The Gate 26/32 question, Where did AA 11 departure? Options

[woody]

Some of you may know that there are conflicting accounts regarding the departure gate of AA 11. Some sources say it was Gate 26, some say Gate 32.

I gathered the evidence here (my first 9/11 piece):

http://de.geocities.com/woody_box2000/TwinFlight.html

The 9/11 Commission Report was published half a year later and presented - in my eyes - confirmation for the oddities at Logan Airport. F.I. in the footnotes we learn that some of the passengers of Flight 11 boarded the plane after the push-back! Can any aviation expert tell me how this is possible? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

9. See TSA report, "Selectee Status of September 11th Hijackers," undated. For boarding and seating information, see AAL record, SABRE information on Flight 11, Sept. 11, 2001.These boarding times from the American system are approximate only; for Flight 11, they indicated that some passengers "boarded" after the aircraft had pushed back from the gate. See AAL response to the Commission's February 3, 2004, requests, Mar. 15, 2004.

Chapter I, note 9

But there's more, even better:

6. For Flight 11, two checkpoints provided access to the gate. The second was opened at 7:15 A.M. The FAA conducted many screener evaluations between September 11, 1999, and September 11, 2001.At the primary checkpoints, in aggregate, screeners met or exceeded the average for overall, physical search, and X-ray detection, while falling below the norm for metal detection. No FAA Special Assessments (by "red teams") were done at Logan security checkpoints during the two years prior to September 11, 2001. See FAA briefing materials, "Assessment and Testing Data for BOS, EWR, and IAD," Oct. 24, 2001.

Chapter I, Note 6

I was wondering why two checkpoints provide access to one gate. I always thought one checkpoint provides access to multiple gates.

Loose Change member JackD has provided me with a nice map of the AA Terminal at Logan:

http://i.elias-savion.com/11/59/en-us/docu...boston_b_aa.pdf

Obviously, there is only one security checkpoint for Gate 32 (the gate favoured by the 9/11 Commission). But - and this is interesting - Gate 26 has to be entered through a different checkpoint.

Is that what the 9/11 Commission means? One checkpoint for each gate? But why don't they mention gate 26, and which of the planes was Flight 11, anyway?

Do multiple checkpoints for one gate make sense at all?

Anyone here familiar with Logan Airport?

[DANDPT]

Of course, by now, they've probably caught up with this and created some more relatives and listed them as having taken compensation, but here's how it stood in 2008 for one researcher:

Excerpts from the site at:
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blo...08/08/23/p28037

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As everyone who is involved in exposing the 9-11 cover-up knows, nothing concerning 9-11 is as it seems. Whether it's the magic jet that our government told us crashed into the Pentagon, the obvious missing jet at Shanksville (Flight 93), the three perfect demolitions of the World Trade Center towers, or the fact that Arab hijackers are still alive and their supposed ring leader Osama bin Laden has the ability to change his facial features at will. Nothing, I repeat, nothing about the government/controlled media version of 9-11 makes any sense.
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In addition, I had just discovered Black Op Radio earlier in the year and found an interesting show in their archives (# 156) on which Ellen and Mr. Berg appeared as guests. This may be the single biggest point concerning 9-11, and hopefully the last nail in the coffin of our government's lies. During this broadcast, Mrs. Mariani said that she was the only relative of all the passengers that died on Flight 175 that crashed into the South Tower. Her lawyer, Phil Berg, repeated this statement.
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9-11 Victims Compensation Fund

This is where our government opened up the Treasury and gave family members of those who lost their lives that day lots of money. In return, these families were basically told to shut up about anything else concerning 9-11. (Considering all the lies surrounding this horrific event, you can see why.)

At this point there is one thing we should never forget, and that is how powerful the notion of human greed is. Remember this concept as you read the number of victims whose family members sought compensation.

The names of the victims can be found on the CNN website.

