Flight Path Stills from youtube video, light poles Options

[rob balsamo]

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[Guinan]

[laugh] Hahaha..... [laugh]

The 'missile' hit the wrong lightposts???

[Voltaire]

Hello. I'm a new member and i hope it's the good place to make my question.

So, this video was provided by the NTSB. i'm french and i'm not sure about all the account you give. My questions :
- is the video exactly right with the data of the FDR ?
- Espacially about the altitude near the light poles and the trajectory of the plane near them

I had knew you had some problems about decoding the data. Are you OK with this now ?

Thank you.

[rob balsamo]

The csv file matches the animation perfectly. We do have an addition file we werent supposed to have which we cannot open. Boeing has refused to help... same with NTSB.. thus far.

Basically. .all files we have cross check and confirm each other.. as well as parameters. If you would like to download the data.. it is available above in a pinned thread in this forum.

Welcome to the forums!

Cheers!

[Voltaire]

Thanks, Johndoex

I had also another question. I saw, perhaps in LC forum, that the data stopped a little before the pentagon. I saw also (perhaps from you) that with this simulation and the given data, it was incredible that the plane hit the pentagon. Can you confirm ?

So, if i can abuse...
Another one: I saw also that the voice recorder of the flight had been recovered by the FBI. Was it the same for the FDR ? so i am asking for the origin of the data. Is it coming straight from a cabinet of NTSB ?

The question is why a governmental agency (or like it) delivered such a joke. It's nearly incredible.

[rob balsamo]

The reported impact time is 09:37:45. The recorded data ends (for most parameters, some parameters continue to the reported impact) at 09:37:44. The last altitude recorded was 1 second before supposed impact at 480MSL. The height of reported impact was 48'MSL. The vertical speed needed for that drop is almost 26,000 feet per minute. Impossible in a 757 that close to the ground. This does not mean AA77 didnt hit the pentagon (because we dont have that data). The conclusion based on the FDR is that it is in direct conflict with the official story of impact with light poles and the DoD "5 frames" parking gate cam video based on current vertical speed, vertical acceleration, system indications and an alternate analysis working backwards from the impact hole.

As for where it was found, we are still trying to get a straight answer from the govt. The NTSB states in their Flight Path Study that the FDR was found inside the pentagon. I dont trust this govt and want more details. Phone calls to NTSB and FBI hit brick walls. But we are working on other avenues. Stay tuned.

As for why they would release this information the way it is with its conflicts? The possibilities are endless. Perhaps they want us to figure it out and are mocking those who still make excuses as to not disrupt their belief in the official story.

Hope this helps...

Cheers!

[Voltaire]

I agree with you.
It's a long while that I think the black boxes are certainly 'fakes'. There is the story about the discovering of the boxes. People said they found them near an intact seat (nobody else saw this seat) while the ASCE report locate them near the 'exit hole'.
http://www.pentagonresearch.com/108.html

Perhaps somebody can think someone put them at the place they were found.
See also the row of FBI's agents searching rubbles on the grass little time after the crash.
See also how quickly the FBI did recover the videos from security cameras around the pentagon.
It seems like FBI was very fear about something showing the 'plane' or a rubble of it.

My supposition is the black box is a fake to make believe there was a 757. Was there anything strange with the FDR that can make people think the registered datas were not authentic?

This post has been edited by Voltaire: Oct 24 2006, 07:58 PM

[liss1523]

How amazing that I just found your site today, after months of 9/11 research... checked out your material, then Voltaire asks my first question:

1) With this time code-like glitch (sorry, I'm a video engineer, so that's the way I think of this 'power off' FDR counter reset/inconsistency...) and telemetery differences, is it possible that this released data is counterfeit? In theory, how could this be done? Could you, for instance, be recorded while flying in a 757 simulator, or are there differences in data that you would notice right away? God knows, they've had plenty of time before they handed this over to you and others...

2) You say you've rendered out the full flight time of AA77... when during the flight does this glitch occur? What time? Does there seem to be any time/data missing there? Is it a possible splice point?

3) What do you need to open this file? What, on a routine flight, does this proprietary information normally contain?

Thank you for your ongoing efforts.

This post has been edited by liss1523: Oct 25 2006, 02:37 AM

[rob balsamo]

1. Its possible to record a flight in the sim.. yes. Its also possible this FDR data is completely fabricated. If thats the case, its as alarming as it being accurate due to the fact it came from a govt agency... the NTSB.

2. Glitch? What glitch are you referring? I didnt "render" anything. The NTSB produced the animation.

3. Openoffice or Excel opens the csv file. Any media player will open the animation. Its an avi file. This information isnt proprietary, it is released through the Freedom of Information Act and provided by the NTSB.

[liss1523]

Sorry mate, I thought there was some kind of "counter" reset for this FDR data that was unexplained.

There's also some talk about a proprietary file that you can't open, that may contain additional data.

The most interesting thing about the FDR release is that "They" are screwed either way... either the FDR data is false (an altitude/location discrepancy,) or the whole light pole/entrance angle is a falsehood. Choose your poison...