White Jet Analysis, Plane Seen Flying Over Pentagon/DC Options

[pinnacle]

All eyewitnesses I have contacted saw a four engine white jet, very big, very slow and low altitude.
I checked out other sites with this material and they are all just
repeating information fromthe Gaffney stories and from Pilots for Truth.
Nobody else has original research on this and official documents with signatures.
If nothing else CNN has made this credible by finally showing the video
after six years, although why they did not post it on September 11
is strange. Why wait until September 12 when fewer people will notice,
unless you want it to go away.

[Aldo Marquis CIT]

http://dailymotion.alice.it/swf/3K7Z1nyYgXjsla2oz

"White with Blue downstairs (below)...it was a United plane, a United States Plane."

[Craig Ranke CIT]

All eyewitnesses I have contacted saw a four engine white jet, very big, very slow and low altitude.

Well when I say "eyewitnesses" I mean to the plane that flew treetop level low over Arlington timed with the explosion.

That's what the witness is talking about in the video Aldo just posted.

I've never talked to anyone who saw the E4B.

[pinnacle]

The E-4B story is all over the internet and bigger than any other 9/11
truth story I have seen yet.
This is very well documented and there is no way around it other than
ludicrous statements like Lee Hamilton assuming it was "not important" enough to investigate.
I talked to one network news journalist who saw the E-4B and several private citizens including our own Linda Brookhart who took the famous still picture.
What CNN leaves out of their story is why they been sitting on this video for six years and never asked any questions about it.
Also they fudge the time saying it was "before 10".
The actual time the E-4B arrived over the White House was 9:40 am, based on Peter Jennings on air report, a good 20 minutes before the jet fighters arrived.
Yet Lee Hamilton, who was charged with accounting for all military response to the 9/11 attacks, does not think it necessary to account for how and why the US air force got a huge slower plane like the E-4B over Washington 20 minutes before the first defensive jet fighter arrived. He also gave no explanation for why a
C-130 would be ordered to chase a jet airliner if an E-4B was sitting right on top of the White House at the same moment.
This really blows all credibility for the 9/11 Commission even for nontruthers because this absoutely demanded an explanation and was dismissed
and suppressed from September 12, 2001 onwards.
I am getting some interesting emails on this.

[JackD]

bravo, Pinnacle.

Get the story out there, and get in front of it.

have you posted to 911blogger.com yet?

[waterdancer]

I found that the link from CNN is currently functional. I'd back it up, just in case...
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/0...stery.plane.CNN
This newly working link is for a video which appears to be 19 seconds shorter than the one they had earlier (which expired). Might be interesting to know what got left on the cutting room floor in version 2.0.

As to who was on this particular E-4B, odds are good that would have been Brent Scowcroft & the Federal Advisory Committee, originally scheduled to be picked up to go out to Offutt to observe the Global Guardian exercise. See quotes below:

And that fact was driven home at 9:43, when American
Airlines Flight 77 plowed throughthe thick concrete walls of the Pentagon.
There were thousands of airplanes still in the air and heading toward
airports all over the country. And one of them, a 747 code-named “Night
Watch,” had only just taken off and was immediately ordered to cease the
military exercise it was conducting and prepare to become the actual
national airborne operations center.

While Greene was rushing back to the NCS operations center to get a
better understanding of what had happened in New York, civilian and
military officials were boarding a militarized version of a Boeing 747,
known as the E-4B National Airborne Operations Center (NAOC), at an
airfield outside of the nation’s capital. They were preparing to conduct
a previously scheduled Defense Department exercise.

As the crew of the E-4B was preparing to begin the regularly scheduled
training exercise, including the use and testing of the aircraft’s various
advanced technology and communications equipment, the Federal Aviation
Administration was ordering all New York City area airports to cease
flight operations.

above quotes from Chapter 7 of Dan Verton's book Black Ice: The Invisible Threat of Cyber-Terrorism
Footnote 16 in that book (which is not quoted above but relates to the E-4B as well)
¹⁶ Author interview with sources either aboard the NAOC or familiar with the events
of September 11.

Aboard one of the three planes was the Federal Advisory Committee, whose chairman is retired Lt. Gen. Brent Scowcroft. The plane had been dispatched to bring committee members to Offutt to observe Global Guardian.

Military authorities canceled the exercise after the attacks on the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon, but all three of the E-4Bs remained in the air.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...125x87082#87146

I can never seem to comment at 911blogger for some reason anymore, but I think comparing a pre expired link version with the one up now might be of interest over there.

