IPBFacebook




POSTS MADE TO THIS FORUM ARE THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE AUTHOR AND DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THE VIEWS OF PILOTS FOR 911 TRUTH
FOR OFFICIAL PILOTS FOR 9/11 TRUTH STATEMENTS AND ANALYSIS, PLEASE VISIT PILOTSFOR911TRUTH.ORG

WELCOME - PLEASE REGISTER OR LOG IN FOR FULL FORUM ACCESS ( Log In | Register )

 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
Please Help. N164ua Scrapped But For Sale. Is This N612ua?

SeekingC40
post Feb 17 2014, 08:31 PM
Post #1





Group: Student Forum Pilot
Posts: 16
Joined: 6-February 14
Member No.: 7,701



Oops I go the title of this post wrong its: N614UA Scrapped but for sale...Is this N612UA? sorry bout that

Ok, I know I am new here and I know very little about aircraft and all the ins and outs of there operations and sales but this is really strange. So please stick with me.

I found a listing for N614UA MSN 21875 year 1984 for sale/lease: Here are 2 links.
http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/a...200/1273003.htm
http://www.corporateconceptsintl.com/inventory.htm

The FAA records show N614UA is registered and owned by Boeing Co. In Kansas, The same company also owns N613UA / 21874 which is also still registered and the FAA site..

Here's the thing, the listing says the aircraft is mfg 1984, which I knew was supposed to be 1983 so it peeked my interest so I started looking.

It looks to me that both N614UA and N613UA are scrapped. I cant really make out the N#'s in the photos I did try to enhance them but I think someone else should look. Plus more proof below.

I think this is N614UA/ 21875 Torn to Bits! http://www.airteamimages.com/boeing-767_N6...nes_148007.html

and this is N613UA 21873 : http://www.airteamimages.com/boeing-767_N6...nes_148006.html (this one I know N# is easier to make out.)

According to ch-aviation, N614UA was scrapped in 2012. http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/aircraft/33854
and "broken up" in 2012 according to. http://www.airliners.net/photo/United-Airl...67-222/1080720/

Also sense both 614 and 613 were owned by this "Boeing Co." I'm guessing this is Boeing? but for sale by Corporate Concepts International it seems even stranger.
and the website links to boeing.com this whole thing is really odd. If N614UA and N613UA are gone then what the hell is up for grabs? Is this N612UA / 21873 What are the chances...

I tried to check my facts but I have a limited understanding off all the ins and outs of tracking an aircraft and the N# registrations So can someone take a look. If I'm way off with all this then ,my bad but any help is appreciated.

I know really N613UA doesn't have mush to do with this but it still seems odd that the 2 planes immediately after UA612UA can be linked to this.

This post has been edited by SeekingC40: Feb 17 2014, 08:34 PM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
SeekingC40
post Feb 17 2014, 08:41 PM
Post #2





Group: Student Forum Pilot
Posts: 16
Joined: 6-February 14
Member No.: 7,701



Correction N613UA is 21874 , I stated the wrong serial number at one point. not that this plane is super relevant but it is still part of my point.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
goprisko
post Feb 17 2014, 10:33 PM
Post #3





Group: Newbie
Posts: 9
Joined: 4-January 14
Member No.: 7,649



QUOTE (SeekingC40 @ Feb 17 2014, 08:41 PM) *
Correction N613UA is 21874 , I stated the wrong serial number at one point. not that this plane is super relevant but it is still part of my point.



This is another nail in the coffin !

Another piece of evidence showing 9/11 to have been a hoax!

Another item showing that NO PLANES were involved in 9/11 !

9/11 was demolition of white elephants, pure and simple!

INDY
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
raptor
post Feb 18 2014, 01:02 AM
Post #4





Group: Newbie
Posts: 3
Joined: 8-September 13
Member No.: 7,514



[quote name='SeekingC40' date='Feb 17 2014, 07:31 PM' post='10811336']
Oops I go the title of this post wrong its: N614UA Scrapped but for sale...Is this N612UA? sorry bout that

Ok, I know I am new here and I know very little about aircraft and all the ins and outs of there operations and sales but this is really strange. So please stick with me.