Here are the results:

Flight 11: of the 92 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 20 are listed in the SSDI (22%)

Of these 20 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

Judy Larocque
Laurie Neira
Candace Lee Williams

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Flight 77: of the 64 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 14 are listed in the SSDI (22%)

Of these 64 people, only five on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

William Caswell
Eddie Dillard
Ian Gray
John Sammartino
Leonard Taylor

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Flight 175: of the 65 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 18 are listed in the SSDI (28%)

Of these 65 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

Michael C. Tarrou
Gloria Debarrera
Timothy Ward

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Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 6 are listed in the SSDI (13%)

Of these 45 people, none are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

No one

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Have you noticed anything strange yet? Of the passengers and crew of Flight 11, 77, 175 & 93, only 22%, 22%, 28%, 13% respectively are in the SSDI.

Remember human greed? Of the 266 people that we were told died on these jets, only 11 relatives applied for compensation. Can you believe that not a single relative from Flight 93 applied for compensation? I can't. Were all the relatives of the victims so rich that they weren't eligible to receive compensation? No, that's not it. (The minimum federal award was $250,000, and the average pay-out was about $1.8 million. The recipients only had to make agreement: they couldn’t sue the airlines.)

You should also know that most lawyers told their clients to take the money and run (which is what most lawyers would do - take the sure money). Ellen Mariani clearly elaborated on this point during her appearance on the radio show mentioned above.

Finally, during the past week, thanks to Lisa Guliani's insatiable quest for the truth, the 9-11 Victims Compensation Final Report has come to light.

9-11 Victims Compensation Final Report
http://www.usdoj.gov/final_report.pdf (7.79MB)

Oddly, but consistent with everything concerning 9-11, the actual complete list of the people who benefited has been omitted from this report. Even without this, it does contain an interesting fact. According to the report, 98% of all the people who suffered a loss on 9-11 took the fund money. The average payment was $1.8 million.

But here's where it gets strange. According to the government, here are the number of people who accepted the compensation fund:

Out of a total of 92 people on Flight 11, only 65 accepted the 9-11 fund (71%)
Out of a total of 65 people on Flight 175, only 46 accepted the 9-11 fund (71%)
Out of a total of 64 people on Flight 77, only 33 accepted the 9-11 fund (52%)
Out of a total of 45 people on Flight 93, only 25 accepted the 9-11 fund (56%)

Does any of this seem a little odd to you? Or is it possible that not only were the jets on 9-11 magical, but their passengers as well?

So there you have it; yet another glaring 9-11 inconsistency - just maybe the biggest of them all?

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August 23, 2008 Skeptically yours, Vincent Sammartino
http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/911passengerlist.html
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The google search string I used: "911 passenger compensation"
it pulls up plenty.


Happy Hunting
Obwon
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And just where do you think Captain John Ogonowski might be at the present time?

[Obwon]

And just where do you think Captain John Ogonowski might be at the present time?

That is not a fair question. It is beyond the scope of any and all theories that attempt to deal with the question of whether or not 9-11 was really an attack by foreign religious fundamentalist, or a false flag attack, designed and approved by some unknown persons inside the U.S. gov't, or otherwise on "this side of the ocean".

The better question, that should be asked, is; Did he arrive at the crash site on the plane the officials say he did? My theory says no. To explain how I arrive at this idea, is something I'll have to post in the "Alternative Theories" section. Look for it soon. But there is where you will be able to help me eliminate or affirm key points.

May I hope to welcome you there soon? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/pilotfly.gif)
Obwon

[DANDPT]

That is not a fair question. It is beyond the scope of any and all theories that attempt to deal with the question of whether or not 9-11 was really an attack by foreign religious fundamentalist, or a false flag attack, designed and approved by some unknown persons inside the U.S. gov't, or otherwise on "this side of the ocean".

The better question, that should be asked, is; Did he arrive at the crash site on the plane the officials say he did? My theory says no. To explain how I arrive at this idea, is something I'll have to post in the "Alternative Theories" section. Look for it soon. But there is where you will be able to help me eliminate or affirm key points.