Digg the story here

This post has been edited by waterdancer: Sep 14 2007, 01:32 AM

[waterdancer]

Seems a bit odd for the military to be in total denial about it when all this info is out in the public domain already, doesn't it? Must be the nukuler factor...

[kiwisteve]

Hi Pinnacle, fantastic work!

Please keep it up.

Perhaps the E-4B was there to ensure that the various air defences were switched off. Or as a distraction to the attack on the Pentagon.

Sounds like the skies above Washington that day were a little more crowded than the govt would have us believe. This would make it easier for "shocked witnesses" to be easily confused if the right questions were asked.

This post has been edited by kiwisteve: Sep 14 2007, 06:32 AM

[Aldo Marquis CIT]

Also they fudge the time saying it was "before 10".
The actual time the E-4B arrived over the White House was 9:40 am, based on Peter Jennings on air report, a good 20 minutes before the jet fighters arrived.

Anybody have a clip of this? Pinnacle? Do you have that?

[pinnacle]

There was a clip posted of Peter Jennings announcing the "plane circling the White House" that has since been removed but I beleive it is in the internet archive.
I do have a printed transcript of this. The time on screen was 9:40 am
and the image was the WTC still standing and burning.
John Miller was talking with Jennings so he also knows about this and never brought it up again. Jennings speaks for two minutes about White House air defenses as he reports this, implying that an air force plane is what
is flying over the White House. He makes no mention of smoke coming from the Pentagon during this and the cameras stays on the WTC the whole time.
How can Lee Hamilton say this is not important?
According to Public Law 107-306 that created the 9/11 Commission they were required to make a "full and complete accounting" of "immediate response
to the attacks".
How does the most sophisticated and expensive air force command and control plane in the world not form a critical part of that "imediate response" that the 9/11 Commission was mandated to report on in full detail?
How can they preent a story of a clueless NORAD flying the wrong way
while the E-4B is right in the center of the action 20 minutes before the first fighter gets to Washington and claim they have given us a "full and complete accounting of the air force response to the attacks?
This is an insult to the intelligence of every American and these people
think so little of us that they act indignant and call us names when
we catch them in an obvious cover-up.
If the E-4B is unimportant why do I have a folder full of documents from
offical sources denying all knowledge of it?
Why did CNN do this story without even asking to see these documents when I offered to make them available back in June?
Don't they believe in checking there facts before broadcasting a story of this magnitude? Why did they not mention congressman Schiff making an official inquiry about this and getting the "no knowledge" response from the air force?
That is more than just a FOIA stonewall, that is a Legislative Liaison Officer
in the Pentagon telling a member congress the air force did not know about a 747
flying over the White House even when I gave them the pictures of it.
They literally are intentionally blind to factual reality. What really bugs
me is that Schiff accepts this denial even with the CNN storyall over the internet.
What does itbtake to get these politicians to stick up for the truth?

[Ashoka]

Also they fudge the time saying it was "before 10".
The actual time the E-4B arrived over the White House  was 9:40 am, based on Peter Jennings on air report,  a good 20 minutes before the jet fighters arrived.

Anybody have a clip of this? Pinnacle? Do you have that?

I have that clip :-)

White plane circling white house (streaming)

Download

Ashoka

This post has been edited by Ashoka: Sep 14 2007, 02:40 PM

[Aldo Marquis CIT]

Thank you brother. You are always great help.

[waterdancer]

I just found identifiable pics of #50125 (Carlo 82, Chick 52 etc.) and #31677 (Crisp 45 AKA Culpa 11 etc.) (thanks to NCA monitor archive for the nicks) to go with the pics I already have of 40787 (Sam 787) and Lana 28. I now have a complete set, IOW. It's easier now than it was the last time I tried.




























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This post has been edited by waterdancer: Sep 15 2007, 04:33 AM

[waterdancer]

Someone with the handle AsstChiefMark over on a now defunct (and otherwise useless AFAIC) airliners.net thread on the CNN story said

I recall watching a video on http://www.flightlevel350.com/ a few years ago. It showed the E-4B taking off from Andrews AFB soon after the WTC was hit. The people in the video were commenting on how steep it was climbing out. One of them said, "Oh no. That's not a good sign."

Does a video like that ring any bells with anyone?

None of the dismissers seem to realize that 3 of the 4 E-4Bs were participating in Global Guardian and the other one (presumably the alert aircraft) took off from Wright Patterson "minutes after 9:43 (sic)" Leaving zero E-4Bs to serve as a back up AF 1.