I found a listing for N614UA MSN 21875 year 1984 for sale/lease: Here are 2 links.
http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/a...200/1273003.htm
http://www.corporateconceptsintl.com/inventory.htm
whistle.gif

Forgive my lack of understanding, but what is your point? What are you postulating?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
paulmichael
post Feb 18 2014, 07:18 AM
Post #5





Group: Active Forum Pilot
Posts: 415
Joined: 6-July 12
Member No.: 6,923



In a post dated April 2, 2004, in another forum at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...p;mesg_id=10112 , DulceDecorum notes:

QUOTE
N 334AA Flight 11 Serial 22332 Issued 1/6/2000 Registration: Cancelled 1/14/2002
N 644AA Flight 77 Serial 24602 Issued 5/8/1991 Registration: Cancelled 1/14/2002
N 591UA Flight 93 Serial 28142 Issued 7/1/1996 Registration: Valid
N 612UA Flight 175 Serial 21873 Issued 1/18/1984 Registration: Valid

You can click on the link "View all" near the top of the above noted post of DulceDecorum for a lengthy discussion which continues at The Pilots and the Planes: Part 2.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
paulmichael
post Feb 18 2014, 09:20 AM
Post #6





Group: Active Forum Pilot
Posts: 415
Joined: 6-July 12
Member No.: 6,923



QUOTE (raptor @ Feb 18 2014, 01:02 AM) *
Forgive my lack of understanding, but what is your point? What are you postulating?


I am not speaking for SeekingC40. I am going to speak for myself here.

After due consideration of all the "facts," as dubious as they may be as presented here and there on the Net and after due consideration of all the speculation, as even more dubious as speculation is, I firmly believe (as I already expressed in another post elsewhere) that, all things considered, American Airlines and United Airlines had to have been in on things in very big ways prior to the alleged 9/11 strikes and thereafter to this date.

For DolceDecorum's take on the disposition of the American Airlines craft alleged to be involved in the events of 9/11, see reply # 26, specifically the paragraph after "On edit" at the very end of that reply at: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...dress=125x10112 .

I already stated that I believe that there were no original flights UA175, AA11, and AA77 (and possibly UA93 as well) on 9/11. However, what I cannot fathom is how this can be and yet escape the attention of airline personnel at the respective airports of faked departures, to wit, gate agents, check-in counter agents, baggage handlers, flight control center workers, aircraft cleaners, caterers, and more.

I am of the mind that the 9/11 crew and passenger lists were falsified in whole and or in part, yet I believe it is likely that 9/11 inflight calls were simulated using voice morphing technology to impersonate real people. But this begs the question: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REAL PEOPLE WHOSE VOICES WERE IMPERSONATED and why couldn't these real people be used to deceive the recipients of the calls?

I think the best way to attempt to sort out the mysteries of 9/11, is to put the top illusionists of the world into something akin to a think tank/jury room, feed them all the available information, believed to be true or false, and sequester them until they, with their great (and devious) minds sort everything out and arrive at the most plausible explanation(s) for what has happened on 9/11.

P.M.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
SeekingC40
post Feb 18 2014, 12:10 PM
Post #7





Group: Student Forum Pilot
Posts: 16
Joined: 6-February 14
Member No.: 7,701



Sorry I was not aware this was being discussed elsewhere on the web, and please pardon my spelling in the first post, I was up to my neck in numbers and websites.

What I was getting at is that it seems odd to me that two planes that have been confirmed to have been scrapped are not deregistered and stated to be owned by this Boeing Co. I am unclear is to whether "Boeing co." is actually Boeing. Why would Boeing own 2 defunct airliners? The fact that one of them N614UA is for sale obviously can not be correct..

My postulation is that based on the facts, is that possibly someone is either trying to list a 767 under a false identity (Fraud!) or possibly that parts from the two previous planes may have been put into another one to confuse the serial numbers. Or that N612UA was scrapped in place of N614UA and there's a cover up. I don't know how this all works but It is clear there is something fishy.

