Famous "diagonal Cut Column", Metalsmith analysis |

Jan 15 2007, 11:56 AM
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Group: Newbie Posts: 13 Joined: 30-October 06 Member No.: 188 |
Hi,
first, I'd like to suggest the Pilots Forum to combine WTC 1 and 2 Forums. Many of the posted topics in each room pertain to both buildings. More than the pertain to a single building. It would be easier to know where to post if even all WTC posts were in just one room. So, not knowing which room to post this to, I chose WTC 1. With 5 years aviation and 25 years metal fabrication under my belt, I have written a paper that analyzes this famous photo. It also scrutinizes a photo used recently by "debunkers" when in fact, when looked at correctly, it supports the case for thermate at WTC. This paper leads to another regarding the USGS thermal images from Sept 16th and 23rd, 2001. I'm looking for as much feedback as possible on this before submitting to the various research sites for inclusion. http://www.centralmass911truth.org/diagonalcolumncut.html Thanks, Larry |
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Mar 4 2010, 02:37 AM
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Group: Student Forum Pilot Posts: 70 Joined: 29-April 07 Member No.: 1,004 |
I've never seen any forms being used for making a concrete core in any photos or videos of the towers.
Photos of the core columns show no concrete walls near them. The angle cut in question appears to have been accessible from all sides, so why cut a hole and cut the near side from within the column ? Why not cut the near side across first and then get along with the bizarre angle cutting on the sides ? The mentioning of putting guides inside the tube and even on the outside doesn't make a lot of sense in the case of demolition since, one, putting guides inside is kind of hard isn't it ? And the cuts don't have to be straight. I appreciate the insight that yes it could be done that way with a torch, although you'd need one with a tip that isn't a 90 degree angle at the end when doing the inside of the column. And in looking at the cut closer, it has markings as would be made with a torch but could be from something else. I am not experienced in cutter charges, and I wonder how they'd cut the near side. They would be attached on all four sides, I'd expect and melt the steel towards the center. Or maybe someone would cut a hole and put guides inside the column to lay the cutter charge to blow through the near side (kind of kidding). One thing I've never seen is how the columns were joined together one section to the next. It seems there are quite a few pictures of columns that are seperated at their ends, indicating the joints were weaker than the columns or the connections were caused to fail. Pictures of thermate cuts might give some comparisons if anyone can find any. The fact that nano-thermate was found in the dust, if Jones is correct, means that it was used somehow. Unless it was just being stored in all three buildings that came down at 60% and even 100% of free-fall acceleration in some cases. The molten steel reported by many expert witnesses several weaks after the attack in the basements and the intense heat of the collapse zone - when its obvious the fire is put out within the first two seconds of collapse, and any fire below the rubble would have been oxygen starved and was being flooded with water by the firemen, indicates another heat source capable of melting steel, which jet fuel and office furnishings can't do, and 80% of the collapsed building materials were cool to start with. So large questions remain, regardless of one column surrounded by photoshopped models. |
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Mar 4 2010, 03:35 AM
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Group: Active Forum Pilot Posts: 493 Joined: 14-November 07 Member No.: 2,482 |
I've never seen any forms being used for making a concrete core in any photos or videos of the towers. Photos of the core columns show no concrete walls near them. There is a very good reason why you have not seen concrete during construction, guiliani took the photos while the courts protect their hiding. Also there is a missing PBS video from 1990. (Update on search for missing PBS video by Dr. Ron Larsen.) together with 6000 files of photographs, 1000 audiotapes, and 15,000 videotapes. Wonder why that fact is not on every 9-11 conspiracy site. Wonder why this image, the only one of either of the towers core is only found on one 9-11 theory site, mine. (IMG:http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif) Wonder why the statement of Leslie Robertson, an engineer of records for the Twins on September 13, 2001 where his information to Newsweek identifies a concrete core is not on every 9-11 conspiracy web site. And particuarly wonder why AFTER you realize that this, (IMG:http://algoxy.com/psych/psyimages/femacore.gif) � Is the only official diagram of the towers core of any kind in existence. This post has been edited by Christophera: Mar 4 2010, 03:39 AM |
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astronut Famous "diagonal Cut Column" Jan 15 2007, 11:56 AM
waterdancer Hi Larry,
I just took a quick look. If I were you,... Jan 15 2007, 12:22 PM
astronut Hi,
The paper's intent was not designed to be ... Jan 17 2007, 03:47 PM
FM258 QUOTE (astronut @ Jan 17 2007, 02:47 PM)Hi,
T... Jan 17 2007, 06:21 PM
RickMason QUOTE (FM258 @ Jan 17 2007, 06:21 PM) Ahh... Feb 24 2010, 01:30 PM
RickMason QUOTE (FM258 @ Jan 17 2007, 06:21 PM) Ahh... Feb 24 2010, 01:38 PM
StevenDC QUOTE (FM258 @ Jan 17 2007, 05:21 PM)That I a... Jan 17 2007, 06:29 PM
FM258 QUOTE (StevenDC @ Jan 17 2007, 05:29 PM)QUOTE... Jan 17 2007, 06:35 PM
StevenDC I can respect that.
That pic is one of my first ... Jan 17 2007, 06:49 PM
FM258 QUOTE (StevenDC @ Jan 17 2007, 05:49 PM)I can... Jan 17 2007, 07:02 PM
FM258 QUOTE (FM258 @ Jan 17 2007, 07:02 PM) Thi... Sep 13 2009, 12:57 AM
hadmatter QUOTE (FM258 @ Sep 11 2009, 03:57 AM) I a... Sep 13 2009, 12:54 PM

