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“they Tell Another Secret, We’ll Dig Another Grave, The Bush family and JFK jr.

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post Jul 30 2007, 10:23 PM
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Please inform yourself, especially pilots, the incidences and coincidences of John Kennedy Jr.'s fatal last flight and possible involvement by the Bush family or at the least knowledge of what had to be covered up in light of John's commitment to blow the whistle on who really killed his father. I flew his flight on a simulator and could never convince myself why he plunged into the water just before landing. You'll see on the video links that NTSB found no mechanical problems with the aircraft they recovered. I was told he was in-experienced and was not IFR rated. Also the possibility he lost his equilibrium and was actually flying upside down. The list goes on so just read the intro by Sorcha Faal from Ireland of his encounter with one of our CIA operatives and follow the video links below to You tube that contain 11 parts to this revelation.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index888.htm

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post Jul 31 2007, 04:52 PM
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I think the Kennedy accident was legit. Obviously unfortunate, but legit, and logical.

Like so many GA accidents, the whole day was screwed up for him. Family passengers way late, flying over water with the day ending, no instrument rating, failure to turn on autopilot, etc, etc.
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post Jul 31 2007, 05:24 PM
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Overwhelming, jaw-dropping evidence of foul play in the death of John F Kennedy Jr. - all based on official government documents. The search of the crash site was delayed an incomprehensible 15 hours. There was, indeed, a flight instructor on the plane, whose body is missing. It is clear that someone one on that plane committed suicide, shutting off the fuel control valve before plunging the plane into the sea.


http://video.google.The Assassination of JFK Junior

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post Jul 31 2007, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE (amazed! @ Aug 1 2007, 08:52 AM)
I think the Kennedy accident was legit. Obviously unfortunate, but legit, and logical.

Like so many GA accidents, the whole day was screwed up for him. Family passengers way late, flying over water with the day ending, no instrument rating, failure to turn on autopilot, etc, etc.

I would watch the video series first and then form your conclusions. Only half-way through so far due to work and sleep requirements but, as usual, the whole thing appears to stink.

Most glaring is the fact that there was a news interview which stated that he contacted Air Traffic Control at Martha's Vineyard at 9.39 which was a time that fitted exactly with the subsequent radar information released by the NTSB later on. This report then disappeared and it was 15 hours before they actually searched the area where they already knew he would be - the other searches until then covered the whole possible flight path.

Anyway watch the whole thing .......
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post Jul 31 2007, 07:56 PM
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Yes, watch the WHOLE thing.

It gets interesting begining with the part about the fuel switch found in the OFF position.

Wow.
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post Jul 31 2007, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE (Sanders @ Aug 1 2007, 11:56 AM)
Yes, watch the WHOLE thing.

It gets interesting begining with the part about the fuel switch found in the OFF position.

Wow.

Finished watching it now - a little quirky in presentation but once again it shows that what you see on the news is what they want you to see. The first 24 hours after an event is the only time you will glimpse the real truth before the media machine forgets all that happened and toes the official line.
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post Jul 31 2007, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE (KP50 @ Jul 31 2007, 05:45 PM)
QUOTE (Sanders @ Aug 1 2007, 11:56 AM)
Yes, watch the WHOLE thing.

It gets interesting begining with the part about the fuel switch found in the OFF position.

Wow.

Finished watching it now - a little quirky in presentation but once again it shows that what you see on the news is what they want you to see. The first 24 hours after an event is the only time you will glimpse the real truth before the media machine forgets all that happened and toes the official line.

I agree, definitely worth watching all eleven segments. They're only about 10 to 11 minutes long.

Nazis. What can you say? They get away with murder.
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post Aug 1 2007, 09:48 AM
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He was described by his CFI as a meticulous pilot

kept a very detailed log book (the bag he always put his log in was found intact but no log)

he was close to completing his Instrument training

weather was good vfr

eye witnesses saw an explosion were the plane should have been


he was going to run for NY Senator


he would have blown Hildabeast out of the water......couldn't have that


damn it, just damn it
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I realise it is speculation, but the Kissinger character:

"Za father kills za father, za son should kill za son"

Sent chills down my spine.


