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Engine Experts?, hi res. FEMA photos

waterdancer
post Nov 26 2006, 05:06 AM
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Anyone able to tell from these FEMA shots about the airplane the engine came from?

hi res versions of the pics below:

http://www.photolibrary.fema.gov/photodata/original/5473.jpg archive
http://www.photolibrary.fema.gov/photodata/original/5474.jpg archive

(IMG:http://www.photolibrary.fema.gov/photodata/low/5473.jpg)
(IMG:http://www.photolibrary.fema.gov/photodata/low/5474.jpg)
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muhammadcolumbo
post Jan 2 2007, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE (tocarm @ Jan 1 2007, 08:00 PM)
Dear Muhammadcolumbo,

I must confess that I'm pretty much "burned out" with this 9-11 stuff. If all of my own personal 9-11 Truth involvement has taught me anything - it is this. The United States of America, its Government officials, its Corporate/Business leaders along with vast segments of the general US populace have "lost their souls" - or perhaps better yet, have "sold their souls" (and are 'living happily ever after in this lifetime of theirs on the dividends of that sale).

Hello Tocarm,

I understand your point, things are very bad, many lies, worst propheties, ... Ok for all of that. But if I, or any of us here, begin to focus on this kind of ideas, anybody he can be, he is lost, he is ill, and he is dying. That's not a solution.

I made my own way:
- I'll do my best, but not more than can I do.
- I'll be patient, but I'll not stop working.
- I'll focus on facts, on studying each subject up to the last detail.
- I'll remain sincere in what I do.
- I'll not think negative.
- I'll not expect to have things perfect.

Doing that, I can continue the work.

QUOTE (tocarm @ Jan 1 2007, 08:00 PM)
The many religious prophecies I know of all indicate this USA nation is coming under God's Divine Justice (or 'wrath' if you prefer - as in 'chastisement').


Excuse me, but this is a little bit negative thinking. Let's leave it aside for other. Fur us, lut's focus on facts.

Now, for the RB211. I looked for photos. But got only outside pictures, some know maintenance manual drawings, ... Finally nothing new.

All arguments trying to justify the presence of a 757 focus on the type of holes, the number of holes, broken smashed debris, ... But many engines may have this kind of fuel nozzle entry holes, if the debris is smashed it's not more reliable, ...

Sure, a final decision can be done by serial numbers analyse. But this has not been done. Officials wanted to hide these information. So we need an other solution!

Most of the time it's possible to identify objects by measuring the ratios of the same dimensions on similar images. So I did that for the RB211. Here are the drawings. Measurements are made by autocad, so they are precise. For better precision download the images and chek them yourself.

(IMG:http://users.swing.be/muhammadcolumbo/RB211_Measurements-Debris.jpg)
Here the averages ratios are as follow:
Angular distances: ((3.69+3.34+3.24+2.94)/4)/((0.89+0.93+1.13+1.02)/4)=3.327
Linear distances: 18.05/2.26=7.986

(IMG:http://users.swing.be/muhammadcolumbo/RB211_Measurements-Dwg1.jpg)
Angular distances: ((7.33+7.53+6.93)/3)/((4.52+5.04)/2)=1.519
Linear distances: 9.56/1.78=5.371

(IMG:http://users.swing.be/muhammadcolumbo/RB211_Measurements-Dwg2.jpg)
Angular distances: ((8.22+8.47+8.56+7.37)/4)/((3.7+3.66+3.8)/3)=2.192
Linear distances: 12,28/4,59=2.675

There is a big difference in linear distances. From 7.986 to 5.371 or 2.675. As we have only one reference, let's say it's not enough precise.

But for angular measurements we have several dimensions and averaging must give some better precision. But we still have big differences: From 3.327 to 1.519 or 2.192

So we can state that the debris is not the same part as in the maintenance manuals. May be some images are not enough precise. Yes it's possible. That's why I asked to have more picture, more precision on that part.

We must check that dimensions ratio to be sure that the debris is of an RB211 or not. The government refuses to do it, we will do it! Quitely but surely!

That's the same work for the landing arm debris which is not from a 757:
(IMG:http://users.swing.be/muhammadcolumbo/Trains.jpg)

Here the ratios are :
For B757: 2.94/1.2=2.45
For the debris: 2.51/1.3=1.93

Conclusion: The debris is not from a 757.

I think the debris are from a 737-400! But that must be checked. So I need more pictures of the same parts of a 737-400.

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