Wtc Misrepresentations: New Book, Requesting Feedback |

May 17 2012, 01:20 PM
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Group: Student Forum Pilot Posts: 16 Joined: 3-May 12 Member No.: 6,812 |
I am a new poster here. Hello to all participants and readers
This is the draft version of a book on the WTC collapses: Introduction 1: Science vs Subjective Viewpoints 2: WTC Collapses Misrepresented ....2.1: Progressive Floor Collapse in the WTC Towers ....2.2: Purpose of the NIST Reports ....2.3: NIST WTC1 Misrepresentation ....2.4: NIST WTC7 Misrepresentation ....2.5: NIST WTC2 Misrepresentation ....2.6: Bazant Misrepresentation of Collapse Progression ....2.7: Block Mechanics ....2.8: AE911T Misrepresentations of the Collapses 3: Toward Accurate Collapse Histories 4: Reassessing the Question of Demolition 5: Collapses Misrepresented as a False Choice 6: Testing the Thesis for Validity Author's Conclusions The same table of contents is on my website, second menu down, here. Thank you for any questions or feedback to help improve the book. |
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May 19 2012, 08:37 AM
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Group: Valued Member Posts: 3,773 Joined: 14-December 06 From: Fort Pierce, FL Member No.: 331 |
....so then, it's speculation all 'round
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May 19 2012, 12:13 PM
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Group: Valued Member Posts: 2,064 Joined: 30-January 09 Member No.: 4,095 |
....so then, it's speculation all 'round (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) What "disturbs" me SanderO is that you make baseless claims yet label those who question your speculation as "koolaid" drinkers. And you keep insinuating that I'm somehow defending NIST's conclusions when in actual fact, the "office fires" crap is the only inroad to extracting more withheld evidence and/or raising awareness that we've been monumentally lied to. The very same withheld evidence that has left well intentioned individuals such as Tom and Femr2 stumped as to how all three towers fell without external factors, given the observables. I've never pinned my colours to CD in the conventional meaning of the term. I don't pigeonhole multiple witness visual, aural and physical testimonies to explosions and I do accept that there were vehicles and other combustibles exploding (even the holy grail transformers), but you on the other hand refuse to accept even the possibility that they were manmade events. I don't accept that "office fires" (the lack of which there is visual evidence of) brought down WTC7. You on the other hand make empty claims about "diesel fuel fires" which not only is there no visual evidence for bar black smoke seen in the last hour before WTC7 fell, or that visual evidence or ConEd contradicts, but that the FDNY lends weight to. What I definitely don't accept is your hypocritical stance in that both NIST and AE911Truth are wrong and that you are somehow trying to find the "middle ground", when anything you've ever uttered on this forum has been in favour of the OCT (even going beyond it as per WTC7). That the conclusions and calculations of NIST are wrong from an architectural standpoint. That they were indeed "gravity driven collapses", just that NIST "got it wrong". Did you read the link to "NIST WTC7 misrepresentation" in the OP? |
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May 19 2012, 10:58 PM
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Group: Extreme Forum Pilot Posts: 2,589 Joined: 31-December 07 From: Maui Member No.: 2,617 |
You on the other hand make empty claims about "diesel fuel fires" which not only is there no visual evidence for bar black smoke seen in the last hour before WTC7 fell, or that visual evidence or ConEd contradicts, but that the FDNY lends weight to. OSS, I see the “John” has moved to a new page. A fellow forum member and I have put together a more comprehensive program which has data to back it up. There were Zero fuel fires in WTC7. No one can show that there were! I am currently reading new [original] files now. The results, most likely will end up on my website. elreb |
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May 20 2012, 07:02 AM
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Group: Valued Member Posts: 2,064 Joined: 30-January 09 Member No.: 4,095 |
OSS, I see the “John” has moved to a new page. A fellow forum member and I have put together a more comprehensive program which has data to back it up. There were Zero fuel fires in WTC7. No one can show that there were! I am currently reading new [original] files now. The results, most likely will end up on my website. elreb Looking forward to seeing it! I've been doing a bit myself on the fire and smoke sources. The "John" lol. |
