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Can this be the engine from United 175?

spellman
post Feb 18 2009, 08:05 AM
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QUOTE (waterdancer @ Mar 20 2007, 11:59 PM) *
So far these are the highest res. shots of that engine which I've run across:

Mod edit: repeat pics removed.

looks like the same intact engine below......you all are paranoid. drawing too many unfounded conclusios, by finding information that helps promote your "big brother" ideas. get a grip all of you seriously
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post Feb 18 2009, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE (spellman @ Feb 16 2009, 11:05 AM) *
looks like the same intact engine below......

Below what?
Was it necessary to repeat placing those images. Do you not know how to ref' other posts which would have done?
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you all are paranoid. drawing too many unfounded conclusios,

Nope! Just recognise BS when we see or hear it.
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by finding information that helps promote your "big brother" ideas. get a grip all of you seriously

You need to do one of two things:

wake up and smell the coffee

or

crawl back into your perp' supporters shell.
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post Feb 18 2009, 08:29 AM
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You were fast Omega, you got there before me!

So spellman, where ya going to troll next?
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post Jul 19 2009, 02:55 AM
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Interesting thread.

I see debunker had shown up to
try to scare some off.
Not to worry.

All the 767's ive worked on had either the
Pratt J-T9D's or the GE CF-6.

All the 757's had the Rolls RB211 (triple spool)
or the Pratt 2040's.

All the DC-8's had the either JT-3D (60 series)
long duct and short duct, low bypass.
or the CFM56 (70 series) high bypass.


Well we know it wasnt a DC-8.

The key to these mangled engines
would be the serial numbers and the
fuel port bosses for the nozzles/injectors
and if it matches up to the blueprints as
to number, shape and size. There has been
some very good research in this thread. I will
dig a little in my manuals and see what i can come
up with to help out. I have gobs of resources
so its gonna take a little time.

In the meantime,
if these engines were planted by someone,
wouldnt they have gone to the trouble of putting
the correct serial numbers on the right type of
engine to help sell their story ?

Just a thought.
Be back soon.
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post Jul 21 2009, 09:24 AM
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I'm not an expert by any means, but why in the world would anyone, FBI for example, take the time to place a carpenters square on top of a engine in the middle of an "accident"/"terrorist attack"?

It looks like in this picture http://www.hybrideb.com/source/eyewitness/...ab/DSC07781.jpg someone has placed the carpenters square on top of the engine. I could understand the NTSB doing that, but the FBI??

What is the point or am I wrong in my thinking that the square is exactly that but instead a part of the engine? Perhaps the actions of a 'whistle blower'?
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post Jul 21 2009, 07:38 PM
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i think that the implication has been that someone wanted everyone to know that this was not an engine from either of the purported "colliding with terrain" aircraft.

a collateral implication is that the "someone[s]" knew either before or immediately afterwards that there was going to be no formal NTSB investigation into the "accident[s]".

an insider's measuring device?
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post Jul 22 2009, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE (SwingDangler @ Jul 21 2009, 09:24 AM) *
I'm not an expert by any means, but why in the world would anyone, FBI for example, take the time to place a carpenters square on top of a engine in the middle of an "accident"/"terrorist attack"?

It looks like in this picture http://www.hybrideb.com/source/eyewitness/...ab/DSC07781.jpg someone has placed the carpenters square on top of the engine. I could understand the NTSB doing that, but the FBI??

What is the point or am I wrong in my thinking that the square is exactly that but instead a part of the engine? Perhaps the actions of a 'whistle blower'?


Not to get too picky, but this is a weird looking framing square. I don't think its an actual framing square although it might have started life as one. A framing square has a inch and half 'tongue' (the shorter and narrower of two arms) and the wider 2" arm, the blade, is the longer one. The blade in this case seems to have an extension riveted onto it, and the pivot point has some kind of circular thing attached to the angle base. Its also quite damaged, bits missing from the edge here and there, like it was oxidizing for a few years. Strange piece of metal, no longer a tool that's for certain.
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post Jul 22 2009, 03:48 AM
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I think it is actually a special scale for forensic photography. I have been a sometime technical photographer (among wearing other hats) at a few of my jobs. They are used to show size, perspective, distance, etc. (I often used my handy-dandy engineers' ruler and/or scale or a meterstick for this purpose in my photos).

See my posts #8 and 9 here:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10771996

I will wager that is a "stock" item in an FBI forensic investigation kit. I DO wonder what ever happened to that engine debris though [cough * Iron Mtn * cough].
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post Jul 22 2009, 07:57 PM
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minus the drama, this thread contains an informative study of the engine and of its path:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpshitout/topic/1829738/


have a look!
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post Jul 23 2009, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE (paranoia @ Jul 22 2009, 04:57 PM) *
minus the drama, this thread contains an informative study of the engine and of its path:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpshitout/topic/1829738/


have a look!
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That whole thread is well worth reading. It conclusively throws the NPT out the window,
to the Church...on time.
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post Jul 24 2009, 05:20 PM
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It would be VERY easy to identify what plane
hit the towers. These engines are mangled beyond
belief, but if ANY serialized part to this plane was found,
it would tell the story.

With 16 yrs working experience as a mechanic on
Military and Commercial Aircraft, i can tell you that
EVERY part has a serial number, unless it
is an expendable part like a light bulb and such, and
if ANY part, like this engine, or any of its accessories,
or a flap, or landing gear parts, or brake stacks or wheels
or ANY other of the thousands of other serialized parts were found........
ANY OF THEM COULD TELL YOU WHICH PLANE IT CAME FROM.