FM258 QUOTE (hadmatter @ Sep 13 2009, 12:54 PM)... Sep 13 2009, 03:00 PM
JFK QUOTE (FM258 @ Sep 13 2009, 12:57 AM) I a... Sep 13 2009, 01:14 PM
FM258 QUOTE (JFK @ Sep 13 2009, 01:14 PM) The i... Sep 13 2009, 03:01 PM
StevenDC QUOTE (FM258 @ Jan 17 2007, 06:02 PM)This is ... Jan 17 2007, 07:25 PM
paranoia in case you're curious, there is alot of pics ... Jan 26 2007, 01:00 AM
waterdancer Not being a metal worker, I offer no opinions on w... Jan 26 2007, 02:14 AM
hiram QUOTE (waterdancer @ Jan 26 2007, 01:14 A... Feb 22 2010, 04:13 PM
dMole Many of the original FEMA high-res images can be f... Mar 7 2009, 11:17 PM
paranoia RE: Famous "diagonal Cut Column" Sep 13 2009, 03:06 PM
FM258 QUOTE (paranoia @ Sep 13 2009, 03:06 PM) ... Sep 13 2009, 03:11 PM
paranoia anytime mate, you're welcome!
ps - th... Sep 13 2009, 03:30 PM
DoYouEverWonder Here's the image in context.
Sam Hollenshe... Sep 13 2009, 06:28 PM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Sep 13 2009, 06... Sep 15 2009, 10:28 PM
elreb For the record, I am a “Union” trained/certified p... Feb 21 2010, 08:34 PM
DoYouEverWonder Aside from the angle cut beam covered in slag, the... Feb 21 2010, 11:00 PM
FM258 QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Feb 21 2010, 11... Feb 23 2010, 06:30 PM

DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (FM258 @ Feb 23 2010, 05:30 PM) Nic... Feb 23 2010, 07:26 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Feb 22 2010, 04... Feb 24 2010, 12:45 PM
Obwon QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Feb 21 2010, 10... Apr 19 2011, 06:02 PM
albertchampion the sonicbomb footage is great.
if real, that in ... Feb 22 2010, 02:39 AM
elreb Did anyone watch National Geographic and the FEMA ... Feb 22 2010, 03:08 PM
elreb In the fireman group photo, I count six men...can ... Feb 22 2010, 05:26 PM
bobcat46 It is obvious that the diagonal cut column is stil... Feb 23 2010, 11:57 AM
BADBURD This is a picture of 2 diagonal cut columns during... Feb 23 2010, 03:46 PM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (BADBURD @ Feb 23 2010, 02:46 PM) T... Feb 23 2010, 04:05 PM
Maha Mantra One question would be why a welder would cut the b... Feb 23 2010, 10:35 PM
elreb Trying to stay on topic “Famous diagonal Cut Colum... Feb 23 2010, 11:11 PM
bobcat46 In reviewing literally hundreds of pictures from G... Feb 24 2010, 01:57 PM
Christophera QUOTE (bobcat46 @ Feb 22 2010, 04:57 PM) ... Feb 24 2010, 02:42 PM
RickMason Well, as is my practice, I stand corrected. Christ... Feb 25 2010, 12:09 PM
elreb Ok, I’ll admit when I wrong.
We are talking abou... Feb 25 2010, 01:14 AM
RickMason Hey, shouldn't these firemen cast dark shadows... Feb 25 2010, 12:20 PM