May I hope to welcome you there soon? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/pilotfly.gif)
Obwon

OBWON-

I've settled the question of the origin of the 9-11 attacks for my personal satisfaction long ago. 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB

I'm trying to move along here.

"Did he arrive at the crash site on the on the plane the officials say he did?" I agree with you here. I would say NO.

Did he fly out of Logan on 9/11 on another, specially prepared aircraft, not N334AA? (from Gate 32) I'm thinking MAYBE/PROBABLY.

Did he and the crew knowingly play a role in the hi-jack exercise? I THINK THERE IS GOOD EVIDENCE FOR IT.

Where do you think Captain John Ogonowski and co-pilot Mc Guinness landed/or not- landed? WE HAVE NOT A CLUE.

If you are going to posit the disappearance of "imaginary passengers"; you also have to explain the disappearance of the real persons too.

Fair Question?

Looking forward to your posts and advancements on these issues.

Thanks, Dan

[Obwon]

OBWON-

I've settled the question of the origin of the 9-11 attacks for my personal satisfaction long ago. 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB

I'm trying to move along here.

"Did he arrive at the crash site on the on the plane the officials say he did?" I agree with you here. I would say NO.

Did he fly out of Logan on 9/11 on another, specially prepared aircraft, not N334AA? (from Gate 32) I'm thinking MAYBE/PROBABLY.

Did he and the crew knowingly play a role in the hi-jack exercise? I THINK THERE IS GOOD EVIDENCE FOR IT.

Where do you think Captain John Ogonowski and co-pilot Mc Guinness landed/or not- landed? WE HAVE NOT A CLUE.

If you are going to posit the disappearance of "imaginary passengers"; you also have to explain the disappearance of the real persons too.

Fair Question?

Looking forward to your posts and advancements on these issues.

Thanks, Dan

Thanks Dan:

You are asking a very good and important question, but it's not one that needs to be answered in order for the investigation of the impacts to go forward.

Yes... I would have to agree that it would be a fair question, IF:
1. We knew that he was actually in Boston that day.
2. That he was, in fact the pilot, flying any aircraft on that day.
3. That he actually even came to the airport, was not spirited off or
lured to some other place for "capture".

What we are left to deal with first and foremost, is the major components that have been stated by official and/or mechanical means, to have left a supposedly verifiable evidence trail that day. Thus we follow the 100 ton aircraft and their data points that must be there.
For many of which we have more than one indication of as "corroboration".

The pilots and passengers are a "special case" that is outside the scope of the events, once the planes they are supposed to have been aboard, are eliminated as the source of the "impacts". Thus, we don't know who was on those planes, nor do we know where they went. But that doesn't matter, in this frame, because it isn't necessary, to prove that there were any passengers or pilots at all.

In short: If a magician pulls a rabbit out of an empty hat, do we really need to know where the rabbit came from, in order to prove that a rabbit cannot be pulled from an empty hat?
So the data on the passengers and pilots are of the same order of question. Trying to force a connection, with the idea that if one fails to locate the passengers and crew, one cannot then fashion ideas about the impacts, jumps to the false conclusion, that science cannot be used to examine specific events, without being expected to explain other events that are seemingly connected.

Therefore:

My question is: How could aircraft have impacted the buildings, given the data we have been given?

While:

Your question appears to be: How could we know that planes did not impact the buildings, if we don't know where the passengers and crew went?

I know you're not asking this question in reality, but it's the question that is implied by what you've said.

As far as the pilots and/or crew, having played a role in 9-11, we can't yet know that, without knowing if they were even involved in any way. The "authorities" have control of the records of things that are not on display here, like the recorded flights. We do know that over the years, they have become ever more adroit at creating records of things that have not happened and inserting them into the official records stream. Thus, such records cannot be relied upon at all.

All we can say is: The official records released, do not support the official claims that have been made. The records they and the media have supplied, in support of the official story, actually show that no planes crashed into the towers, because the data those records contains, does not result in such events.

Obwon