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MajorTom Wtc Misrepresentations: New Book, Requesting Feedback May 17 2012, 01:20 PM
amazed! I am not qualified to judge the technical stuff re... May 18 2012, 10:38 AM
SanderO Tom is one of the finest researchers who has looke... May 18 2012, 11:27 AM
onesliceshort Welcome Major Tom.
I've been a lurker at Femr... May 18 2012, 11:06 PM
SanderO OSS,
My hypothesis is not void of evidence... it ... May 19 2012, 07:05 AM
SanderO I am not trying to find a middle ground. I am hop... May 19 2012, 08:58 PM
onesliceshort From Major Tom' book..
QUOTE These waves of c... May 20 2012, 12:09 PM
onesliceshort Double post. May 20 2012, 12:10 PM
SanderO I suppose one can calculate how much explosives it... May 20 2012, 02:50 PM
elreb QUOTE (SanderO @ May 20 2012, 08:50 AM) I... May 20 2012, 04:43 PM
MajorTom OSS, consider the Chandler "race with gravity... May 20 2012, 03:40 PM
MajorTom From a demo point of view, it seems important to r... May 20 2012, 03:54 PM
amazed! QUOTE (MajorTom @ May 20 2012, 03:54 PM) ... May 21 2012, 09:08 AM
MajorTom Or, consider the image from the Anders Borkman we... May 20 2012, 04:13 PM
SanderO Elreb,
Thermate is heat producing and not explosi... May 20 2012, 08:03 PM
elreb QUOTE (SanderO @ May 20 2012, 02:03 PM) T... May 20 2012, 10:17 PM
onesliceshort Hi Tom
QUOTE Now, if one can sustain floor collap... May 20 2012, 11:35 PM
SanderO QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 20 2012, 11:35... May 21 2012, 07:52 AM
MajorTom It is a highly complex set of events. Another imp... May 21 2012, 12:07 AM
SanderO I've maintained that there is a complete (almo... May 21 2012, 08:07 AM
SanderO Amazed,
Don't beat up on yourself. 99.9999% o... May 21 2012, 10:31 AM
onesliceshort QUOTE (SanderO @ May 21 2012, 12:52 PM) O... May 21 2012, 12:28 PM
elreb QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 21 2012, 06:28... May 21 2012, 02:36 PM
onesliceshort I'm not going to dignify that irrelevant rant ... May 21 2012, 03:34 PM
SanderO OSS,
You have no idea of the *work* or research I... May 21 2012, 07:21 PM
MajorTom QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 21 2012, 12:28... May 23 2012, 12:06 AM
MajorTom SanderO writes:
QUOTE I am not the enemy and I am... May 23 2012, 12:14 AM
elreb QUOTE (MajorTom @ May 22 2012, 06:14 PM) ... May 23 2012, 01:36 AM
onesliceshort QUOTE (MajorTom @ May 23 2012, 05:14 AM) ... May 23 2012, 06:14 PM
MajorTom SanderO:
QUOTE There is no certain evidence of CD ... May 23 2012, 12:32 AM
amazed! SanderO
Oh, I'm not beating myself up regardi... May 23 2012, 10:28 AM
SanderO Amazed... think of the *problem* like this for exa... May 23 2012, 11:42 AM
amazed! QUOTE (SanderO @ May 23 2012, 11:42 AM) A... May 24 2012, 03:16 PM
elreb QUOTE (amazed! @ May 24 2012, 09:16 A... May 24 2012, 03:53 PM
amazed! QUOTE (elreb @ May 24 2012, 03:53 PM) Ama... May 25 2012, 03:31 PM
elreb QUOTE (amazed! @ May 25 2012, 09:31 A... May 25 2012, 04:46 PM
SanderO OSS,
I am neither playing a victim nor feel like ... May 23 2012, 08:14 PM
Tamborine man It is in this video one will find the true answers... May 23 2012, 10:03 PM
Tamborine man And i can't see any harm in now and then re-visiti... May 23 2012, 10:29 PM
MajorTom Another glimpse of that knuckle
What are we to ... May 24 2012, 11:58 AM
Tamborine man QUOTE (MajorTom @ May 22 2012, 02:58 PM) ... May 24 2012, 11:45 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE (MajorTom @ May 24 2012, 04:58 PM) ... May 26 2012, 06:33 PM
SanderO QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 26 2012, 06:33... May 27 2012, 07:03 PM
MajorTom There has only been one attempt to measure the ear... May 24 2012, 12:08 PM
MajorTom There has only been one attempt to measure the ear... May 24 2012, 12:10 PM
SanderO The spire columns came down from Euler buckling.
... May 25 2012, 07:53 AM
KP50 I always find the best starting point for 9/11 is ... May 25 2012, 10:47 PM
elreb I have always been a team player.
He is still wel... May 25 2012, 11:00 PM
SanderO I am on no one's side Elreb. I am interested ... May 26 2012, 12:41 AM
elreb QUOTE (SanderO @ May 25 2012, 06:41 PM) I... May 26 2012, 01:17 AM
SanderO Elreb,
Asking questions is what is needed. I have... May 26 2012, 08:52 AM
amazed! Thanks Elreb--now I see what you're saying.
I... May 26 2012, 10:52 AM
onesliceshort QUOTE (SanderO)Proposing a theory is fine... and t... May 26 2012, 06:02 PM
onesliceshort Just thought I'd add a few images I came acros... May 26 2012, 07:09 PM
paranoia my take on the oft-called "spire": they ... May 27 2012, 02:55 AM
onesliceshort Definitely weird mate.
Here's another image (... May 27 2012, 05:25 PM
elreb QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 27 2012, 11:25... May 27 2012, 06:43 PM

