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Fbi Calls Half Of Populace With 9/11 Doubts Potential Terrorists

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barney_rebel
post Sep 19 2013, 08:43 PM
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Such is tantamount to declaring that merely having an opinion is bordering on treason.

In fact, the whole contention is predicated upon the idea that merely possessing a difference of opinion is sufficient cause to arrest, and incarcerate. pilotfly.gif
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Gents, the time has now come.
You're either with us, or against us
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Gents, the time has now come.
You're either with us, or against us

soft fascism is alive and well
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QUOTE (EJT @ Sep 19 2013, 08:26 PM) *
Such is tantamount to declaring that merely having an opinion is bordering on treason.

In fact, the whole contention is predicated upon the idea that merely possessing a difference of opinion is sufficient cause to arrest, and incarcerate. pilotfly.gif


Maybe, just maybe, the FBI is paranoid about the people in its own ranks (this not to mention the ranks of the New York City Police Department, the FDNY, the Secret Service, the entire military, the White House staff, etc.)

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QUOTE (Gramps @ Sep 20 2013, 08:11 AM) *
soft fascism is alive and well


Hey, hey, hey... We're well on our way!

How is a nation, that's supposed to be governed "by the people" supposed to be governed by the people when gov't failures are forbidden discussions? Perhaps Agent Kafka can answer that question. LOL!

Agent Kafka: Everyone here needs to prepare to answer secret charges, to be brought by a secret authority, before a secret court, based on secret evidence! Good Luck! laughing1.gif
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QUOTE (Obwon @ Sep 18 2013, 01:23 PM) *
Hey, hey, hey... We're well on our way!

How is a nation, that's supposed to be governed "by the people" supposed to be governed by the people when gov't failures are forbidden discussions? Perhaps Agent Kafka can answer that question. LOL!

Agent Kafka: Everyone here needs to prepare to answer secret charges, to be brought by a secret authority, before a secret court, based on secret evidence! Good Luck! laughing1.gif


"When everyone is guilty, it thence becomes a crime to be innocent."
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I am on a temp assignment at a major company in the military industrial complex. The policies of this place are satan personified a I can cite person and verse thus by translating the Orwellian doublespeak and directly providing links to the corporate website and my personal experience with working in and for this particular corporate entity. Yeah I know they are watching.
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QUOTE (barney_rebel @ Sep 20 2013, 12:43 AM) *



Deeply disturbing ohmy.gif and comical laughing1.gif at the same time. Totally illegal to harass people who dont believe in the offical state and mass media 911 chanting and mythology ; its as if we have gone back to the Inquisition 1550-1600 when Galeleo and Copurnicus risked being burnt at the stake for proving that the Earth goes around the sun and Júpiter has moons that revolve around it, not the Earth, the center of God's creation accrding to church dogma.

This country is moving at Mach 1+ speed back in time to before the year 1789 ( the constitution ) and even the year 1215 ( the Magna Carta )

This can not be happening, it wont work in the Internet Age.

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post Sep 22 2013, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE (SR71 @ Sep 20 2013, 01:05 PM) *
Deeply disturbing ohmy.gif and comical laughing1.gif at the same time. Totally illegal to harass people who dont believe in the offical state and mass media 911 chanting and mythology ; its as if we have gone back to the Inquisition 1550-1600 when Galeleo and Copurnicus risked being burnt at the stake for proving that the Earth goes around the sun and Júpiter has moons that revolve around it, not the Earth, the center of God's creation accrding to church dogma.

This country is moving at Mach 1+ speed back in time to before the year 1789 ( the constitution ) and even the year 1215 ( the Magna Carta )

This can not be happening, it wont work in the Internet Age.


Whenever the official narrative —for whatever incident— starts collapsing under the weight of its own deceit, it takes the power of government to prop-up the lie.

Appropriate quote:
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

~George Orwell

We are all now revolutionaries!
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post Sep 23 2013, 09:03 AM
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The person or persons involved in formulating this idea need to be fired and removed from gov't entirely as quickly as possible. The fact is that this nations Founding Fathers were ahead of their times in granting the people the bill of rights etc., but it is the ultimate evolution of government, as a result of social progress.

In prehistoric times, tribal cohesion was discovered to be an effective way to distribute the tasks and thus efficiently save energy needed for the species survival. Eventually these tribes grew larger and the leadership found room to horde resources for themselves, rather than equitably redistribute them. This hording would continue until the efficiency of the tribes energy management became intolerable for most and the tribal community would break down.