Christophera QUOTE (RickMason @ Feb 23 2010, 03:20 PM)... Feb 25 2010, 03:22 PM

BADBURD QUOTE (Christophera @ Feb 25 2010, 01:22 ... Feb 25 2010, 04:27 PM

Christophera QUOTE (BADBURD @ Feb 23 2010, 06:27 PM) I... Feb 25 2010, 04:41 PM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (elreb @ Feb 25 2010, 12:14 AM) Ok,... Feb 25 2010, 05:08 PM
SanderO The core did not contain an "enclosure of con... Feb 25 2010, 04:25 PM
amazed! Long time no see, Christophera!
I hope yo... Feb 25 2010, 10:40 PM
Christophera QUOTE (amazed! @ Feb 24 2010, 01:40 A... Feb 26 2010, 10:25 PM
SanderO There was no concrete enclosure of the cores and y... Feb 26 2010, 10:41 PM
Christophera QUOTE (SanderO @ Feb 25 2010, 12:41 AM) T... Feb 27 2010, 12:32 AM
albertchampion and though i cannot discern the construction reali... Feb 27 2010, 03:57 AM
SanderO Those photos are not showing what you claim they a... Feb 27 2010, 08:20 AM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (SanderO @ Feb 27 2010, 07:20 AM) T... Feb 27 2010, 09:21 AM
Christophera QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Feb 25 2010, 11... Feb 27 2010, 01:57 PM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (Christophera @ Feb 27 2010, 12:57 ... Feb 27 2010, 02:16 PM
BADBURD QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Feb 27 2010, 12... Feb 27 2010, 07:44 PM
Christophera QUOTE (BADBURD @ Feb 25 2010, 10:44 PM) I... Feb 27 2010, 09:43 PM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (Christophera @ Feb 27 2010, 08:43 ... Mar 1 2010, 04:20 PM
BADBURD The 1967 book on engineering marvels called ... Feb 27 2010, 09:39 AM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (BADBURD @ Feb 27 2010, 08:39 AM) T... Feb 27 2010, 10:35 AM
SwingDangler I see workers on ground zero inhaling the cause of... Feb 27 2010, 12:09 PM
SanderO View this movie made during the construction of th... Feb 27 2010, 12:22 PM
Christophera QUOTE (SanderO @ Feb 25 2010, 02:22 PM) V... Mar 4 2010, 03:27 PM
elreb Just to be fair…I looked this up. You be the judge... Mar 1 2010, 01:59 PM
Christophera QUOTE (elreb @ Feb 27 2010, 03:59 PM) Jus... Mar 4 2010, 03:25 PM

woodbourne The Newsweek article you site does not contain a q... Mar 19 2010, 07:18 PM
Obwon The Core Structure Of The World Trade Center Tower... Apr 19 2011, 07:36 PM
Obwon Ah, yes, now I remember.
As a sometimes visitor ... Apr 19 2011, 08:12 PM
Paul Ok then we have hard evidence of controlled demoli... Mar 4 2010, 08:20 AM
Paul Check out this shot look at all the smoke near the... Mar 5 2010, 07:48 AM
Maha Mantra I think there is plenty of visual proof of steel c... Mar 19 2010, 02:57 PM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (Maha Mantra @ Mar 19 2010, 02:57 P... Mar 19 2010, 03:12 PM
Paul Does anybody notice in this video how the tower be... Mar 29 2010, 05:04 AM
Paul Check this out guys some silly little amatuer kidd... Apr 2 2010, 05:17 AM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (Paul @ Apr 2 2010, 05:17 AM) Check... Apr 2 2010, 07:21 AM
SanderO That's rubbish and disinformation. The eleva... Apr 19 2011, 08:40 PM
Obwon QUOTE (SanderO @ Apr 19 2011, 07:40 PM) T... Apr 20 2011, 07:49 AM
Paul I have found pictures of a suspect outer perimeter... Apr 20 2011, 10:56 AM
DoYouEverWonder Here's your single piece of evidence:
This ... Apr 20 2011, 02:45 PM
SanderO Paul,
The columns pictured in the video are from ... Apr 20 2011, 06:20 PM
amazed! Paul
For many of us, the OCT has been down the tu... Apr 21 2011, 10:10 PM
bobcat46 Amazed!
I am afraid you are right. America w... Apr 24 2011, 11:38 PM
SanderO Of course we don't know the truth, we know the... Apr 25 2011, 08:31 PM
ScaffoldRider I don't know if this photo has been posted her... Apr 25 2011, 09:03 PM
ScaffoldRider I was waiting for my friend to send me new photos ... Apr 25 2011, 09:30 PM
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