Wtc Misrepresentations: New Book, Requesting Feedback |

May 17 2012, 01:20 PM
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I am a new poster here. Hello to all participants and readers
This is the draft version of a book on the WTC collapses: Introduction 1: Science vs Subjective Viewpoints 2: WTC Collapses Misrepresented ....2.1: Progressive Floor Collapse in the WTC Towers ....2.2: Purpose of the NIST Reports ....2.3: NIST WTC1 Misrepresentation ....2.4: NIST WTC7 Misrepresentation ....2.5: NIST WTC2 Misrepresentation ....2.6: Bazant Misrepresentation of Collapse Progression ....2.7: Block Mechanics ....2.8: AE911T Misrepresentations of the Collapses 3: Toward Accurate Collapse Histories 4: Reassessing the Question of Demolition 5: Collapses Misrepresented as a False Choice 6: Testing the Thesis for Validity Author's Conclusions The same table of contents is on my website, second menu down, here. Thank you for any questions or feedback to help improve the book. |
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May 28 2012, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE (SamderO) ..then push down on the top That experiment would have nothing to do with what we observe happening to the spire (well, I know what you're saying given the difference in materials but there's a major difference between a fragile, glued structure and welded cold steel). There is no "load". Just the upper weight of the structure itself. And if it did simply fall, for whatever reason, are you saying that a welded steel structure would break apart? That's why I was asking if there were any images of the structure in the debris pile. 1. It was last to fall so should be more or less identifiable on top of the debris pile. 2. I'm not presuming that the entire structure would have survived but major portions, no? Again, it was last to fall. No crushing weight to destroy it. 3. Notice what is necessary in Euler buckling experiments and what isn't available to apply to the fall of the spire? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...uckledmodel.JPG From this paper on Euler buckling experimentation: http://happevanrijn.com/producten/item/download/755.html QUOTE "In stability theory, the four cases of Euler buckling represent the elastic flexural buckling of straight bars. Above a specific load - the buckling load - a loss of stability occurs and the bar increasingly changes shape. The axis of the bar is deflected laterally. Euler describes four cases for the buckling of an elastic bar with central application of compressive force and various methods of support. WP 121 demonstrates the four cases of Euler buckling. Depending on the end conditions, different weight loads are required until the buckling load is reached and the axes of the bars are laterally deflected. The buckling length is clearly visible against the white backing wall with the grid patterning." You're also presuming that the lower, what, 30 storys, were as (relatively) narrow as the visible upper structure. You can't make solid statements without all of the data. Euler buckling also wouldn't necessarily apply given the solid, box like lattice nature of the structure. The two long columns either side are not fixed and do "wobble" but the steel lattice? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWBBEtA5bI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqSLIPwZ430 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW82nyrSOCQ The dust trail shows that it wasn't Euler buckling. The two long columns fall sideways but the lattice structure falls through itself (more or less). (IMG:http://archive.org/download/GregSemendinger_gjs-wtc030/GregSemendinger_gjs-wtc030.jpg) Whatever was left of the lower half of the spire was pulled away en bloque to allow for the observations. Thanks for the description of what the spire actually is, by the way. Edit: having looked at the videos I'm not 100% on the last image posted being the dust trail. This post has been edited by onesliceshort: May 28 2012, 09:28 AM |
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MajorTom Wtc Misrepresentations: New Book, Requesting Feedback May 17 2012, 01:20 PM
amazed! I am not qualified to judge the technical stuff re... May 18 2012, 10:38 AM
SanderO Tom is one of the finest researchers who has looke... May 18 2012, 11:27 AM
onesliceshort Welcome Major Tom.
I've been a lurker at Femr... May 18 2012, 11:06 PM
SanderO OSS,
My hypothesis is not void of evidence... it ... May 19 2012, 07:05 AM
amazed! ....so then, it's speculation all 'round May 19 2012, 08:37 AM
onesliceshort QUOTE (amazed! @ May 19 2012, 01:37 P... May 19 2012, 12:13 PM
elreb QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 19 2012, 06:13... May 19 2012, 10:58 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE (elreb @ May 20 2012, 03:58 AM) OSS... May 20 2012, 07:02 AM
SanderO I am not trying to find a middle ground. I am hop... May 19 2012, 08:58 PM
onesliceshort From Major Tom' book..
QUOTE These waves of c... May 20 2012, 12:09 PM
onesliceshort Double post. May 20 2012, 12:10 PM
SanderO I suppose one can calculate how much explosives it... May 20 2012, 02:50 PM
elreb QUOTE (SanderO @ May 20 2012, 08:50 AM) I... May 20 2012, 04:43 PM
MajorTom OSS, consider the Chandler "race with gravity... May 20 2012, 03:40 PM
MajorTom From a demo point of view, it seems important to r... May 20 2012, 03:54 PM
amazed! QUOTE (MajorTom @ May 20 2012, 03:54 PM) ... May 21 2012, 09:08 AM
MajorTom Or, consider the image from the Anders Borkman we... May 20 2012, 04:13 PM
SanderO Elreb,
Thermate is heat producing and not explosi... May 20 2012, 08:03 PM
elreb QUOTE (SanderO @ May 20 2012, 02:03 PM) T... May 20 2012, 10:17 PM
onesliceshort Hi Tom
QUOTE Now, if one can sustain floor collap... May 20 2012, 11:35 PM
SanderO QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 20 2012, 11:35... May 21 2012, 07:52 AM
MajorTom It is a highly complex set of events. Another imp... May 21 2012, 12:07 AM
SanderO I've maintained that there is a complete (almo... May 21 2012, 08:07 AM
SanderO Amazed,
Don't beat up on yourself. 99.9999% o... May 21 2012, 10:31 AM
onesliceshort QUOTE (SanderO @ May 21 2012, 12:52 PM) O... May 21 2012, 12:28 PM
elreb QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 21 2012, 06:28... May 21 2012, 02:36 PM
onesliceshort I'm not going to dignify that irrelevant rant ... May 21 2012, 03:34 PM
SanderO OSS,
You have no idea of the *work* or research I... May 21 2012, 07:21 PM
MajorTom QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 21 2012, 12:28... May 23 2012, 12:06 AM
MajorTom SanderO writes:
QUOTE I am not the enemy and I am... May 23 2012, 12:14 AM
elreb QUOTE (MajorTom @ May 22 2012, 06:14 PM) ... May 23 2012, 01:36 AM
onesliceshort QUOTE (MajorTom @ May 23 2012, 05:14 AM) ... May 23 2012, 06:14 PM
MajorTom SanderO:
QUOTE There is no certain evidence of CD ... May 23 2012, 12:32 AM
amazed! SanderO
Oh, I'm not beating myself up regardi... May 23 2012, 10:28 AM
SanderO Amazed... think of the *problem* like this for exa... May 23 2012, 11:42 AM
amazed! QUOTE (SanderO @ May 23 2012, 11:42 AM) A... May 24 2012, 03:16 PM
elreb QUOTE (amazed! @ May 24 2012, 09:16 A... May 24 2012, 03:53 PM
amazed! QUOTE (elreb @ May 24 2012, 03:53 PM) Ama... May 25 2012, 03:31 PM
elreb QUOTE (amazed! @ May 25 2012, 09:31 A... May 25 2012, 04:46 PM
SanderO OSS,
I am neither playing a victim nor feel like ... May 23 2012, 08:14 PM
Tamborine man It is in this video one will find the true answers... May 23 2012, 10:03 PM
Tamborine man And i can't see any harm in now and then re-visiti... May 23 2012, 10:29 PM
MajorTom Another glimpse of that knuckle
What are we to ... May 24 2012, 11:58 AM
Tamborine man QUOTE (MajorTom @ May 22 2012, 02:58 PM) ... May 24 2012, 11:45 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE (MajorTom @ May 24 2012, 04:58 PM) ... May 26 2012, 06:33 PM
SanderO QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 26 2012, 06:33... May 27 2012, 07:03 PM
MajorTom There has only been one attempt to measure the ear... May 24 2012, 12:08 PM
MajorTom There has only been one attempt to measure the ear... May 24 2012, 12:10 PM
SanderO The spire columns came down from Euler buckling.
... May 25 2012, 07:53 AM
KP50 I always find the best starting point for 9/11 is ... May 25 2012, 10:47 PM
elreb I have always been a team player.
He is still wel... May 25 2012, 11:00 PM
SanderO I am on no one's side Elreb. I am interested ... May 26 2012, 12:41 AM
elreb QUOTE (SanderO @ May 25 2012, 06:41 PM) I... May 26 2012, 01:17 AM
SanderO Elreb,
Asking questions is what is needed. I have... May 26 2012, 08:52 AM
amazed! Thanks Elreb--now I see what you're saying.
I... May 26 2012, 10:52 AM
onesliceshort QUOTE (SanderO)Proposing a theory is fine... and t... May 26 2012, 06:02 PM
onesliceshort Just thought I'd add a few images I came acros... May 26 2012, 07:09 PM
paranoia my take on the oft-called "spire": they ... May 27 2012, 02:55 AM
onesliceshort Definitely weird mate.
Here's another image (... May 27 2012, 05:25 PM
elreb QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 27 2012, 11:25... May 27 2012, 06:43 PM

