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White Jet Analysis, Plane Seen Flying Over Pentagon/DC

post Dec 20 2006, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE (pinnacle @ Dec 20 2006, 07:33 PM)
Check out the new Doubletree videos that show an "object" circling the Pentagon at
9:23 am.
This is hard to make out but appears to be a white plane making a right banking turn.
There is a flash of white as the sun hits the wing then we see the shadowed underside
as it flies back across frame.
The White Plane leaves, then Flight 77 hits at 9:38 am, than CNN, BBC, and Telemundo video shows the white plane is over the White House at 9:43 am. and then the ABC video shows the white plane again near the Pentagon at 9:50 am.
Lots of hard evidence and no "journalists" asking a single question.

Maybe the E-4B was the command and control aircraft that commanded/controlled whatever hit the pentagon? Seems logical. dunno.gif
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post Dec 20 2006, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE (pinnacle @ Dec 20 2006, 02:33 PM)
The White Plane leaves, then Flight 77 hits at 9:38 am,

"Flight 77" is never positively identified either on radar, FDR, eyewitnesses or parts that it impacted the pentagon. So im not sure why people keep saying "Flight 77 impacted the pentagon".


Until it is positively identified as American Airlines Flight 77, all we know is that there was an unidentified aircraft in the area and conflicts within the govt story as to whether or not it hit the pentagon.
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post Dec 21 2006, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE (johndoeX @ Dec 20 2006, 11:36 PM)
QUOTE (pinnacle @ Dec 20 2006, 02:33 PM)

The White Plane leaves, then Flight 77 hits at 9:38 am,

"Flight 77" is never positively identified either on radar, FDR, eyewitnesses or parts that it impacted the pentagon. So im not sure why people keep saying "Flight 77 impacted the pentagon".

I believe pinnacle is just quoting the official story as to what time FL.77 allegedly hit the pentagon.
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post Dec 21 2006, 07:19 PM
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yeah. i know.. im just giving him a hard time.. dont mind me.. wink.gif

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post Dec 21 2006, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE (johndoeX @ Dec 21 2006, 11:19 PM)
yeah. i know.. im just giving him a hard time.. dont mind me.. wink.gif

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Alrighty then! laugh.gif cheers.gif
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post Dec 21 2006, 07:32 PM
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I am not an expert on the "missile" theory so I just
use the official version of "flight 77", whatever it actually was,
hitting the Pentagon. The thing that interests me are the bizarre manuvers of the white plane all over the scene of the crime for an extended period of time that has escaped most investigators entirely despite a great deal of evidence and witnesses.
For all we know this plane could have been in New York during the WTC strike and flown to Washington in about a half hour at full speed of 600 mph. It apparently
approached along the same southern route as the "phantom flight 11" which triggered the Langley fighter scramble.
Also the F-16 pilots heard a radio call at 9:33 warning "all aircraft" to stay 30 miles from Washington or be shot down. Nobody has identified who made that call.
Could it have been made by the "white plane" itself? They had enough radio gear to run a nuclear war from the air.
It could have fired a missile, it could have remote controlled an actual airliner, it, could have relayed all the cell phone calls and projected fake radar targets, it could do almost anything with a crew of 114 electronics experts on board
and 260 million bucks in advanced radar and radio equipment.
Interestingly Rumsfeld flew the E-4B when he went to Iraq but Gates apparently
only gets to use a C-17. At least I did not see an E-4B in the news coverage of
Gates in Iraq today.
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All very interesting pinnacle! So many questions and not enough answers. :ph43r:
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post Dec 22 2006, 02:44 PM
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In Air Force publications before 9/11 the E-4B was often held up as a model of "24 hour worldwide government communications in time of war", It has enough electrical generating capacity to power a small city of 15,000 people.
It has satellite dishes for instant communication anywhere on earth.
It has a five mile long wire antenna that deploys out the tail for communicating with submerged nuclear submarines.
A plane with these amazing capabilities surely could have told NORAD and the National Military Command Center where to direct those fighters from Langley that were heading for Baltimore as it flew over Washington D.C. if it was interested in actually defending Washington.
Yet according to the 9/11 Commission nobody in the White House or the Pentagon had any knowledge that an E-4B was anywhere near Washington during this "crisis", and instead sent a propellor driven C-130 to chase a jet airliner
when the E-4B was already in the area and could fly faster than the 757.
Presumably the E-4B has some kind of defensive missiles that it might have used to shoot down Flight 77 so the fact that it did nothing only adds to the perfectly reasonable speculation that it was facilitating the attack and not trying top prevent it.
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post Dec 22 2006, 02:48 PM
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Quoted for Effect:

Yet according to the 9/11 Commission nobody in the White House or the Pentagon had any knowledge that an E-4B was anywhere near Washington during this "crisis", and instead sent a propellor driven C-130 to chase a jet airliner when the E-4B was already in the area and could fly faster than the 757.
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QUOTE (pinnacle @ Dec 22 2006, 06:44 PM)
In Air Force publications before 9/11 the E-4B was often held up as a model of "24 hour worldwide government communications in time of war", It has enough electrical generating capacity to power a small city of 15,000 people.
It has satellite dishes for instant communication anywhere on earth.
It has a five mile long wire antenna that deploys out the tail for communicating with submerged nuclear submarines.
A plane with these amazing capabilities surely could have told NORAD and the National Military Command Center where to direct those fighters from Langley that were heading for Baltimore as it flew over Washington D.C. if it was interested in actually defending Washington.
Yet according to the 9/11 Commission nobody in the White House or the Pentagon had any knowledge that an E-4B was anywhere near Washington during this "crisis", and instead sent a propellor driven C-130 to chase a jet airliner
when the E-4B was already in the area and could fly faster than the 757.
Presumably the E-4B has some kind of defensive missiles that it might have used to shoot down Flight 77 so the fact that it did nothing only adds to the perfectly reasonable speculation that it was facilitating the attack and not trying top prevent it.