Andrews AFB certainly makes sense for the departure location being "an airfield outside of the nation’s capital". Unless 2 or more of the three Global Guardian E-4Bs were ferrying "military officials" to Offutt and were in the DC area between 9 AM and 9:40 I think we can be fairly certain that we are referring to one specific E-4B in a lot of different instances. So, going out on a limb here:

"Civilian and military officials"- (read: Scowcroft, FAC, probably others) were boarding an E-4B at (most probably- I wish I had that abovementioned video) Andrews AFB between say 9:05 and 9:20. After 9:20 seems a stretch given this quote:

While Greene was rushing back to the NCS operations center to get a
better understanding of what had happened in New York, civilian and
military officials were boarding

This E-4B was clearly already airborne at the time of the Pentagon event, though it had not been for long:

And that fact was driven home at 9:43, when American
Airlines Flight 77 plowed throughthe thick concrete walls of the Pentagon.
There were thousands of airplanes still in the air and heading toward
airports all over the country. And one of them, a 747 code-named “Night
Watch,” had only just taken off

.
This E-4B becomes the "national airborne operations center" after the Pentagon incident.

So:
Who = Scowcroft, FAC, possibly other unknowns
Where = board and depart Andrews AFB (likely)
When = boarded by ~9:20 if not before; airborne ~9:20 - 9:30 (partly the timing depends on when the Pentagon event occurred- and whether the E-4B might have been what the FAA's Scoggins was tracking at 9:36 as being 6 miles southeast of the White House- as Mark Gaffney hypothesizes)
Why = ostensibly to head to Offutt/ participating in/observing Global Guardian exercise; possibly for other reasons related to the Pentagon incident.
...

about the time this same E-4B becomes the NOAC, it makes a low circling pass in restricted airspace allowing for its videotaped ID.
...

1.) How exactly does scaring the Secret Service help fulfill its role as NOAC? I thought it worked best at high altitudes...
2.) Why deny the existence of this plane in this airspace at this time?

This post has been edited by waterdancer: Sep 15 2007, 06:56 AM

[pinnacle]

If the E-4B was "unimportant" why didn't Hamilton just tell us what it was doing there, who sent it, and when was the order given?
I would also like to know why it left so suddenly and never made radio contact with the Langley fighters who never even saw it and had no idea what they were supposed to be looking for when they got to Washington.
Why would the E-4B have been unable to contact these guys if it was
in Washington airspace monitoring the situation on the ground?
One E-4B would normally be relaying communications from Air Force One but
Bush was out of contact for long periods of time which indicates it was not doing it's job.
The whole premise of the 9/11 Report is that the air force was in total confusion
yet the most sophisticated communications platform in the world did nothing to
carry out it's "command and control" function and simply let the confusion reign.

[pinnacle]

After reading the CNN transcript I notice Lee Hamilton actually
shifts the blame to the commission staffers for not considering the E-4B relevant, thereby if it turns out to be really important he can just say it was
anonymous staff people who failed to inform him. Of course since
he was ordered to provide a full and complete accounting of the
"circumstances" of the attacks I do not see how he could leave out
an expanation of any military aircraft in the area at the time of the attacks no matter how "irrelevant" it was to the attacks themselves since the whole issue under investigation was the state of the military situational awareness in the critical moments when action might have saved lives. To then say we are "ludricious" for asking why this information continues to be withheld from the public is insulting to the intelligences of every American.
Even if the E-4B turns out to be merely more proof of military incompetence in a crisis it certainly should have been fully investigated by the 9/11 Commission.
The mere fact it was there is a very unusual "circumstance" and they were
mandated to account for it.

[Ashoka]

From the Norad tapes, channel 2

9:43
[Nasypany]: "Okay guys another aircraft spotted near the Pentagon"

Link

Ashoka

[911stealth]

Interesting, the E-4B and the C-130 were flying there, the C-130 passed above the other.

We did the original discovery of the E-4B more than a year ago and we called it "white jet", we posted it first at:
http://www.archive.org/download/stealth911...whiteplane.mpeg

Then, we posted it at YouTube and it reached the 700,000 views in a very short time span; however, they removed it claiming copyrights for some other videos we had there (we had 165 clips with evidence of very advanced aircraft technology flying all over 9/11).

Now we posted again the context of the original clip where it was originally found, from the Discovery Channel, docu-drama Flight 93, narrated by Kiefer Sutherland:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InWbKYM2zUc

I think that was the first time ever the side signature of the E-4B was identified, CNN never aired until now its footage.

I believe every footage of the E-4B belly, with its back dot from the blue stripes signature, filmed by Arlington was censored in the U.S., correct me if I am wrong; however, in every other country outside the U.S., I believe it was aired and seen. This finding is important and we don't need to let the perpetrators to tone it down.

