The Gate 26/32 question, Where did AA 11 departure? Options

[woody]

Some of you may know that there are conflicting accounts regarding the departure gate of AA 11. Some sources say it was Gate 26, some say Gate 32.

I gathered the evidence here (my first 9/11 piece):

http://de.geocities.com/woody_box2000/TwinFlight.html

The 9/11 Commission Report was published half a year later and presented - in my eyes - confirmation for the oddities at Logan Airport. F.I. in the footnotes we learn that some of the passengers of Flight 11 boarded the plane after the push-back! Can any aviation expert tell me how this is possible? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

9. See TSA report, "Selectee Status of September 11th Hijackers," undated. For boarding and seating information, see AAL record, SABRE information on Flight 11, Sept. 11, 2001.These boarding times from the American system are approximate only; for Flight 11, they indicated that some passengers "boarded" after the aircraft had pushed back from the gate. See AAL response to the Commission's February 3, 2004, requests, Mar. 15, 2004.

Chapter I, note 9

But there's more, even better:

6. For Flight 11, two checkpoints provided access to the gate. The second was opened at 7:15 A.M. The FAA conducted many screener evaluations between September 11, 1999, and September 11, 2001.At the primary checkpoints, in aggregate, screeners met or exceeded the average for overall, physical search, and X-ray detection, while falling below the norm for metal detection. No FAA Special Assessments (by "red teams") were done at Logan security checkpoints during the two years prior to September 11, 2001. See FAA briefing materials, "Assessment and Testing Data for BOS, EWR, and IAD," Oct. 24, 2001.

Chapter I, Note 6

I was wondering why two checkpoints provide access to one gate. I always thought one checkpoint provides access to multiple gates.

Loose Change member JackD has provided me with a nice map of the AA Terminal at Logan:

http://i.elias-savion.com/11/59/en-us/docu...boston_b_aa.pdf

Obviously, there is only one security checkpoint for Gate 32 (the gate favoured by the 9/11 Commission). But - and this is interesting - Gate 26 has to be entered through a different checkpoint.

Is that what the 9/11 Commission means? One checkpoint for each gate? But why don't they mention gate 26, and which of the planes was Flight 11, anyway?

Do multiple checkpoints for one gate make sense at all?

Anyone here familiar with Logan Airport?

[DANDPT]

Of course, by now, they've probably caught up with this and created some more relatives and listed them as having taken compensation, but here's how it stood in 2008 for one researcher:

Excerpts from the site at:
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blo...08/08/23/p28037

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As everyone who is involved in exposing the 9-11 cover-up knows, nothing concerning 9-11 is as it seems. Whether it's the magic jet that our government told us crashed into the Pentagon, the obvious missing jet at Shanksville (Flight 93), the three perfect demolitions of the World Trade Center towers, or the fact that Arab hijackers are still alive and their supposed ring leader Osama bin Laden has the ability to change his facial features at will. Nothing, I repeat, nothing about the government/controlled media version of 9-11 makes any sense.
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In addition, I had just discovered Black Op Radio earlier in the year and found an interesting show in their archives (# 156) on which Ellen and Mr. Berg appeared as guests. This may be the single biggest point concerning 9-11, and hopefully the last nail in the coffin of our government's lies. During this broadcast, Mrs. Mariani said that she was the only relative of all the passengers that died on Flight 175 that crashed into the South Tower. Her lawyer, Phil Berg, repeated this statement.
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9-11 Victims Compensation Fund

This is where our government opened up the Treasury and gave family members of those who lost their lives that day lots of money. In return, these families were basically told to shut up about anything else concerning 9-11. (Considering all the lies surrounding this horrific event, you can see why.)

At this point there is one thing we should never forget, and that is how powerful the notion of human greed is. Remember this concept as you read the number of victims whose family members sought compensation.

The names of the victims can be found on the CNN website.

