United Admits "plane Out Of Chicago" Crashed, WTF? day of 9/11 news live coverage Options

[JackD]

http://www.archive.org/details/nbc200109111159-1241

assumed to be from noon-onward

see minute 8:54

"United confirms a second plane crashed OUT OF CHICAGO"

(mistake or somethign else?)


and 10:05 "confirmation that it was plane out of Dulles that crashd into pentago"
(12:10am?)

[amazed!]

The NCC (I think that's right) was spoofed that day it appears, thus reports were peppered through the media.

They say Cleveland terminal was evacuated that day, but maybe that's a story too? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

[JackD]

Ed Ballinger of United Airlines was the dispatch w/ UA 175.

United Airlines HQ could talk live via a text message system to all planes.

NORAD and FAA had radar traces on all planes on 9/11 -- either transponder (like UA175) or primary radar return.

At 8:46, UA 175 goes NORDO, goes off course, and loses transponder (later alleged changed to 3321, then changed again)

(this happens in nearly the same moment as AA11 crash into North Tower)

THEN at 9:03, a plane crashes into WTC2. Mike Jellinek, a canadian running NORAD at Peterson AFB, confirms that the crashed plane was one of the hijacked planes, thought to be UA175.

various comments are made on the news.

but UNITED AIRLINES HQ does NOT CONFIRM the CRASH until 11:40am -- 2 hours and 37 minutes later.

WHY?

how could they be UNSURE about WHICH Of their planes CRASHED WHERE?

it gets better...

TO THIS DAY
UNITED will refuse to confirm, or deny, that UA175 was flown into the WTC.

i am not kidding. they will direct you to the 9./11 CR, they will cite the news, but UNITED AIRLINES WILL NOT CONFIRM IN ANY LEGALLY BINDING SENSE that UA175 hit the South tower.

they merely say UA175 was "lost on 9/11, our condolences to the families"

if anyone else can get an affidavit or even public comment from UAL, do it.

[TheBeatProphet]

I guess United Airlines know something is wrong.

[amazed!]

Yes, and I think United knew its passenger manifests were suspect too.

[Ricochet]

United Airlines states on their tribute to September 11 flight 173.

United history

In remembrance of the employees and passengers lost on Sept. 11, 2001, United issued this commemorative pin to employees throughout the company on the one-year anniversary of the tragedy. The company lost 18 employees and 93 passengers when terrorists crashed Flight 173 into New York's World Trade Center and Flight 93 into the ground near Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

http://www.united.com/page/article/0,1360,50268,00.html


Stranger yet, the pin reads 2000.

This post has been edited by Ricochet: Dec 29 2008, 08:02 PM

[amazed!]

Oh boy, talking about the Freudian Slip! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif)

[Leslie Landry]

In remembrance of the employees and passengers lost on Sept. 11, 2001, United issued this commemorative pin to employees throughout the company on the one-year anniversary of the tragedy. The company lost 18 employees and 93 passengers when terrorists crashed Flight 173 into New York's World Trade Center and Flight 93 into the ground near Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

http://www.united.com/page/article/0,1360,50268,00.html

In case you missed it...it reads "Flight 173" not Flight 175

Reason for edit: Added Above Link

[painter]

Maybe reality actually is fracturing. This would explain all the bizarre time stamps on pentagon security videos, the bizarre traffic patterns in 84 rades, the fact that FDR data doesn't match physical evidence, that buildings can just "collapse" at free-fall speed, etc.

Yeah, that's it. The official CT **IS TRUE** in one reality stream but some of us are in a slightly tangential (alternate) reality stream!

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/doh1.gif)






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[grizz]

Sometimes I wonder if we're already chipped and we are really in The Matrix. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[Ricochet]

In case you missed it...it reads "Flight 173" not Flight 175

This was my intent to show UAL side stepping the issue of UA175. Sorry I did not make that clear, I too got wrapped up in the commemorative pin deal. They do not list the employees on their website. Quite the way to honor your dead.

[JackD]

Ed Ballinger of United Airlines was the dispatch w/ UA 175.