Next came the idea of codified laws, that allowed individuals to determine how energy should be appropriated for the efficient benefit of society. Though these models were terribly flawed, they did represent an advancement over the tribal structure. Because the "rule by law" allowed for the creation by law, of the "medium of exchange", which allowed for the increasingly efficient distribution of work. The new exchange mediums meant that artist no longer had to tend fields or herd sheep, thinkers and investigators into any all fields of inquiry could sustain themselves, just as well as those who had labored in the fields. Public works could be commissioned by the gov't on the peoples behalf for the benefit of all and paid for by laying taxes.

Obviously, those who wrote the laws, included in them their own prejudices and designs about their social preferences and incorporated them into societies "order". Of course, with fewer people able to watch these esoteric ministrations, room for inequitable hording of assets grew large, while the preferential ramification of laws being written, ultimately created unmanageable inequities that impacted large portions of societies ability to survive. When this grew to untenable proportions, and the powers that be decided they would not back down for various reasons, the social order dissolved and had to be rebuilt from scratch.

This sequence has repeated itself throughout the annuls of human history. This is what we are seeing once again. There is no historical evidence that any government can survive the loss of the confidence of it's own people, yet "the powers that be" still hope against hope, or remain willfully ignorant of this fact, in order to preserve the status quo that supports them in their positions of power. For a time they can turn the armies, meant to ensure a defense against outsiders, against the very people who make up those armies. But, in the end it turns out to be a fools errand.

The danger for all at this stage in history, where there is so much reliance on technological infrastructure, is; will gov't transition or will it be pushed to the breaking point? Will gov't transition to a more equitable distribution of wealth that represents the work, of the human energy that created it, or will those in power attempt to continue to horde power and the spoils of the wealth it creates for themselves? Will they continue to do so until so much confidence in government is lost that the systems break?

We have the tools to cause government to transition away from highly centralized and inequitable distributions of power and wealth, but it takes a great deal of effort to apply the needed pressure incrementally. Of course, history shows that, if the wherewithal cannot be found to push for the necessary transitions, the system will eventually break down and we'll have to start from scratch again.

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QUOTE (Obwon @ Sep 21 2013, 11:03 AM) *
The person or persons involved in formulating this idea need to be fired and removed from gov't entirely as quickly as possible. The fact is that this nations Founding Fathers were ahead of their times in granting the people the bill of rights etc., but it is the ultimate evolution of government, as a result of social progress.

In prehistoric times, tribal cohesion was discovered to be an effective way to distribute the tasks and thus efficiently save energy needed for the species survival. Eventually these tribes grew larger and the leadership found room to horde resources for themselves, rather than equitably redistribute them. This hording would continue until the efficiency of the tribes energy management became intolerable for most and the tribal community would break down.

Next came the idea of codified laws, that allowed individuals to determine how energy should be appropriated for the efficient benefit of society. Though these models were terribly flawed, they did represent an advancement over the tribal structure. Because the "rule by law" allowed for the creation by law, of the "medium of exchange", which allowed for the increasingly efficient distribution of work. The new exchange mediums meant that artist no longer had to tend fields or herd sheep, thinkers and investigators into any all fields of inquiry could sustain themselves, just as well as those who had labored in the fields. Public works could be commissioned by the gov't on the peoples behalf for the benefit of all and paid for by laying taxes.

Obviously, those who wrote the laws, included in them their own prejudices and designs about their social preferences and incorporated them into societies "order". Of course, with fewer people able to watch these esoteric ministrations, room for inequitable hording of assets grew large, while the preferential ramification of laws being written, ultimately created unmanageable inequities that impacted large portions of societies ability to survive. When this grew to untenable proportions, and the powers that be decided they would not back down for various reasons, the social order dissolved and had to be rebuilt from scratch.

This sequence has repeated itself throughout the annuls of human history. This is what we are seeing once again. There is no historical evidence that any government can survive the loss of the confidence of it's own people, yet "the powers that be" still hope against hope, or remain willfully ignorant of this fact, in order to preserve the status quo that supports them in their positions of power. For a time they can turn the armies, meant to ensure a defense against outsiders, against the very people who make up those armies. But, in the end it turns out to be a fools errand.

