoken on racial purity there the day before.

Mandela sat down and had a cup of tea with the wife of the architect of apartheid, Verwoerd.

Mandela spoke with quiet, fact-based rationality to a bunch of white racists.

Perhaps his instincts led him to do this. Perhaps Mandela changed two or three hearts that day. Perhaps Mandela helped avoid the bloodbath everyone predicted for South Africa?

A lot of ugly Islamophobia and anti-Semitism has emerged from USA over the last decade. (Remembers Arabs are Semitic people so the word anti-semitic applies to the Muslim situation too).

Perhaps Gage has a deeper instinct to reach out in rationality and fact-based discussion to this NOI group?

By far the best comment I've seen at that infiltrated site in a long time, and I definitely am not impressed by the counter-argument in response.

So what do other people in the truth community think about this?

This post has been edited by A. Syed: Feb 22 2012, 03:58 AM

[SanderO]

Gents,
First I am not an agent of anyone or organization. I am, and have always been an independent and free thinker. As such towing the party line at AE911T was not something which fits my character. I won't repeat or go into the details about my work with and expulsion from AE911T. Anyone who is interested in more detail can PM me and I can send them more material to read. I've moved on and have been doing my own research.

I am not alone in my theories and understanding about the destruction of the 3 towers. I am in the PROCESS of understanding and each day I work on the *problems* I come a bit closer and have to revise my understanding.

My research indicates that we CANNOT RULE OUT EXPLOSIVES OR INCENDIARIES INVOLVED IN THE INITIATION of all three collapses.

However it must be noted that in ALL CDs gravity is expected to do MOST OF THE DESTRUCTION. And so it was with these buildings. In a CD the top mass is *freed* from the columns which support it and comes crashing down. If you were to drop a building from 15 feet to solid ground it would do exactly what a CD does... crush itself from the bottom up as it drops to the ground. That's what happened with bldg 7... and it likely originated at the 6th and 7th floors where the transfer trusses and cantilever girders were which SUPPORTED columns (core and north facade) above. Fail to transfer trusses and the cantilever girders and the tops drop.

The twins were different. They had a *CD* type collapse but originated at the plane impact zone. The huge mass of 16 stories in the case of the north tower and 32 stories in the case of south tower were enough to crush and crash through the lower stories in both towers. The only buckled columns were at the impact zones... The rest of the columns broke apart at their connections... fell and were mangled upon hitting terra ferma. Many toppled over with little damage. The collapse of the twins was a FLOOR collapse below the plane impact zone. The core survived to the 50th floor in both towers and then toppled from instability without bracing.

The problem with AE911T's theory, mini nukes and DEWs is that MOST of the steel ie all the steel BELOW THE PLANE STRIKE zones shows only mechanical damage from dropping ... not from explosives, cutting etc. There IS NO EVIDENCE OF STEEL BEING BURNED OR EXPLODED from BELOW the IMPACT ZONES. If there is.. please show some pics. Judy Wood claims the steel was *dustified*... but it was there on the ground... and hauled off and sold for scrap. She's wrong.

Mini nukes? There were MANY core and facade columns standing AFTER the collapse. How could the a mini nuke shatter only the area at the plane impact AND cause bucking of the columns at THAT level unless there was some MECHANISM for over loading the columns?

Buckling at the impact zone was the result of having SOME columns destroyed at the impact zone... and the remaining ones were then overwhelmed (over time as a result of multiple factors)... and they then buckled.

It's the multiple factors which needs to be looked at. They include:

plane damage to the core columns
heat weakening to the core columns
explosives placed at the core columns
incendiaries placed at the core columns
pre weakening (cutting or removal of bolts at column splices)
determination of the Factor of Safety

at the impact zone.

This is what the visual record AND, engineering and physics tells us. Gage is in denial. Or he doesn't understand the buildings. Woods is intellectually dishonest about the steel.

[LevelDsimTech]

However it must be noted that in ALL CDs gravity is expected to do MOST OF THE DESTRUCTION. And so it was with these buildings. In a CD the top mass is *freed* from the columns which support it and comes crashing down. If you were to drop a building from 15 feet to solid ground it would do exactly what a CD does... crush itself from the bottom up as it drops to the ground.

I've been following this forum due to my career in avionics, and find many items to be factual, but this is pure BS. I can understand why you were removed from AE911 now.

Have a look at this video and tell me how many of the failed demolitions "crushed" themselves from gravity alone. You should start at the 1:20 mark:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wwDF58Hw9M...feature=related

This post has been edited by LevelDsimTech: Mar 1 2012, 05:03 PM