United Airlines HQ could talk live via a text message system to all planes.

NORAD and FAA had radar traces on all planes on 9/11 -- either transponder (like UA175) or primary radar return.

At 8:46, UA 175 goes NORDO, goes off course, and loses transponder (later alleged changed to 3321, then changed again)

(this happens in nearly the same moment as AA11 crash into North Tower)

THEN at 9:03, a plane crashes into WTC2. Mike Jellinek, a canadian running NORAD at Peterson AFB, confirms that the crashed plane was one of the hijacked planes, thought to be UA175.

various comments are made on the news.

but UNITED AIRLINES HQ does NOT CONFIRM the CRASH until 11:40am -- 2 hours and 37 minutes later.

WHY?

how could they be UNSURE about WHICH Of their planes CRASHED WHERE?

it gets better...

TO THIS DAY
UNITED will refuse to confirm, or deny, that UA175 was flown into the WTC.

i am not kidding. they will direct you to the 9./11 CR, they will cite the news, but UNITED AIRLINES WILL NOT CONFIRM IN ANY LEGALLY BINDING SENSE that UA175 hit the South tower.

they merely say UA175 was "lost on 9/11, our condolences to the families"

if anyone else can get an affidavit or even public comment from UAL, do it.

Seriously, this is a legal challenge

Call up United Airlines or see their website -- and ask them "Can you confirm that UA175 was hijacked? Can you confirm that UA175 struck the South Tower of the WTC? Can you issue a signed affadavit from your legal department testifying to both facts above (i mean, 299 million americans believe it , right, so, what's the issue??"

They will not do it.

not for a million bucks

United is dirty on this.

they know

you know

everyone knowns

United airlines is "f----d' if anyone ACTUALLY probes 'the truth

http://faq.ua2go.com/display/4/kb/atr/inde...amp;r=0.3628451

see contact site above.

anyone with the patience to get a written answer wins a case of cold corndogs from yours truly

JackD

[Kesha]

Seriously, this is a legal challenge

Call up United Airlines or see their website -- and ask them "Can you confirm that UA175 was hijacked? Can you confirm that UA175 struck the South Tower of the WTC? Can you issue a signed affadavit from your legal department testifying to both facts above (i mean, 299 million americans believe it , right, so, what's the issue??"

They will not do it.

not for a million bucks

United is dirty on this.

they know

you know

everyone knowns

United airlines is "f----d' if anyone ACTUALLY probes 'the truth

http://faq.ua2go.com/display/4/kb/atr/inde...amp;r=0.3628451

see contact site above.

anyone with the patience to get a written answer wins a case of cold corndogs from yours truly

JackD

Ok, I`ll do it... will contact them.

Did it once... why not twice:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/amrarticle.html

The Chad Kinder Email: One piece of evidence was brought to our attention by a member of the Pilots for 9/11 Truth forums who goes by the alias “Kesha.” Using one of these forums, “Kesha” reported that the following email exchange had been posted February 17, 2006, on a German political forum. A person using the alias “the Paradroid” had sent this email to American Airlines:

Maybe there`s a chance that my German "accent" will make them less suspicious...

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This post has been edited by Kesha: Jan 27 2009, 04:14 PM

[dMz]

United Airlines states on their tribute to September 11 flight 173.


<a href="http://www.united.com/page/article/0,1360,50268,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.united.com/page/article/0,1360,50268,00.html</a>

Stranger yet, the pin reads 2000.

According to the following page (which is one of the few remaining passenger/crew sources that I've been able to locate recently):

http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11...ms/flight93.htm

There were 7 crew, 33 passengers on UA93.

From:

http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11...s/flight175.htm

There were 9 crew and 48 passengers confirmed dead, with 2 more passengers reported dead on UA175.

Of course, that United page that Rico linked above:

http://www.united.com/page/article/0,1360,50268,00.html

states again:

"The company lost 18 employees and 93 passengers when terrorists crashed Flight 173 into New York's World Trade Center and Flight 93 into the ground near Shanksville, Pennsylvania."

