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Final Approach Of 175

NightMage
post Feb 25 2007, 05:23 PM
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Hello everyone. I did a quick search and read the topics in the 175 forum to see if anyone had mentioned this before and it didnt seem like it so here goes.

I'm not a pilot, nor do I know much about plane physics and flight dynamics beyond the average layman. However I have some issues with the approach flight 175 took to the south tower.

At first I had searched for a black box NTSB animation of the sort we have for the pentagon for flight 175, then I remembered that the black boxes of this flight were 'destroyed'.

On some videos and in particular this one, this one, it appears that flight 175 approaches the south tower at a certain height but continues/starts to drop in altitude and then levels off, but the manoeuvre causes the plane to drift and it has to roll before hitting the tower.

I'd be interested to hear what commercial pilots in this forum have to say about this approach. For a start does anyone know of a longer video of that clip? And preferably a higher quality version to see the plane coming from further away.

To me it appears as though the plane was on target to hit the top of the tower (similar to the north tower collision) but for whatever reason the pilot decided to drop and hit the tower half way. Does anyone else see it this way?

A question to pilots here, how difficult is it to drop that 300-400ft in a couple of seconds and still maintain your course? Is this something that a shaky cessna pilot would just have absolutely no hope doing?

I was trying to put my mind in the position of one of the supposed 'arab hijackers'. If you are flying to the towers, and you see the towers you have already accomplished many difficult tasks, for one you've successfully hijacked a plane and subdued your passengers into leaving you alone; you've dodged/tricked the US air force and successfully navigated your way to New York with no help from outside; and you've also found the towers in New York on your first go. You also find yourself flying towards the tower, and you're about to hit it bang on centre, maybe a little higher than planned, but it would be the same height as your buddy in the North Tower and would still achieve the effect of flying into a WTC tower for the world to see. Given that you are rubbish at flying a cessna, do you risk everything at this point and (im guessing here) drop the thurst/flaps to shed some altitude for a slightly better 'effect' given you probably dont have a degree in engineering and dont know if that would make any difference? Or do you stay on course and try and hit the tower in any which way you can?

Just as a side note, I personally don't think the 9/11 conspiracy theory community has to prove beyond doubt what happened at every stage of the plot. I think it's enough to find a single flaw in the official line in order to show there is foul play at work. If just one part doesn't add up (i.e. it couldn't have been the arabs flying the planes) then the government needs to be held to account for the story they are putting out.

Anyway, thoughts much appreciated.

NM

P.S. I don't believe in the ghost plane theories, I have no comment on the pod theory, and I am less and less convinced that a passenger Jet crashed in Pennsylvania.
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MANOLETE
post Jun 10 2009, 07:20 AM
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Dear All:

Please look the attache video,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lOcEOsmAtA

is the final approach. I realized yesterday that there is a flashing light in the right wing before the impact. I suppose that is the navigation light, butis this position normal for an boieng 767 222 comercial liner????

The flash is in the seconds 4 to 5 of the video.

Thanks,
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post Jun 10 2009, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE (MANOLETE @ Jun 8 2009, 09:20 AM) *
Dear All:

Please look the attache video,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lOcEOsmAtA

is the final approach. I realized yesterday that there is a flashing light in the right wing before the impact. I suppose that is the navigation light, butis this position normal for an boieng 767 222 comercial liner????

The flash is in the seconds 4 to 5 of the video.

Thanks,


The flash in question appears to be a video artifact. That flash doesn't appear on other source videos that haven't been "stabilized".
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achimspok
post Jun 16 2009, 08:34 AM
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This may answer some questions about the final approach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClDtwOR-3wQ

But there are a lot of open qustions.
I thought the Rades data were just displaced because the Rades flight path is parallel to the visible flight path but about 520m displaced to the south + too high (wrong time).
The Rades data for AA11 are wrong as well. According to these data AA11 would have passed behind Naudet at the junction of Church and Lispenard. May be Naudet would have panned the camera to the left but the Rades plane would have entered the screen from the left side in a high banking turn.
I checked Google Earth for any failure of the longitude/latitude. GE is correct.
So how correct is a USAF radar? What are these Rades data?