onesliceshort QUOTE (elreb @ May 27 2012, 11:43 PM) You... May 27 2012, 06:57 PM

SanderO QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 27 2012, 06:57... May 27 2012, 07:06 PM

elreb QUOTE (SanderO @ May 27 2012, 01:06 PM) N... May 27 2012, 07:27 PM

onesliceshort QUOTE (elreb @ May 28 2012, 12:27 AM) I a... May 28 2012, 07:12 AM
paranoia QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 27 2012, 05:25... May 28 2012, 07:35 AM
SanderO Paranoia,
I have many slides explaining aspects o... May 28 2012, 08:15 AM
onesliceshort QUOTE (SamderO)..then push down on the top
That e... May 28 2012, 09:20 AM
SanderO If you follow the link I posted you will find my s... May 28 2012, 10:39 AM
amazed! In the spirit of Aristotle comment that it is the ... May 28 2012, 11:06 AM
kawika I don't understand how any conclusion can be m... May 28 2012, 11:08 AM
elreb QUOTE (kawika @ May 28 2012, 05:08 AM) If... May 28 2012, 01:37 PM
onesliceshort SanderO, those calculations and the Purdue lecture... May 28 2012, 11:32 AM
onesliceshort QUOTE (Kawika)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zsp0... May 28 2012, 03:14 PM
SanderO The collapse of the floors stripped the core colum... May 28 2012, 03:34 PM
onesliceshort Back on topic..
There's an excellent thread o... May 28 2012, 05:27 PM
SanderO The key to understand the Euler buckling is that t... May 28 2012, 06:20 PM
KP50 Hi all,
I've attempted to move all WTC7 discu... May 30 2012, 10:53 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE (KP50 @ May 31 2012, 03:53 AM) Hi a... May 30 2012, 11:18 PM
Tamborine man Sorry to say, but what we see in any of the video ... May 31 2012, 11:50 PM
MajorTom Paranoia: "edit: not that im saying its not ... Jun 7 2012, 07:13 AM
MajorTom I asked him to reconsider the inclusion of this ph... Jun 7 2012, 07:23 AM
MajorTom Within the images of all the columns, I have never... Jun 7 2012, 07:35 AM
SanderO In the first picture of the diagonal cut... the co... Jun 7 2012, 12:05 PM
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