Restricted Us Airspace, Was DC airspace restricted? Options

[astronut]

Need to verify that DC airspace was restricted and around what radius of the Pentagon or DC. Is this analysis already posted somewhere? I can't tell from air charts at Sky Vector http://skyvector.com/
and would need to teach myself to read the chart to be conclusive (not a pilot myself, just ground and mechanical experience). If any has already, or would like to offer a description of how the airspace is restricted now compared to pre-9/11 on older maps (in case they have modified it to hide tracks) and any verification on the difference between military and civilian "friend or foe" beacon. This stems from a coastguard member stating,

"Once again...hundreds of planes fly through DC everyday. So is the missile system going to shoot down every plane that flys over the Pentagon?"

So, it sounds like a solid tidbit of evidence to put together that can be used beyond this military skeptic who has less aviation knowledge than at least I do. What help can be offered on this? Thanks, Larry

[pinnacle]

Sky vector shows area P-56 A and B which are prohibited to all aircraft.
They are around the White House and Capitol but the Pentagon is outside of P-56 and is across the river so would not be in restricted airspace.
The white plane flew directly over both the White House and Capitol so it was either violating restricted airspace or was given permission for some reason.
In either case their should be records of what it was doing there.

[jo56]

http://web.nbaa.org/public/ops/airspace/re...00606190223.php


http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/air_traffic/frz.html


Does this tell you what you want to know?

This post has been edited by jo56: Jan 4 2007, 06:28 PM

[astronut]

This page has the written details effective June 19, 2006,

http://web.nbaa.org/public/ops/airspace/re...190223.php#full

This one, is the one that preceeded the current one and dated June 30, 2001,

http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/notam_actual_6_2545.html

Can anyone analyze them for differences that affect air space then and now, in layman terms? I'm not a pilot.

Additionally, the pre-9/11 one combined and replaced these 6 others,

5/9477, 5/1254, 4/5555, 5/9481, 5/9482, 6/0465,

But I can find no copies or records of them. What did they possibly change regarding DC airspace on June 30, 2001 with NOTAM 6/2545?

Thanks, Larry

[jo56]

I'm no expert, but here's a pilot talking about this zone.

http://commerce.senate.gov/hearings/testim...529&wit_id=4311

ADIZ Checklist:

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2003/031403_check.pdf

This post has been edited by jo56: Jan 5 2007, 06:08 PM

[amazed!]

Does anybody know whether or not the remains of any pax or flight crew or flight attendant was found in the rubble at WTC? I have heard conflicting stories and thought somebody here might know.

[rob balsamo]

Washington Class Bravo Airspace



Definition of Class Bravo
(a) Operating rules. No person may operate an aircraft within a Class B airspace area except in compliance with §91.129 and the following rules:

(1) The operator must receive an ATC clearance from the ATC facility having jurisdiction for that area before operating an aircraft in that area.


Communications and navigation equipment requirements. Unless otherwise authorized by ATC, no person may operate an aircraft within a Class B airspace area unless that aircraft is equipped with—

(2) For all operations. An operable two-way radio capable of communications with ATC on appropriate frequencies for that Class B airspace area.

(d) Transponder requirements. No person may operate an aircraft in a Class B airspace area unless the aircraft is equipped with the applicable operating transponder and automatic altitude reporting equipment specified in paragraph (a) of §91.215, except as provided in paragraph (d) of that section.


http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-....2.4.18&idno=14

My commentary -
Considering an 'aircraft target' penetrated that HUGE area you see above on Sept 11.. and was NOT intercepted.. there HAD TO BE a stand down order.

The media usually only shows you P-56 which is a very small area surrounding the White House and Capitol. What they fail to show you are the REAL dimensions of Class Bravo Airspace and its restrictions.

Hope this helps.

Call me anytime if you need to know more Larry.

Rob

[jo56]

Great graphic, Rob!

[astronut]

Hi,
Thanks much guys for the help and info. The map and description is exactly what I was looking for. Unfortunately, I have been tipped off, and determined on my own, that the site I was refutting at is controlled by the government, and I was up against paid debunkers. I figured it out when I noticed that while my posts were shoing directly in the thread itself, they were not listing individually on the digest page. The remark that "the movie "9/11: Press for Truth" is nothing but a bunch of whining family victims being interviewed by foreigners" was another solid tipoff. So I left with a kind "F**K OFF American Traitors, I hope you are sitting on the wrong side of a jury trial someday."

But, some good has come of this since it has helped determine and clarify the concerns about restricted airspace over DC. Thanks for the help all. Is there an archive page for conclusive supporting evidence that this can be stored at? It should be allowed to go to the wayside.

Keep up the good work guys.

Thanks, Larry

[rob balsamo]

Keep up the good work guys.

Thanks, Larry

Glad to help out Larry,

Sanders would be the one to archive this in the Library.. i'll notify him.

Feel free to let me know if there is anything else you need.

Rob

[waterdancer]

An archived version of JDX's pic (in case it disappears on us) is at http://www.webcitation.org/5LmZHLgoD

This topic is archived in the Pentagon: and American Fl. 77 section of the library.

This post has been edited by waterdancer: Jan 10 2007, 03:18 AM

[astronut]

Correction "should be allowed to go to the wayside". Thanks, Larry

[George Hayduke]

Barbara Honegger in her essay in the back of Jim Marrs' most recent book and also published here, http://physics911.net/pdf/honegger.pdf, states that the Pentagon had automated anti-aircraft missile systems and that only American military planes could have sent out the "friend" signal necessary to keep from getting blown out of the sky were it to enter Pentagon airspace.

"Only a military aircraft, not a civilian plane flown by al Qaeda, would have given off the “Friendly” signal needed to disable the Pentagon’s anti-aircraft missile batteries as it approached the building. Only the US military, not al Qaeda, had the ability to break all of its Standard Operating Procedures to paralyze its own emergency response system."