Why are the two planes N613UA and N614UA not deregistered if they are scrapped? I confirmed the serial numbers match the tail numbers on the FAA site, so they are the same planes. The sale listing was updated 12/2013 but N614UA / 21875 was taken apart in Victorville, CA in 2012.

What I would like an opinion on is if anyone else thinks there are shell companies in place trying to disguise or sell a plane that can not exist and if anyone thinks this could be flight 175's plane.

I would call the number on the listing myself but I would blow my cover in a second not knowing enough of the right questions to ask.

Also let me state I do believe that the towers were struck by planes. I don't not believe they were AA or UA planes. American 11 already possibly went up for sale and is now gone or hidden, the planes are slipping away and they are the undeniable proof of what actually happened so that's why I am so interested in this situation.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
SeekingC40
post Feb 18 2014, 12:35 PM
Post #8





Group: Student Forum Pilot
Posts: 16
Joined: 6-February 14
Member No.: 7,701



QUOTE (SeekingC40 @ Feb 18 2014, 12:10 PM) *
What I was getting at is that it seems odd to me that two planes that have been confirmed to have been scrapped are not deregistered and stated to be owned by this Boeing Co. I am unclear is to whether "Boeing co." is actually Boeing. Why would Boeing own 2 defunct airliners?


I did some looking and the company listed on the FAA site as the registered owner of both N614UA and N613UA is actually Boeing. I mapped it and called the number I got from Bing and it is Boeing...This does not explain to me though why they own these two defunct planes nor why one is for sale.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
SeekingC40
post Feb 18 2014, 01:10 PM
Post #9





Group: Student Forum Pilot
Posts: 16
Joined: 6-February 14
Member No.: 7,701



QUOTE (paulmichael @ Feb 18 2014, 09:20 AM) *
I already stated that I believe that there were no original flights UA175, AA11, and AA77 (and possibly UA93 as well) on 9/11. However, what I cannot fathom is how this can be and yet escape the attention of airline personnel at the respective airports of faked departures, to wit, gate agents, check-in counter agents, baggage handlers, flight control center workers, aircraft cleaners, caterers, and more.


I know this has been talked about for a long time and I am just getting into this but it's worth mentioning to me that UA flight 93 and UA flight 91 were both nonstop from Philly to SFO up until 9/5/2001 when they both switched EWR according to BTS Flight 93 had a 100% on time rating for its first 6 flights from EWR but then of course was super delayed on 9/11. Also following 9/11 all of 91's flights I counted 13 were canceled and it never flew again from EWR
If the story states the planes were chosen for their historically low passenger loads how the heck did they get info for a flight that had no stats and didn't exist when they got tickets...anyways I know 91 was not involved but its still tied in and I tend to look at what didn't happen along with what did.

I digress though and back to my current dilemma...Should I call Boeing or this CCI and ask about the plane for sale?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
tumetuestumefais...
post Feb 18 2014, 01:56 PM
Post #10





Group: Respected Member
Posts: 1,125
Joined: 7-November 07
From: Prague or France
Member No.: 2,452



So to recap: there are sale listings for B767-200 N614UA S/N 21875 MFR "1984" last updated 31-12-2013 9:40 here and here.

But the B767-222 plane S/N 21875, line number 43, which has officially listed MFR 1983 in the FAA registry and was delivered on 1983-03-02 tested airworthy on 1983-03-01 with first flight 09-02-1983 seems to have been stored on 2004-08-16, according to flightaware re-registered from Boeing Co to Wells Fargo Bank Northwest NA Trustee Salt Lake City UT on 02-06-2006, which is also listed as owner here (although FAA registry and other sites list Boeing Co as owner and this site lists Wells Fargo as "old owner") and scrapped in January 2012 in Victorville from here, here and here. Which seems to be confirmed by wittnesses here, here and here and photographs:

another here

So question indeed is not only what plane from what year of MFR they list for sale there, but who is indeed the owner of the plane listed for sale.

