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Controlled Demo Evidence

rob balsamo
post Aug 25 2006, 09:15 PM
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The following thread shows flashes from the facade prior to explosive force being ejected, "pancaking" skipping floors, possiblities for flash and explosion suppression.. etc. Please also review 911eyewitness.com to hear the deep "boom.. booms" recorded from across the river in NJ. Be sure to have a stereo set up to hear it as you will not hear it on laptop speakers. Best audio from 5.1 speakers. It will shake your house.

Top picture courtesy of http://www.explosive911analysis.com/





I took the above right picture and blew it up. (no pun intended) wink.gif



And the video...

You can see the line of explosion wave starting downward. If anyone knows how to create a still of each frame, i'd love to analyze it. I bet we will see clearly the facade intact above each line of exploding floors.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7...=WTC+2+collapse
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post Aug 25 2006, 09:15 PM
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In the above video i pause/play/pause/play, the second explosive line is so plain to see... note the facade intact above the "pancake" line.

If anyone can get high res for this video and get every frame.. this is it. This is 100% proof of Controlled demo and not pancaking.

I did a print screen, so its not all that great. But you can see it easy in the video...

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rob balsamo
post Aug 25 2006, 09:16 PM
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Extremly noticable in this one...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=56...q=WTC++collapse

This one is incredible...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=17...=WTC+Demolition

Look carefully at just before 5secs and onwards and you can see each floor blowing up one by one VERY rapidly.
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post Aug 25 2006, 09:16 PM
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Its on all videos...

In this video, you can see an "angled" demo wave on a shot from under the South tower... starting at :23 seconds in to :30 seocnds. Its from Loose Change. But dont look at Dylans boxes (although they are important). Watch the fall line. The wave leads down the right side of the South tower.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...=WTC+1+collapse


Let me find a good one for North Tower...
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post Aug 25 2006, 09:18 PM
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You guys need to check this out in google video player at full screen. That second explosion line is a good 3-5 floors below the fall line. hit play/pause/play/pause all the way thru. You can almost see that the top was trying to slow down and tip more until the second squib line blew that floor out. Unbelievable. Im 100% convinced it was controlled demo.

here is the video im talking about. Download it and go full screen.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7...=WTC+2+collapse


if we can get the original, uncompressed, this should be in Final Cut, slowed down and highlighted... you can also see flashes from the North tower.
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rob balsamo
post Aug 25 2006, 09:19 PM
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Watch the whole video while focusing your eyes on the yellow center circle on WTC 2...




We need a loop about 10 times on that area... maybe expand it from :02 -:04.

Thanks for your work on this by the way.. its much appreciated.
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post Aug 25 2006, 09:20 PM
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Explosion Suppression.

Although many people did hear explosions and see flashes... one argument it why there isnt more of it. Why isnt there clear evidence (aside from the hundreds of witnesses that heard explosions).

Here is your answer...


listen to this...
http://www.aquafoam.com/BlastingExplosions.html


then listen to this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hun-UzHNxO0...=wtc%20collapse
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post Aug 25 2006, 09:21 PM
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QUOTE (FromTheBalcony @ Jul 6 2006, 03:15 AM)
Great info, John. I took that video, cut to just the collapse, slowed it down to 10 frames per second, and added some indicators. Here's the result:

http://www.fromthebalcony.com/911/wtc2_col..._camplanet.html

It's so obvious in this video.

Thank you\, Thank you,,, thank you!!!
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post Sep 1 2006, 09:04 AM
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Note the diagonal cut on the steel column.

It would be useful to identify the date of this photo to determine if the heavy equipment was in place necessary to facilitate this cut as part of the cleanup.
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post Oct 24 2006, 12:58 PM
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I am no expert in controlled demolition but from what little I do know, it does seem to me that the towers were brought down by controlled demolitions. Here is a question...a couple actually. If the South Tower was a simple pancake collapse, why did it not collapse asymetrically as the damage was to one corner? If the collapse was a simple pancake collapse, why did the top of the tower not end up hitting other buildings as it would if the building had tipped over as I think it would do in a normal collapse?

