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What Hit The South Tower?, The wrong plane!

Beached
post Mar 3 2007, 12:46 PM
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Here is an actual file photo of N612UA - the aircraft alleged to have impacted the South Tower (Flight 175):

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/205074/L/
United Airlines
Boeing 767-222
New York - John F. Kennedy International (Idlewild) (JFK / KJFK)
USA - New York, April 28, 2001
N612UA

Please take a look at the following comparisons:

(IMG:http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/beached1000/plaindud.jpg)

(IMG:http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/beached1000/scale.jpg)

We will observe that the nose section of a 200 series, A, is shorter than the wing assembly, B. Whereas for the 300 series A is longer than B.
767-200 => A:B = 190:200 = 0.95:1, i.e. A is less than B
767-300 => A:B = 221:200 = 1.105:1, i.e. A is greater than B

The NIST frames of the aircraft that impacted the South Tower give us A:B = 20.76:19.91 = 1.04:1

In other words, A is greater than B. Therefore, this plane's fuselage is too long to be a Boeing 767-222.

A more in-depth analysis can be found here:
http://www.amics21.com/911/flight175/second.html

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QUOTE (dMole @ Oct 29 2007, 03:16 AM)
Hello again O892,

Thank you for your astute observations, and I assure you that MOST of the problems that I referenced are on THIS side of the "pond."  It would be interesting for a British fellow like you and a mountain/desert creature like myself (both having similar backgrounds) to compare notes.

Sincerely,
d

Thank you dMole.

I am still looking into details of WTC construction. I walked passed them whilst briefly in NY in 1972 before they were finished and have 35mm transparencies taken looking downtown towards then from the Empire State and others from inside the head of the Statue of Liberty.

I have found useful pic's and diagrams on:

http://www.studyof911.com/gallery/index.php

including a diagram of the lift (sorry elevator) arrangements, but only a side elevation which gives no clue as to which corner, or corners had shuttle and freight elevators. This would be useful in judging how fuel could descend to the lower floors. Further the diagram found there appears to finish at the ground floor with no clue as to lift arrangements through to the basement levels.

I know this question is away from what hit but I asked here as I have not yet found such information elsewhere on P4T.
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