I don't mind the "quirky" presentation at all, I kind of enjoy it. Besides, if it was anymore "legit" looking, the maker of these two flicks would be inviting alot of trouble - I can't blame him.
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he was going to run for NY Senator


he would have blown Hildabeast out of the water......couldn't have that


YES, YES, YES bill! I've been saying this for years ever since I saw JFK Jr. turn up on one of the "Clinton Death Lists".

I know the movie places the blame at the doorstep of the elites and the Bush crime family. But remember, the Bush and Clinton crime families WORK TOGETHER. And remember, just WHO was at the head of the federal government that could have ordered that ridiculously botched alleged search & rescue mission? BILL CLINTON!

For anyone who still doesn't believe the Clintons and the Bushes work together, check out this thread:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=7924

I am certain that Hildabeast was behind JKF Jr's murder, and she did it using "husband" Bill's dixie mafia connections (probably through Bruce Lindsay) to rig the plane or whatever they did. Then, she used president Bill's power to order the botched wild goose chase search for the plane, and coverup of whatever actually did happen.

PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PLEASE, wake up, if you havn't already, to the evilness of the vile Hillary Clinton. When she gets in (there is no "if" because it's all rigged) she is going to take this country down the road to destruction far beyond what Bush has done.

Under the state of Hillary we are going to have:

- Communism and Fascism all rolled up into one

- Anyone who stands in her way murdered

- More power to the U.N.

- More power to the World Bank and the IMF

- More power to the Zionists

- War in Iran

- Bill Clinton as the "Roving Ambassador to the World" (hide your wives and daughters)

In other words:

WORLD GOVERNMENT angry.gif

Oh, yes, and she'll cut a deal (if she hasn't already) to install Jeb Bush in the presidency after she gets her eight years.

Of course, that's assuming we still even have a country left at all.
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post Aug 1 2007, 10:16 PM
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Well it seems a strange way to execute somebody--wait until he flies his own airplane almost to destination, then splash it in the water, or blow it up rather. It's a good thing I'm not a hit man. B)
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post Aug 1 2007, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE (amazed! @ Aug 2 2007, 02:16 PM)
Well it seems a strange way to execute somebody--wait until he flies his own airplane almost to destination, then splash it in the water, or blow it up rather. It's a good thing I'm not a hit man. B)

The film postulated that he was flying with an instructor (apparently he always flew with one, not to mention he had a bad leg) and that the instructor was a "Manchurian Candidate" mind-controlled to grab the controls and plunge the plane into the water - and also turn the fuel switch to Off, presumably to prevent a recovery if he was overpowered. Now the NTSB reports that the Fuel Switch was indeed set to Off when it was recovered.

To make it appear that Kennedy was flying the plane alone, they sent the recovery team on a wild goose chase of his whole route for 15 hours even though Kennedy had called in to Air Traffic Control when about to make his descent for landing. Which, allegedly, gave them time to remove the instructor's body - and one of the plane's seats was never recovered.

Hence the final story which was widely circulated in the press about Kennedy recklessly saying he didn't need an instructor. It might be all bollocks, but it was very interesting. As it said on the film, there was an interview with a coastguard who pinned the time of Kennedy's call to the tower exactly - but this was "lost" in the news and the Pentagon took over stating they had no idea where the plane might have come down. Why would they do that if it was a genuine accident?
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post Aug 1 2007, 11:20 PM
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I remember thinking exactly what the official theme of the story of his death apparently wanted me to think - rich kid, bad pilot, disoriented and killed himself and, sadly, his family.

Then you learn about the delayed search and the wild goose chase "search" when it should have been obvious where to look immediately,

And the fact they waited around for something after everyone was at the airport,

And he never flew without an instructor -

And this was a new aircraft,

And the helicopter activity at sea near the location of the crash while the official search was going on further south near Long Island,

And, the missing seat where the instructor would have been

And the fuel switch in the "Off" position...

Yeah, it stinks.
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post Aug 2 2007, 12:01 AM
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Wasn't John Jr. under Secret Service protection? I haven't researched this yet but aren't the surviving spouse and children still recognized as the presidential family until their death even if she remarries which she did?

I can think of no other reason for the Pentagon to take over an investigation of a civilian and his aircraft missing unless he was still considered child of a former president. A former U.S. President is still titled Mr. President for life and thereafter. He's paid for life and is protected by secret service agents.