In this other one we contrast the "unimportant" (it was not significant to be dealt with) by Lee Hamilton with the very alarmed voices of the newscasters from Europe where that belly of the E-4B was seen first. Hamilton is lying! Don't let them get away with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gHOx5_rBM0

Here are some of the last entries on our other link posted previously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFNY8r_lrIs

"THe strange thing is, no one, not the DoD, NSA, CIA, NTSB, WH or anyone else says they were in control of that plane. There is no log of it anywhere. Not even NORAD takes the responsibility. Besides, those SS guys on the roof of the WH? Don't you think someone would have told them about it?" by socratescafe

"If they get away with this, we are doomed. Please don't let them. Find the facts and spread them..." by RegressLess

Again, here we honor the tireless efforts of Pinnacle and Gaffney.

This post has been edited by 911stealth: Sep 26 2007, 03:13 PM

[pinnacle]

Well we know theat Lee Hamilton still won't tell us what the
"insignificant" mission of the E-4B was on 9/11, and it is really to bad CNN
never asked me to provide them with copies of the letters
from the Air Force, the FAA and the Secret Service so they could have shown them to Hamilton and ask him to explain why such denials of all knowledge of an "unimportant" aircraft.
Of course it would also have been good journalism to show the video to the
various agencies who denied knowledge and as them for an on-camera explanation as well but I guess all CNN wanted Anderson Cooper to do was say "interesting" at the end of the story and not bother to actually do any of that pesky "investigative journalism" stuff.
Hey Anderson how about interviewing those 9/11 Commission staffers who apparently made all the decisions on what "rose to the attention" of the commission and got into the report. Surely they would have no objection to answering some questions about such a "trivial" matter as the E-4B
if it really was no big deal as they claim.
Why are the staffers immune from answering questions if Hamilton can be interviewed on this?

[waterdancer]

Looking around for more info on the Scowcroft chaired Federal Advisory Committee (which I suspect was on board our E-4B) I found this link
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/update...r/m07-009.shtml

NEW ADVISORY GROUP ON NUCLEAR COMMAND AND CONTROL

The Defense Department has established a new private sector
Advisory Committee for the End-to-End Review of the U.S. Nuclear
Command and Control System.  The command and control of nuclear
weapons is perhaps the most sensitive topic in the U.S.
government.

"This advisory committee will provide advice and recommendations
to the Secretary of Defense ... regarding the full range of U.S.
Nuclear Command and Control System (NCSS) policies,
responsibilities, functions, management structures and
capabilities...," according to a March 6 Notice in the Federal
Register.

"The Advisory Committee will consist of a balanced membership of
approximately four senior members from the private sector,
appointed by the Secretary of Defense," the Federal Register
Notice said.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2001/03/fr030601.html

For the Pentagon to solicit advice from the private sector on
ultra-classified issues of nuclear command and control seems
rather extraordinary.

But considering the identities of the newly appointed private
sector members, it is not so much of a stretch after all.  The
members are Gen. (ret.) Brent Scowcroft, chair; Gen. (ret.)
Michael Carnes; John Crawford, former vice president of Sandia
National Laboratories; and William Crowell, President and CEO of
Cylink, Inc.  Assistant Secretary of Defense Art Money and a yet
unnamed Energy Department official will also serve.

The Committee is established under the provisions of the Federal
Advisory Committee Act, but all or most of its meetings are
expected to be closed and its minutes classified, Pentagon
spokesman Lt. Col. Steve Campbell told Secrecy News.  The first
meeting is scheduled for April 5.

I can't independently confirm any of the names besides John Crawford. ("Dr. Crawford was recently appointed to serve as a member of a Federal Advisory Committee for the End-to-End Review of the U.S. Nuclear Command and Control System (NCCS).")

Looking at the names listed and poking around for more info on them, they look like quite viable candidates. I think Michael Carnes should instead be Michael Carns.

NSA, Sandia, DoD, if it is Carns then Dyncorp/Rockwell Collins ties etc.

possibly the missing name from the list is Thomas Neary

Neary has more than 30 years experience in
nuclear operations, planning, and policy. His last
Air Force assignment included command of the
20th Air Force element of the US Strategic Command,
and he previously commanded two ICBM
wings. He played a major role in the Scowcroft
End-to-End Review of the US Nuclear Command
and Control System, a comprehensive review of
nuclear weapons security.

This post has been edited by waterdancer: Oct 2 2007, 08:24 PM