The danger for all at this stage in history, where there is so much reliance on technological infrastructure, is; will gov't transition or will it be pushed to the breaking point? Will gov't transition to a more equitable distribution of wealth that represents the work, of the human energy that created it, or will those in power attempt to continue to horde power and the spoils of the wealth it creates for themselves? Will they continue to do so until so much confidence in government is lost that the systems break?

We have the tools to cause government to transition away from highly centralized and inequitable distributions of power and wealth, but it takes a great deal of effort to apply the needed pressure incrementally. Of course, history shows that, if the wherewithal cannot be found to push for the necessary transitions, the system will eventually break down and we'll have to start from scratch again.


I have a question: Repeatedly, you speak of 'redistribution of wealth.' That phrase fairly reeks of communism. Well, if I work hard to achieve a modicum of success (measured by my ability to make my own life better), is it your position that I must be forcibly deprived of my wealth, that others benefit?

Thomas Jefferson has some words for you:

"To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, 'the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it.'"
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~ Thomas Jefferson

And then there's Ayn Rand:

"Socialism is the doctrine that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that his life and his work do not belong to him, but belong to society, that the only justification of his existence is his service to society, and that society may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own tribal, collective good."
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~ Ayn Rand

So too, there's C.S. Lewis:

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."


~ C.S. Lewis

Now, if what you seek is to escape the current paradigm of government, then allow me to suggest 'A New Paradigm Of Government.'


Simply put, the very best way to solve the problem is to place all the power of government into the hands of the people themselves, disallowing any ability of government to make laws, rules, or regulations. The next most important matter is to outlaw all privately owned banks, and outlaw all corporations both public, and private.

The next step then, is to ‘step outside’ the current paradigm of government (stepping outside the box), and seriously evaluate a better way which —when fully considered— takes us completely away from oppressive government, whilst still fully protecting all of our natural rights (everything enshrined in the U.S. Bill of Rights), and keeps government under such tight rein, that they dare not violate their oaths to office for fear of facing the direst of consequences, and repercussions.

It's all about the maximum distribution of political power, i.e., every person gets to determine his own life. Distributed political power has that feature which makes it next to impossible to abuse, as opposed to concentrated political power which in virtually ~every~ instance in history, has been abused endlessly.

So, just what is it that you seek?
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QUOTE (EJT @ Sep 23 2013, 11:36 AM) *
I have a question: Repeatedly, you speak of 'redistribution of wealth.' That phrase fairly reeks of communism. Well, if I work hard to achieve a modicum of success (measured by my ability to make my own life better), is it your position that I must be forcibly deprived of my wealth, that others benefit?
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So, just what is it that you seek?


When I talk of "redistribution of wealth and power", I am not talking about it in the collective way that the many schemes of political and/or social order are contrived to do. What I am addressing is "The Modicum" of wealth and power distribution, that is needed to enable the efficiency of a survival system. Not the draconian "You Must", but the more reasonable "We Shall", do these things to allow for the maximum husbandry of human energy.

At one point concentration can become so all encompassing that everything and everyone suffers, while on the other hand, guarding against things becoming too decentralized as well, rendering the effectiveness of the socioeconomic order ineffective. Either of the two extremes are the portals to chaos.

Therefore the design of government must be flexible enough to recognize when things are getting dangerously out of balance. Where either power or capital or both are becoming either too concentrated in too few hands or being eviscerated by being in too many hands.

While not talking about how rich or powerful any individual can be allowed to become, the other side of the coin is how dis empowered or economically tenuous society will allow their fellow citizens to become before some sort of floor is put under them. The key to a healthy and orderly society is in large measure owed to creating a balance.

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QUOTE (Obwon @ Sep 21 2013, 05:27 PM) *
When I talk of "redistribution of wealth and power", I am not talking about it in the collective way that the many schemes of political and/or social order are contrived to do. What I am addressing is "The Modicum" of wealth and power distribution, that is needed to enable the efficiency of a survival system. Not the draconian "You Must", but the more reasonable "We Shall", do these things to allow for the maximum husbandry of human energy.

At one point concentration can become so all encompassing that everything and everyone suffers, while on the other hand, guarding against things becoming too decentralized as well, rendering the effectiveness of the socioeconomic order ineffective. Either of the two extremes are the portals to chaos.

Therefore the design of government must be flexible enough to recognize when things are getting dangerously out of balance. Where either power or capital or both are becoming either too concentrated in too few hands or being eviscerated by being in too many hands.