Also one other comment about the videos. There's absolute foul play in all this. No question and I was waiting for a more plausible explanation than what concluded with the 'Manchurian Candidate' but can also say I do not doubt the advancements that have been made under wraps. I just don't know. Kinda like the 911 conspiracy and other covert operations that have been conducted in the past history of the United States and the civilized world.... I'm old enough to remember Eisenhower; Oswald didn't kill JFK; James Earl Ray didn't kill Martin Luther King; Sirhan Sirhan didn't kill Bobby Kennedy; John Kennedy Jr. didn't go nuts right at the last and plunge everyone to their death and 911 was an inside job-but who? All we know is who didn't do it and the circumstances surrounding the explanations given are impossible,
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post Aug 2 2007, 12:45 AM
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QUOTE (garylc1 @ Aug 1 2007, 08:01 PM)
Wasn't John Jr. under Secret Service protection?
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No. Only to the age of 16.
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By law, the Secret Service is authorized to protect the President, Vice President, President-elect, Vice President-elect, and their immediate family members; former Presidents and their spouses; minor children of a former President until the age of 16; major Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates, and within 120 days of the general election, their spouses; visiting foreign heads of government or heads of state; and others if authorized by the President. An individual who receives Secret Service protection is referred to as a “protectee.” In 1997, Congressional legislation became effective limiting Secret Service protection to former Presidents for a period of not more than 10 years from the date the President leaves office. (Public Law 103-329)
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Of course this is always used as the example of spatial disorientation.
Even here: http://www.airventure.org/forums/forum_det...&SessionID=7406
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post Aug 2 2007, 04:08 PM
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This should be taught in Conspiracy School 101 - I don't think any of us (and there are some serious tinfoil hat wearers here, I mean that in the nicest possible way!) had pegged JFK Jnr's death as suspicious. Much harder to work out what did happen but there is undoubtedly foul play of some sort .....
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post Aug 2 2007, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE (KP50 @ Aug 2 2007, 12:08 PM)
This should be taught in Conspiracy School 101 - I don't think any of us (and there are some serious tinfoil hat wearers here, I mean that in the nicest possible way!) had pegged JFK Jnr's death as suspicious.

Well, I did. I hadn't taken any time to research it but having lived through JFK, RFK, MLK, and everything that has happened since (the most important stuff completely unknown to the average citizen), there was no way I wouldn't go "hmmm..". I think Wellstone's death is also suspicious as, obviously, is the "anthrax attacks," the pair of "random shooters," various "white vans," "art students," and many other things -- including the beheading of Michael Berg and the Tillman shooting.

We live in a truly beautiful world. I mean, really. If you haven't recently, be sure to step outside, away from your computer and drink it in for a while. It is stunningly beautiful.

But we shouldn't let that beauty blind us to the ugliness of out-of-control criminality. I don't care whether it wears a black ski-mask and a hoodie or is wearing a suit with a white-toothed smile and an American flag lapel pin -- or a Bishop's mitre and bejeweled cross. In fact, the latter two are apt to be far more corrupt and far more dangerous than the first precisely because we've been led to believe that, all in all, they can be trusted. Historical facts be damned.

We are lied to constantly by just about everyone. Learning to hear and see the truth beneath the lies -- that is more difficult. Ultimately, one must know one's self -- the truth of one's self, and that is perhaps the most difficult truth to know.





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Use your tradecraft well, particularly the use of black propaganda, and the ingredient known as "playback." Understanding how effectively your own disinformation is actually working on the enemy.



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Painter,

I finally bought a copy of The Good Shepherd. It was every bit as good as you said it was. Sorry, couldn't go see it in the theater, too many damned idiots there. My wife was even saying, "this sounds like the foundations for 9/11." Yeah, no sh*t.

Thanks for the recommendation pal.
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I wonder if you are a pilot, and if so, what ratings etc?

I don't study accidents closely, but I routinely read the NTSB reports on certain select accidents.

This one was a few years back, and I think I read the report on it. I don't recall there being an instructor on board, but maybe there was.

In order to qualify for the license Kennedy held, an applicant must have some portion of solo and/pilot in command time. Thus, the statement that he always flew with an instructor is inaccurate from the start.

And even though the Manchurian Candidate was going to crash into the sea, he was going to turn the fuel selector off for what particular reason? Goodness, they have the programming down pretty well. I wonder if it was post-hypnotic suggestion they used, or what?

If they wanted to kill the kid, why not do it like they did his father?
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