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post Oct 25 2006, 09:45 PM
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Hey John Doe a couple of the links you posted are busted... think you could fix those pleaase
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post Oct 25 2006, 09:56 PM
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QUOTE (broorno @ Oct 25 2006, 09:45 PM)
Hey John Doe a couple of the links you posted are busted... think you could fix those pleaase

all of them work for me.
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post Oct 25 2006, 10:50 PM
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I can't access the LC thread you linked for some reason.. and the Youtube video was removed

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rob balsamo
post Oct 26 2006, 01:46 AM
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QUOTE (broorno @ Oct 25 2006, 10:50 PM)
I can't access the LC thread you linked for some reason.. and the Youtube video was removed

youtube seems to be down now.. and the LC thread is gone.. but the same information is posted right below it.
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post Nov 3 2006, 01:32 PM
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Hi.
I agree with you guys that the towers were demolished, but .. I dont get why you focus on the 'demolition waves' below the falling fasade.
If the flores were panncaking inside the exteriour walls they would creat dust clauds bursting out the windows all around the building becaus the pancaking flores would push the ear inside the building out.
The fasad would fall later, when the flores are disconected ... and the mass akumilated inside would push it out.
But, in order that the flores can pancake, ore fall down inside the core has to give in first, and that cant happen with out explosives.
I dont find the vid right now but one vid showes clearly that the antenna gives in first, then the flores .. then the exterior coloms.
The thing that proves that the building was blown down is the timeframe in witch it happens.
If you calculate the conservation of momentur, and watch all the material that falles out of the towers, and take into acount all the energy that is needed to pulverice the concrete .. ther isnt enough in all to do all that.
But I dont understand why the smoke coming out the windows proving so mutch .. part from mebbe the smoke that exits FARE below the falling parts of the building ... like, in flore 25 when the fall is at flore 80
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post Nov 3 2006, 06:51 PM
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Hello Havey.

Because the floors DID NOT pancake on each other. Even NIST investigated it and came also to that conclusion - 4 years after the truthers (more to this from Kevin Ryan and Steven Jones, they will answer your questions - watch my signature please).

The plumes of smoke definitly do not only occur under the falling floors, but even 20 to 30 floors deeper - and that`s no air compression. And would the air blowing out being filled with debris and dust when it only came from a compression effect? Surely not.

And calculate the time of collapse - it`s almost freefall. Not possible with pancake.

Here`s a video of the sinking antenna
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4026073566596731782

And you should watch this one:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4026073566596731782

For more scientifical information and detail please visit "journalof911studies.com":
- 9/11 - Evidence for Controlled Demolition: a Short List of Observations
- Momentum Transfer Analysis of the Collapse of the Upper Storeys of WTC1

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post Nov 4 2006, 04:57 AM
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QUOTE (lederhosn @ Nov 3 2006, 05:51 PM)
Hello Havey.

Because the floors DID NOT pancake on each other. Even NIST investigated it and came also to that conclusion - 4 years after the truthers (more to this from Kevin Ryan and Steven Jones, they will answer your questions - watch my signature please).

The plumes of smoke definitly do not only occur under the falling floors, but even 20 to 30 floors deeper - and that`s no air compression. And would the air blowing out being filled with debris and dust when it only came from a compression effect? Surely not.

And calculate the time of collapse - it`s almost freefall. Not possible with pancake.

Here`s a video of the sinking antenna
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4026073566596731782

And you should watch this one:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4026073566596731782

For more scientifical information and detail please visit "journalof911studies.com":
- 9/11 - Evidence for Controlled Demolition: a Short List of Observations
- Momentum Transfer Analysis of the Collapse of the Upper Storeys of WTC1

Hi lederhosn
You have a point about the smoke bursting out under the falling part of the building, you know the plumes of smoke. I havnt thought that mutch about the plums being smoke, and not just air, but still that air is compresed withinn the building and that it findes the easiest way out, and that being somwhere below the falling debre and building I dont find that imposible. Atleast I would not take that to be important or profe.

Yes, its trud that NIST has abanden the ide of pancaking, but they havent replaced the teory with anything realy ... as of what I know.
We agree on that the faaling time is important, my point is that it is the most important thing.
http://www.911speakout.org/CollapseCalcs.zip

I will check out the link you provided, thanks.
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post Nov 4 2006, 05:04 AM
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Hi again lederhosn, your links are both to same documentary in video.google ... there is a shore video of the falling antenna somwhere, if you have a link I would apriciate it.
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post Nov 4 2006, 05:36 AM
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Havey, sorry, here`s the right link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8808631439471226055

And you said it, NIST replaced the pancake-theory with nothing. Only the tweaked computer model brought the results needed, but the kind of tweaking (which parameters) wasn`t publicated. Besides the plumes there are so many other "coincidences" worth looking for, these NIST never investigated. nonono.gif
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QUOTE (lederhosn @ Nov 4 2006, 04:36 AM)
Havey, sorry, here`s the right link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8808631439471226055

And you said it, NIST replaced the pancake-theory with nothing. Only the tweaked computer model brought the results needed, but the kind of tweaking (which parameters) wasn`t publicated. Besides the plumes there are so many other "coincidences" worth looking for, these NIST never investigated. nonono.gif

ehh .. I was about to ask if the soundtrack was original ... it is not.
Knowing that the antenna is falling first it is visible in that fottage, but there is a mutch clerar fottage showing the hole antenna falling, from a different angel ... I will post it if/when I come acros it again.

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