All parts we replace, are documented in the aircraft log and
put into the permanent history of the plane, that follows the plane
for its entire life. This is an FAA Regulation and non negotiable.

It doesnt take an engine, only ONE serialized part.
Find it and you've found the plane.

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post Jul 24 2009, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE (aerohead @ Jul 24 2009, 05:20 PM) *
It would be VERY easy to identify what plane
hit the towers. These engines are mangled beyond
belief, but if ANY serialized part to this plane was found,
it would tell the story.

With 16 yrs working experience as a mechanic on
Military and Commercial Aircraft, i can tell you that
EVERY part has a serial number, unless it
is an expendable part like a light bulb and such, and
if ANY part, like this engine, or any of its accessories,
or a flap, or landing gear parts, or brake stacks or wheels
or ANY other of the thousands of other serialized parts were found........
ANY OF THEM COULD TELL YOU WHICH PLANE IT CAME FROM.

All parts we replace, are documented in the aircraft log and
put into the permanent history of the plane, that follows the plane
for its entire life. This is an FAA Regulation and non negotiable.

It doesnt take an engine, only ONE serialized part.
Find it and you've found the plane.


Guess that's why the government won't release any of the original records from these planes. And why neither the NTSB nor anyone else was allowed to investigate these crashes.
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post Jul 24 2009, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Jul 24 2009, 05:51 PM)
Guess that's why the government won't release any of the original records from these planes. And why neither the NTSB nor anyone else was allowed to investigate these crashes.



Ya, its truely disgusting.

But the whole thing is like that, isnt it.

They swept it ALL under the carpet so fast and
stalled the serverely underfunded and absolutely
incompetent investigation, and focused all our attention
on "getting the evil do'ers", "Shock and Awe" the "terrorists.
Meanwhile they hide the parts, recycle the steel, destroy the
evidence, keep pumping the cover story, doctor the films, and
poise themselves to make serious cash from the Wars.

Disgusting

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QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Oct 30 2008, 10:10 PM) *
What bothers me about these pictures, other than the type of engine looks wrong, is that there is no sign of heat around where it is supposed to have landed and the item looks kinda cool to me.

The engine is a plant. No two ways about it.


True that engine should still be a good hunderd degress hot. And more imporaant it should be smoking! the left over turbine oil in the seals would smolder off for atleast a good 2 hours if that engine was at high power befor it was suddenly turned off. it also has a veryclean cobustion chamber seeing the evapourator pipes of the fuel injection system. no dust from flying through a building and bouncing off the street
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post Jul 27 2009, 01:18 AM
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QUOTE (lookingfortheme @ Jul 26 2009, 02:40 PM) *
True that engine should still be a good hunderd degress hot. And more imporaant it should be smoking! the left over turbine oil in the seals would smolder off for atleast a good 2 hours if that engine was at high power befor it was suddenly turned off. it also has a veryclean cobustion chamber seeing the evapourator pipes of the fuel injection system. no dust from flying through a building and bouncing off the street

There is a picture of that engine with smoke still coming off of it.

It was seen in a number of videos flying from the corner of the tower,

It hit the corner of another building and dropped to the sidewalk below.

This engine was part of the plane that hit the second tower (WTC1).

This proves a plane hit the tower.

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QUOTE (dMole @ Jan 5 2008, 05:20 AM) *
Here's a photo of the business end of a [UNDAMAGED] CFM56 series without nacelle fairing:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:CFM56_dsc04643.jpg


A few other views are available at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cfm56-3-turbofan.jpeg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/CFM56

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFM56

For the CFM56-2 series, the immediately above states:
"The 68.3in diameter fan has an airflow of 788lb/s."

Let's add a few more views of those CFM56's (one was linked above).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d...3-turbofan.jpeg


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CFM56_P1220759.jpg


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFM_International_CFM56
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tell me, dmole, am i interpreting your pix accurately? are you trying to say that such an engine could not, in its entirety, fit in a trash basket?

and of course, the issue of the orchestrated, exec order prohibition to prevent collection, then identification of aircraft debris[those serialized parts] persists as what some of us might label as a "misprision of a felony[ies]".
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QUOTE (albertchampion @ Sep 28 2009, 07:25 PM) *
tell me, dmole, am i interpreting your pix accurately? are you trying to say that such an engine could not, in its entirety, fit in a trash basket?

and of course, the issue of the orchestrated, exec order prohibition to prevent collection, then identification of aircraft debris[those serialized parts] persists as what some of us might label as a "misprision of a felony[ies]".

The chickens appear to be pointing ALL their beaks that same direction, AC...
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QUOTE (albertchampion @ Sep 26 2009, 11:25 PM) *
tell me, dmole, am i interpreting your pix accurately? are you trying to say that such an engine could not, in its entirety, fit in a trash basket?

An interesting question AC.

If a NY trash basket has a diameter of about 27 inches then it would fit.

Using a transparent measuring stick and taking lines from the first image placed by dMole in his #56 I measured the fan at about 9 cm and the N2 compressor casing forward of the burners where a compressor bleed pipe exits at 3.65 cm on my flat monitor.

3.65/9=0.405555 (a ratio so units can be dropped for next stage)

68.3 x 0.405555 = 27.699

I know not the dimensions of a NY trash basket though but a fit looks doubtful for part of a CFM56 unit.
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here's one for you.

for years i used to stay at the millenium hotel. across from the wtc buildings. i knew that area pretty well. walking it daily up into tribeca.

to some of my favorite restaurants.

as best i can recall, the last time i stayed down there was new year's 2000.

you know what, i don't recall seeing any trash cans anywhere.

perhaps the city put them out in that area in 2001.

if not, then that trash can is a subterfuge.
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