Here are the results:

Flight 11: of the 92 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 20 are listed in the SSDI (22%)

Of these 20 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

Judy Larocque
Laurie Neira
Candace Lee Williams

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Flight 77: of the 64 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 14 are listed in the SSDI (22%)

Of these 64 people, only five on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

William Caswell
Eddie Dillard
Ian Gray
John Sammartino
Leonard Taylor

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Flight 175: of the 65 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 18 are listed in the SSDI (28%)

Of these 65 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

Michael C. Tarrou
Gloria Debarrera
Timothy Ward

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Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 6 are listed in the SSDI (13%)

Of these 45 people, none are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

No one

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Have you noticed anything strange yet? Of the passengers and crew of Flight 11, 77, 175 & 93, only 22%, 22%, 28%, 13% respectively are in the SSDI.

Remember human greed? Of the 266 people that we were told died on these jets, only 11 relatives applied for compensation. Can you believe that not a single relative from Flight 93 applied for compensation? I can't. Were all the relatives of the victims so rich that they weren't eligible to receive compensation? No, that's not it. (The minimum federal award was $250,000, and the average pay-out was about $1.8 million. The recipients only had to make agreement: they couldn’t sue the airlines.)

You should also know that most lawyers told their clients to take the money and run (which is what most lawyers would do - take the sure money). Ellen Mariani clearly elaborated on this point during her appearance on the radio show mentioned above.

Finally, during the past week, thanks to Lisa Guliani's insatiable quest for the truth, the 9-11 Victims Compensation Final Report has come to light.

9-11 Victims Compensation Final Report
http://www.usdoj.gov/final_report.pdf (7.79MB)

Oddly, but consistent with everything concerning 9-11, the actual complete list of the people who benefited has been omitted from this report. Even without this, it does contain an interesting fact. According to the report, 98% of all the people who suffered a loss on 9-11 took the fund money. The average payment was $1.8 million.

But here's where it gets strange. According to the government, here are the number of people who accepted the compensation fund:

Out of a total of 92 people on Flight 11, only 65 accepted the 9-11 fund (71%)
Out of a total of 65 people on Flight 175, only 46 accepted the 9-11 fund (71%)
Out of a total of 64 people on Flight 77, only 33 accepted the 9-11 fund (52%)
Out of a total of 45 people on Flight 93, only 25 accepted the 9-11 fund (56%)

Does any of this seem a little odd to you? Or is it possible that not only were the jets on 9-11 magical, but their passengers as well?

So there you have it; yet another glaring 9-11 inconsistency - just maybe the biggest of them all?

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August 23, 2008 Skeptically yours, Vincent Sammartino
http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/911passengerlist.html
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The google search string I used: "911 passenger compensation"
it pulls up plenty.


Happy Hunting
Obwon
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And just where do you think Captain John Ogonowski might be at the present time?

[Obwon]

And just where do you think Captain John Ogonowski might be at the present time?

That is not a fair question. It is beyond the scope of any and all theories that attempt to deal with the question of whether or not 9-11 was really an attack by foreign religious fundamentalist, or a false flag attack, designed and approved by some unknown persons inside the U.S. gov't, or otherwise on "this side of the ocean".

The better question, that should be asked, is; Did he arrive at the crash site on the plane the officials say he did? My theory says no. To explain how I arrive at this idea, is something I'll have to post in the "Alternative Theories" section. Look for it soon. But there is where you will be able to help me eliminate or affirm key points.

May I hope to welcome you there soon? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/pilotfly.gif)
Obwon

[DANDPT]

That is not a fair question. It is beyond the scope of any and all theories that attempt to deal with the question of whether or not 9-11 was really an attack by foreign religious fundamentalist, or a false flag attack, designed and approved by some unknown persons inside the U.S. gov't, or otherwise on "this side of the ocean".

The better question, that should be asked, is; Did he arrive at the crash site on the plane the officials say he did? My theory says no. To explain how I arrive at this idea, is something I'll have to post in the "Alternative Theories" section. Look for it soon. But there is where you will be able to help me eliminate or affirm key points.