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- NightMage   Final Approach Of 175   Feb 25 2007, 05:23 PM
- - amazed!   NM Welcome aboard! I have had similar ques...   Feb 25 2007, 05:49 PM
|- - pikeaero   QUOTE (amazed! @ Feb 25 2007, 05:49 P...   Oct 20 2008, 06:37 PM
|- - Freedomlover911   QUOTE (amazed! @ Feb 23 2007, 07:49 P...   Apr 14 2009, 02:29 PM
- - tit2   See also: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/flt17...   May 18 2007, 09:02 AM
- - Beached   I had a few thoughts on the subject. The first con...   May 18 2007, 11:32 AM
|- - BaNoyes   QUOTE (Beached @ May 16 2007, 01:32 PM) I...   Apr 20 2009, 11:27 AM
|- - Freedomlover911   QUOTE (BaNoyes @ Apr 18 2009, 02:27 PM) (...   Apr 20 2009, 12:25 PM
|- - SwingDangler   QUOTE (Freedomlover911 @ Apr 18 2009, 03...   Apr 21 2009, 12:24 PM
|- - BaNoyes   QUOTE (Freedomlover911 @ Apr 18 2009, 02...   Apr 21 2009, 01:47 PM
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|- - Obwon   QUOTE (localbod @ Mar 22 2011, 05:45 PM) ...   Mar 23 2011, 06:24 AM
- - amazed!   I am the Witness did his homework. And of course ...   May 19 2007, 05:45 PM
- - mycall   Not trying to be sarcastic, and, to be honest i do...   May 19 2007, 08:26 PM
- - Beached   QUOTE (mycall @ May 20 2007, 12:26 AM)Not try...   May 19 2007, 08:56 PM
- - tit2   Hi I am French citizen and I does not understand ...   Aug 11 2007, 03:53 PM
- - tit2   the author of this video precise: http://video.go...   Aug 16 2007, 04:15 PM
- - Ningen   Is there an official flight path for Flight 175? ...   Sep 2 2007, 02:01 AM
- - tit2   Quote: "In reference to tit2's question...   Sep 2 2007, 04:53 PM
- - tit2   Last seconds of flight 175. Video: http://www.you...   Sep 3 2007, 03:52 AM
- - cbsiftcb   Just my two cents... First of all here's my i...   Nov 8 2007, 08:07 AM
- - amazed!   cbs Welcome to the forum. Apparently the radar d...   Nov 8 2007, 10:12 AM
- - Factfinder General   QUOTE (amazed! @ Nov 8 2007, 09:12 AM)cbs...   Nov 8 2007, 03:58 PM
- - WetBlanket   The final approach seems to differ on the various ...   Nov 14 2007, 03:37 AM
- - Destinova   It's the first time I saw this video... and I ...   Nov 22 2007, 04:39 PM
- - tumetuestumefaisdubien   QUOTE (Destinova @ Nov 22 2007, 03:39 PM)http...   Nov 23 2007, 10:18 AM
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- - pinnacle   The RADES data of Flight 175 shows it dropping 640...   Dec 19 2007, 03:47 PM
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- - pinnacle   My real question is how hard would it be for an am...   Dec 19 2007, 07:42 PM
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|- - guillaumedock   QUOTE (dMole @ Mar 9 2009, 07:48 AM) Hi g...   Mar 10 2009, 05:19 AM
- - dMole   Here is the altitude profile for UA175 according t...   Mar 10 2009, 06:22 AM
|- - guillaumedock   QUOTE (dMole @ Mar 10 2009, 11:22 AM) Her...   Mar 10 2009, 07:08 AM
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- - MANOLETE   Dear All: Please look the attache video, http://...   Jun 10 2009, 07:20 AM
|- - SwingDangler   QUOTE (MANOLETE @ Jun 8 2009, 09:20 AM) D...   Jun 10 2009, 10:18 AM
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