This post has been edited by tumetuestumefaisdubien: Feb 18 2014, 02:05 PM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
SeekingC40
post Feb 18 2014, 02:11 PM
Post #11





Group: Student Forum Pilot
Posts: 16
Joined: 6-February 14
Member No.: 7,701



QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Feb 18 2014, 01:56 PM) *
So to recap: there are sale listings for B767-200 N614UA S/N 21875 MFR "1984" last updated 31-12-2013 9:40 here and here.


Exactly thank you for making my case easier to read. There are some shenanigans going on here and I appreciate any help pinning this down,
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
tumetuestumefais...
post Feb 18 2014, 09:37 PM
Post #12





Group: Respected Member
Posts: 1,125
Joined: 7-November 07
From: Prague or France
Member No.: 2,452



QUOTE (SeekingC40 @ Feb 18 2014, 08:11 AM) *
Exactly thank you for making my case easier to read. There are some shenanigans going on here and I appreciate any help pinning this down,

Certainly this looks like interesting find. I don't really know if what they list there for sale is N612UA, but certainly it doesn't look like they sell N614UA.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
SeekingC40
post Feb 18 2014, 11:53 PM
Post #13





Group: Student Forum Pilot
Posts: 16
Joined: 6-February 14
Member No.: 7,701



QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Feb 18 2014, 09:37 PM) *
Certainly this looks like interesting find. I don't really know if what they list there for sale is N612UA, but certainly it doesn't look like they sell N614UA.


I did some more research and the company selling this has another website www.Flycci.com and they have to other different 767's for sale from the same year listed but N614UA is not listed there and vice versa and the other planes do not seem suspicious.

I did some more digging on N614UA to and found that Boeing acquired it from Transatlantic Aviation ltd in 2011 and the reason was for it to be used in development in the new KC-46A tankers. So this may explain why Boeing is the registered owner I guess, as to why they broke it up and didn't use it is another question.
It seems that there is an extra United 767 in the world and ideally there's only one way to find out if the seller will acknowledge that it is the correct info in the listing, or a mistake. I cant imagine how anyone would make a mistake on both a tail number and serial number that would match up but who knows.

So sense I have never had to inquire about purchasing a 767...hypothetically what would one do?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
onesliceshort
post Feb 19 2014, 10:34 AM
Post #14



Group Icon

Group: Global Mod
Posts: 2,612
Joined: 30-January 09
Member No.: 4,095



I smell drugs.

There may be a few useful leads here:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/money-launder...st-elites/20210

http://www.narconews.com/Issue48/article2919.html
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
SeekingC40
post Feb 20 2014, 05:00 PM
Post #15





Group: Student Forum Pilot
Posts: 16
Joined: 6-February 14
Member No.: 7,701



QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Feb 19 2014, 10:34 AM) *
I smell drugs.


Indeed, I did some more looking and never once did I consider that the company listing the plane may not actually have a plane to sell, from further investigation I'm pretty sure Corporate Concepts is a front for something sense they technically have no office, run the business on a single cell phone and there's a whole list of other strange things involving their domain registrations and background. I still feel the company is up to something sense I tracked another plane they are selling to have been already exported to the Cayman Islands

I guess with them listing a plane that turned up an unusual history of being valid yet scraped it made me think in the wrong direction, I'm not in the business of investigating things of this magnitude intentionally and I accidently uncovered a different plot rather than the one I was hoping to find. My bad but I never imagined the other possibilities. So Long story short yea I'm leaning towards drugs.. I'll see if they respond to my inquiry about it. ph34r.gif
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
SeekingC40
post Feb 21 2014, 12:58 PM
Post #16





Group: Student Forum Pilot
Posts: 16
Joined: 6-February 14
Member No.: 7,701



Ok, I know I probably sound a little crazy by now but I could really use an explanation according to This there are ACARS logs from 2013 for N614UA which has been determined to have been scrapped n 2012.

N614UA 20131005 0941 UA0921 (B767 UAL) (EGLL-KIAD)
N614UA 20131019 0952 UA0920 (B767 UAL) (KIAD-EGLL)

Am I reading this right I found these on the site I linked. I don't know much about ACARS. What would this mean?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

Reply to this topicStart new topic
2 User(s) are reading this topic (2 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 




RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 13th December 2017 - 02:25 AM