While not talking about how rich or powerful any individual can be allowed to become, the other side of the coin is how dis empowered or economically tenuous society will allow their fellow citizens to become before some sort of floor is put under them. The key to a healthy and orderly society is in large measure owed to creating a balance.

Okay, then let's take this to the next level: No political power concentrated in any person or group's hands.

Consider this: Why the current paradigm isn’t working

From the very beginnings of what amounts to ‘government’ amongst men, there has been a most fearful battle between the forces of good, and the forces of evil. In almost every instance between the two —good, and evil— they invariably resort to one or another vileness, and/or the vain, in order to achieve their ends. The evil do such, if only because it happens to be in their very nature. The so-called ‘good’ do so, when they think it will help their cause, but which invariably ends up hurting them in the end.

In the finality of all things then, they both resort to the very same tactics, and methods, themselves which produce the very same results, because of the amount of leeway which the current paradigm of government affords those in elected, and appointed office. The current paradigm equals just this: A small cadre are given the power to rule over the vast majority of the people. The solution then, is to remove that power from that small cadre, and return it to the majority where it rightfully belongs.

Now, before I proceed further, allow me to state just this: I do not propose to say that what I put forth here for your consideration, is the be-all, and end-all in that matter of constituted government, for in the main there will always be the individuals, and/or groups who have it in mind that it is they only whom are the best suited to ‘run’ matters. So the problem as I see it, is that government —for the most part— is wrongly constructed, for it lays into the hands of the very few, the most power, itself which is ultimately misused, abused, and totally misconstrued to mean something entirely different from what was intended.

My proposition is proffered with just this in mind: The further away from the levers of political power we might keep those possessing of malicious intent, the less likely it is that they will achieve any of their designs against the lot of us, through the use of political power.

The people, having been essentially eliminated from possessing any real ability to influence matters beyond the voting stage —if indeed they are allowed to vote at all— are mere bystanders in the power play which unfolds before them.

Factor in that matter of ‘voting machines,’ and you’ll soon realise that your vote for all intents, and purposes, simply doesn’t count, because of the perpetual rigging of the software, and the padding of the ballots (dead, and nonexistent people voting, and other ballot box stuffing shenanigans). The lack of real accountability is endemic to the system itself, and in fact is facilitated by it.

More to follow, if you're interested.
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QUOTE (SR71 @ Sep 22 2013, 11:05 AM) *
Deeply disturbing ohmy.gif and comical laughing1.gif at the same time. Totally illegal to harass people who dont believe in the offical state and mass media 911 chanting and mythology ; its as if we have gone back to the Inquisition 1550-1600 when Galeleo and Copurnicus risked being burnt at the stake for proving that the Earth goes around the sun and Júpiter has moons that revolve around it, not the Earth, the center of God's creation accrding to church dogma.

This country is moving at Mach 1+ speed back in time to before the year 1789 ( the constitution ) and even the year 1215 ( the Magna Carta )

This can not be happening, it wont work in the Internet Age.


Well said. But, if they pull the plug, they have a plan, you don't.
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QUOTE (JimMac @ Sep 29 2013, 04:17 AM) *
Well said. But, if they pull the plug, they have a plan, you don't.



People who got "plans", are doomed to failure!

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when CORPORATIONS were declared to be PERSONS,
the way was opened for souless-machines
to control the souls living in organic bodies aka humans

the theme is played out in the movie Matrix series

as well as the folks living underground in Pescara, Italy from 1957-1975 who admitted to mechanical intelligence being a problem

currently reading NOT IN HIS IMAGE by John Lamb Lash, published 2006, who has deciphered the Egyptian Nag Hamadi Dec 1947 books that tell about Sophia shooting from the galactic core and then embodying her self into Gaia-Earth. Others were manifested in that process, the Archons, who are the trouble makers, who oppose Sophia and the humans.

so, long story short, FBI warning is the most recent message on a long path we have all been on............
the FBI message is evidently not from an organic human with a beating heart with a soul in it.......IMHO....

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"The Lady Doth Protest Too Much Methinks" - Hamlet: Act 2 Scene 3
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I notice that scoping out military bases is one sign of these subversives. Not only do I harbor suspicion that all is not as the authorities would have us believe, I spent twenty years scoping out various USMC locations, in uniform. Some places I was even being shot at. Cue the black helicopters.

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