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Jan 3 2007, 12:42 PM
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Jan 25 2007, 12:49 AM
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∞* M E R C U R I A L *∞ Group: Valued Member Posts: 5,870 Joined: 25-August 06 From: SFO Member No.: 16 |
George, your choice of a concentric circle as a schematic for the way people socialize into what you're calling matuity is indicative of an "old school" way of thinking about what an individual actually is. I grant this is a model of how you see yourself, perhaps how we all see ourselves; but the fact is it is a flawed epistemology and THAT is part of the problem.
Take the human organism as an example. Where is the "central most cell" in that organism? You see, an organism -- and ecological systems ARE organisms -- has no "one place" that is a center. Or you could just as well say that "every place" is the center. It's true, we think of ourselves as independent individuals each at the center of our own reality bubble but that is just the problem: That VIEW contains within it the very seeds of our current predicament. Lets take this from the most basic perspective. Lets talk, for a moment, about "an atom" -- which we like to think of as the "building blocks" of our physical world. Well, "atoms" are very peculiar things as I'm sure you know; they behave under certain conditions as particles and under other observed parameters they exhibit the qualities of waves. Some have put forward the notion "wavical" to try and accommodate this apparent contradiction within our mind-set or ordinary paradigm. (Note, there is no 'contradiction' but what there is is an error in our epistemology or way of understanding the world.) But, of course, as well as all this, the "atom" is composed of "sub atomic particles" which, when we try and observe them more closely, exhibit very quixotic (and "chaotic") properties, when we can "observe" them at all. Here's what I'm getting at. We have this idea of ONE THING -- but there is no ONE THING anywhere in the universe. ONE THING is a concept, and that is all it is. It functions as a way of understanding things. For example, I have sitting next to me "A CUP." All well and good. I can point to "THE cup," I can pick it up, drink from it, put it down, wash it out or throw it away. This all makes perfect sense -- but it isn't reality. The fact is, there is no "THE cup" at all; what there is is a field of energy formed of matter which itself is formed of molecules which themselves are formed of atoms where are formed of sub-atomic 'particles' and so on. As long as I stay in relation to the cup at the level of my physical body, it is easy enough for me to relate to the cup as a 'thing'. But if I begin to get right down into what 'the thing' IS, what I discover is that it, well, NOT ONE THING at all -- but a very complex relationship of 'things' (including empty space and energy in constant flux). As much as this is true for this cup, it is far more true for you and I and everyone and everything else on this planet manifesting in this particular time frame we call 'our life times'. When you get right down to it, where do "I" end and where do "I" begin? Am I not, more than anything else, a figment of my own imagination? Where is the inner and outer boundary of "you"? You think it is you skin, perhaps, and you can get away with thinking that for a while, even though it isn't so. YOU are made up of fields of energy AND energy is information. (Gregory Bateson, one of the geniuses of the last century had a lot to say on this topic and you can find it in the form of a lecture he presented in 1970 in the Library section of my web site, HERE.) Your are in a constant state of energy exchange with your environment -- and this is true whether we're talking about exchanges of oxygen and nitrogen or exchanges of matter as food or waste as fertelizer or energy as intelligence and 'mind' on a global scale. Whether we like it or not we are all apart of one another and a part of 'the whole' that is life on Earth-- and this isn't a metaphor or a nice, "newagey" and poetic way of thinking. It is a far more acurate epistemology than the one that underlies your assumed concentric individualism. So, where am I going with this? What I'm putting forward to you is the possibility that people's view of themselves and the world in which they exist, first of all, is not 'fixed' and 'unchangeable' but, quite the contrary, part of a process of unfolding through time. You realize that it was only 500 years ago that people began to get the idea that the earth wasn't flat and that the sun didn't go round and round in the heavens along with the stars. What we call the Renaissance was in fact the beginning of a revolution in human understanding that has brought us to this day. Prior to this time, if you'd told someone that the Earth was round, they would have thought you insane, or, perhaps worse, some sort of demon or witch, and would have dealt with you accordingly. That is no longer the case. So, you see, things change -- albeit not necessarily as we would like. If you read the Bateson lecture I pointed to, you'll see that he said THEN that, given the THEN flow of history, we had maybe 30 years to begin to learn to "think in the new way" (as he called it) before our old epistemological habits destroyed us. His time frame has unfortunately turned out to be fairly accurate. Now, here we are. The thing I see, though, is that the ideas that Bateson (and many others at that time) was putting forward into the intellectual ecology of our civilization haven't born fruit -- not so much because they are beyond people as they do something which was CONSCIOUSLLY NOT WANTED by a very select group of individuals. The PTB elite -- whatever you want to call them -- got it: The consequence of this "new way of thinking" invariably led to A DECENTRALIZATION OF THE MARKETS, especially the energy markets -- and thus they intentionally began to 'suppress' these ideas -- by academic negligence if nothing else. In any event, they were NOT 'popularized' and this has led to all sorts of dissonance within our society -- indeed led us to the very precipice we find ourselves on today. The interesting thing, to me, is that IDEAS have a life of their own. Although I can imagine an 'apocalypse' of various sorts (and have been anticipating one my whole life), I can also imagine other alternatives. The world is transforming right in front of us, and you and I and everyone else reading these words are a part of that transformation. It may be that horrible things are yet going to come our way that will make 9/11 and New Orleans -- even Hiroshima and Nagasaki -- look tame by comparison. That really is possible. Perhaps the very scenarios we've seen on film -- such as "The Day After Tomorrow"-- will unfold. But one thing I've learned in my almost 60 years of existing on this planet: THE FUTURE IS NEVER EXACTLY THE WAY I THINK IT WILL BE. It always surprises me. And given my propensity, that is a good thing. In certain respects it may very well be that this whole enterprise that is unfolding around us is the DEATH THROWS of a particular HIERARCHICAL form of social organization which humanity is now ready to over-throw once and for all. Seriously. No, it won't happen overnight and it won't happen as a consequence of one 'issue' -- even one as big as 9/11 -- but don't ever think it can't happen. It can, and it just might. |
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