Very good information pinnacle. I am very pleased that you are a member here and sharing this info with us. thumbsup.gif cheers.gif
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post Dec 27 2006, 08:09 PM
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Welcome to all our guests from ....

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=100955

And yes.. its an E4B, not Air Force One (gee.. you would think a Military photo forum would know how to visually ID an aircraft...lol)

Cheers!
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post Dec 27 2006, 09:42 PM
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And as Bonez point out in his first post in the thread the planes were involved in wargames 9/11.
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"Because of Global Guardian, three special military command aircraft with sophisticated communications equipment, based at Offutt, are up in the air the morning of 9/11. These E-4B National Airborne Operations Center planes—nicknamed “Doomsday” planes during the Cold War—are intended to control nuclear forces from the air in times of crisis. They are capable of acting as alternative command posts for top government officials from where they can direct US forces, execute war orders and coordinate the actions of civil authorities in times of national emergency. The Federal Advisory Committee (whose chairman is retired Lt. Gen. Brent Scowcroft) is aboard one of these Doomsday planes, being brought to Offutt to observe the exercise.
Just as at Barksdale media accounts indicate Global Guardian was cancelled at Offutt shortly after the second WTC tower was hit (at 9 03) with staff swiching to "real world mode" (Department of Defense, 1/9/02)

However, even after Global Guardian was called off, all three E-4Bs remained airborne. (Omaha World-Herald 2/27/02)"
(Page 166-167)

www.house.gov/mckinney/20050722transcript.pdf
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post Dec 28 2006, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE (behind @ Dec 9 2006, 12:06 PM)

Also mentioned in this link is that 33 uniformed sailors and 9 civilian Navy contractors were killed in the attack. I was watching one of the many 911 documentaries a couple of weeks ago when I heard something that is rarely mentioned. The person being interviewed (I think it was the BYU physics prof from "Scholars for 911 Truth") said that on Monday September 10th, Rumsfeld was in front of Congressional members to inform them that 2.3 TRILLION dollars had come up "missing" from the Pentagon. The BYU prof also said that it was Naval intelligence going after the missing loot and that these dead sailors burned up with all of their evidence when the west wing was "torpedoed".

Yet another facet and motive methinks. I surmise that the Pentagon WAS NOT an original target for the evildoers, but "killing two birds with one stone" may have been the order of the day. Everyone in the world knows that it would have been impossible for anything other than a military "friendly" that could have approached the Pentagon. The airliner story doesn't wash no matter how you slice it.

Soooo, where's the missing dough? Another link to CNNs archives shows a list of the victims which includes accountants, analyists, information systems techs, and a host of other job descriptions that seem to collude with a group of investigators. See: http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.cen...on.victims.html

THIS is an investigation I would like to see proceed. Follow the money, right?

One of the many links I found about this story:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/620276/posts

CBS first reported the story, but has removed all mention of it from their archives.

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QUOTE (johndoeX @ Dec 28 2006, 12:09 AM)
Welcome to all our guests from ....

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=100955

And yes.. its an E4B, not Air Force One (gee.. you would think a Military photo forum would know how to visually ID an aircraft...lol)

Cheers!

It's amazing that that thread was closed without further discussion.... nonono.gif
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Yes. It is amazing.
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post Dec 29 2006, 01:28 AM
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Can't go stalling the GWOT now..

And I was actually thinking about posting a simple message there as well.
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post Jan 1 2007, 01:01 PM
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Some more informative links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-4

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"Recent Developments

In January 2006 Donald Rumsfeld announced that the entire E-4B fleet will be retired starting in 2009. One aircraft will be eliminated from inventory each year, with the last aircraft to be retired in 2012. They may be replaced by two Boeing C-32's upgraded to provide broadcasting capabilities for the president in the event of nuclear war or a national emergency."


E-4B Advanced Airborne Command Post

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/e4b/

E-4B "Doomsday" Planes:

http://www.piedmontcommunities.us/servlet/...082442707849122

http://www.piedmontcommunities.us/servlet/...082424089681429

http://www.piedmontcommunities.us/servlet/...082232802594144


Aviation Enthusiasts:

http://aeroweb.brooklyn.cuny.edu/specs/boeing/e-4b.htm

E-4 mission is identified as NEACP (National Emergency Airborne Command Post):

http://www.tonyrogers.com/weapons/e4b_neacp.htm

Fact Sheet:

http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet_media.asp?fsID=99

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Great stuff jo! cheers.gif
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post Jan 2 2007, 01:11 PM
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I find it very interesting that the topic of the "white jet" has now gotten nearly three thousand
views, many more than most other topics.
Are we onto something here?
Are people in Washington reading about this?
Will the FAA ever resume processing of my FOIA request for the records on this aircraft?
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