onesliceshort QUOTE (elreb @ May 27 2012, 11:43 PM) You... May 27 2012, 06:57 PM

SanderO QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 27 2012, 06:57... May 27 2012, 07:06 PM

elreb QUOTE (SanderO @ May 27 2012, 01:06 PM) N... May 27 2012, 07:27 PM

onesliceshort QUOTE (elreb @ May 28 2012, 12:27 AM) I a... May 28 2012, 07:12 AM
paranoia QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 27 2012, 05:25... May 28 2012, 07:35 AM
SanderO Paranoia,
I have many slides explaining aspects o... May 28 2012, 08:15 AM
SanderO If you follow the link I posted you will find my s... May 28 2012, 10:39 AM
amazed! In the spirit of Aristotle comment that it is the ... May 28 2012, 11:06 AM
kawika I don't understand how any conclusion can be m... May 28 2012, 11:08 AM
elreb QUOTE (kawika @ May 28 2012, 05:08 AM) If... May 28 2012, 01:37 PM
onesliceshort SanderO, those calculations and the Purdue lecture... May 28 2012, 11:32 AM
onesliceshort QUOTE (Kawika)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zsp0... May 28 2012, 03:14 PM
SanderO The collapse of the floors stripped the core colum... May 28 2012, 03:34 PM
onesliceshort Back on topic..
There's an excellent thread o... May 28 2012, 05:27 PM
SanderO The key to understand the Euler buckling is that t... May 28 2012, 06:20 PM
KP50 Hi all,
I've attempted to move all WTC7 discu... May 30 2012, 10:53 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE (KP50 @ May 31 2012, 03:53 AM) Hi a... May 30 2012, 11:18 PM
Tamborine man Sorry to say, but what we see in any of the video ... May 31 2012, 11:50 PM
MajorTom Paranoia: "edit: not that im saying its not ... Jun 7 2012, 07:13 AM
MajorTom I asked him to reconsider the inclusion of this ph... Jun 7 2012, 07:23 AM
MajorTom Within the images of all the columns, I have never... Jun 7 2012, 07:35 AM
SanderO In the first picture of the diagonal cut... the co... Jun 7 2012, 12:05 PM
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