May I hope to welcome you there soon? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/pilotfly.gif)
Obwon

OBWON-

I've settled the question of the origin of the 9-11 attacks for my personal satisfaction long ago. 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB

I'm trying to move along here.

"Did he arrive at the crash site on the on the plane the officials say he did?" I agree with you here. I would say NO.

Did he fly out of Logan on 9/11 on another, specially prepared aircraft, not N334AA? (from Gate 32) I'm thinking MAYBE/PROBABLY.

Did he and the crew knowingly play a role in the hi-jack exercise? I THINK THERE IS GOOD EVIDENCE FOR IT.

Where do you think Captain John Ogonowski and co-pilot Mc Guinness landed/or not- landed? WE HAVE NOT A CLUE.

If you are going to posit the disappearance of "imaginary passengers"; you also have to explain the disappearance of the real persons too.

Fair Question?

Looking forward to your posts and advancements on these issues.

Thanks, Dan

[Sergio]

Did he and the crew knowingly play a role in the hi-jack exercise? I THINK THERE IS GOOD EVIDENCE FOR IT.

May I ask you where did you get such good evidence from?

This post has been edited by Sergio: Mar 24 2011, 02:51 PM

[DANDPT]

May I ask you where did you get such good evidence from?

Sergio-

I am suspicious of the fact that Ogonowski took the flight at all given the conflict with the activities planned at the farm in Dracut for 9/11.
(Was he the lead pilot for the exercise?)

I am extremely suspicious of the Betty Ong phone transcript. Does it sound genuine to you? She needed a couple of acting classes before being thrust into that role!

The ongoing "Operation Vigilant Guardian " Drill simulated hijacked planes. We know that for certain.

AA11 was a real plane pretending to be hijacked as part of the exercise.

Do you recall that when Lt. Col. Deskins at NORAD control took the call from Boston Center re:AA11, her first words were, "It must be part of the exercise!"?

That was a correct guess on her part ; I do believe.

Thanks, Dan

[Sergio]

Wait Dan, wait.

I am suspicious of the fact that Ogonowski took the flight at all given the conflict with the activities planned at the farm in Dracut for 9/11.
(Was he the lead pilot for the exercise?)

I may agree with you that some suspects point to this, however we are far from calling this evidence. All we can do at the moment is speculation. If you followed the thread, what we know so far is that John Ogonowski was not at the controls of Flight 198 coming from SFO. According to an account, he left Dracut early on 9/11 morning, drove his car to Logan as usual, then we have no clue. He may have embarked as pilot of the flight that took off from Gate 32 (wheels off time: 7:58), he may not. That he was the lead pilot of an exercise on AA11 is a suspect, but is not an evidence. Also, we would need confirmation from Walter Sorenson about his own account given as early as 2001 that John Ogonowski himself asked to fly that day, which is in blatant conflict with the account given by Margareth Ogonowski, that her husband would not like to fly on 9/11, but ended up "holding the line".

I am extremely suspicious of the Betty Ong phone transcript. Does it sound genuine to you? She needed a couple of acting classes before being thrust into that role!

It does not seem genuine at all to me, but this does not mean that we know where Betty Ong was at the time of the alleged mobile call. I speculate that that call was not real at all (just a recorded track created though a speech synthesizer or something similar). Another possibility is that the call was real, but Betty Ong was not flying on any real plane, but still on the ground (at Logan or somewhere else) as part of an hijack exercise. Again, we have questions unanswered and a lot of speculation, but we lack evidence.

AA11 was a real plane pretending to be hijacked as part of the exercise.

I tend to endorse this theory. The flight that took off from Gate 32 could be actually part of an exercise. Whether John Ogonowski and Betty Ong were on that flight or not we don't know. Also, we have evidence that at least some passengers embarked later on Gate 26. What happened later with them is one more question without an answer.