7+9 = 16 crew

33+48 = 81 passengers (+2 more reported dead) = 83 passengers
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Related post is at:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10763403

[dMz]

According to USA Today however:

http://usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/11/victims-list.htm

"United Airlines Flight 93: A Boeing 757 en route from Newark, N.J., to San Francisco. The plane was carrying 37 passengers, two pilots and five flight attendants. It crashed southeast of Pittsburgh around 10 a.m ET Tuesday." [7 crewmembers]

"United Airlines Flight 175: A Boeing 767 bound from Boston to Los Angeles. The plane was carrying 56 passengers, two pilots and seven flight attendants. It crashed into the other tower of the World Trade Center shortly after 9 a.m." [9 crewmembers]

In August 2006, apparently United refused to release updated passenger/crew lists:

http://sowtp.org/The_Facts_Of_September_11...d_Crew_List.htm

[paranoia]

jackD, regarding the OP and Chicago, is it possible that in the chaos there was some confusion at United or by whoever was reporting it on the news, since it was gte/verizon's chicago call center that received Beamer's call? maybe the info was relayed by gte/verizon to united's public relations or to some of the network news people, and the info was jotted down by an overzealous or hasty reporter who took notes quickly and didnt filter the information, and then it aired? since it was chicago that received the (alleged) beamer call, i have to wonder if thats where that misinformation came from.


***

on a sidenote from the OP, here is a compilation of info about that call:

GTE Airfone's Chicago

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:jNG7lB...;cd=2&gl=us

Passenger Todd Beamer speaks with GTE supervisor Lisa Jefferson for 13 minutes, starting at 9:45. Jefferson later says that Beamer “stayed calm through the entire conversation. He made me doubt the severity of the call.” She tells Beamer’s wife, “If I hadn’t known it was a real hijacking, I’d have thought it was a crank call, because Todd was so rational and methodical about what he was doing.” [Beamer and Abraham, 2002, pp. 211; Beliefnet (.com), 2006]


above links to:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/084...enterforcoop-20 (book by lisa beamer for sale)

history commons also links to:
http://www.beliefnet.com/Inspiration/2006/...nt-Hang-Up.aspx

'I Promised I Wouldn't Hang Up'
Lisa Jefferson, the phone supervisor who took Todd Beamer's call on Flight 93, believes God called her for a purpose.

(very interesting article, includes audio bytes, makes sure to read all 3 pages to get the full fundie feel)

2 random quotes:

I was the supervisor over the call center in Oakbrook, Illinois, for Verizon Airfone, and someone had just come into the call center and asked me if I heard about the two planes that had just crashed into the World Trade Center and at that point, I told her no. And I said, “Two planes?” I said to myself, that didn’t sound like a mistake. You know, it sounded like it was meant for a purpose. As I stepped out of my office, I probably took six steps, and then I was stopped by a representative that received the actual phone call from Todd in flight. She called me over to her station and told me that she had a gentleman on her line and his plane was being hijacked. I asked her information that I needed to report to our surveillance center. And by the time I came back, she appeared to be traumatized, and that’s when I told her I would take the call over…I was asking her additional information and she wasn’t answering me. She was just dazed.

And so I actually lifted her up out of her seat and put her in the seat next to me, and I put her headset on and took her call over.

and

"After he said, “Let’s roll,” he left the phone and I would assume that’s at the point that they went to charge the cockpit. And I was still on the line and the plane took a dive and by then, it just went silent. I held on until after the plane crashed—probably about 15 minutes longer and I never heard a crash—it just went silent because—I can’t explain it. We didn’t lose a connection because there’s a different sound that you use. It’s a squealing sound when you lose a connection. I never lost connection, but it just went silent.

It seemed like you had to be taken off the phone.

I just could not believe that that plane had crashed because we never gave up hope. We both just talked about them landing their plane safely, he gave me personal information regarding him and his family. And people in the company started gathering around me in the call center because they knew I was on the phone with one of the planes that was being hijacked. And at the time when the plane crashed, they had announced over the radio that United Airlines Flight 93 had just crashed in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, and a guy put his hand on my shoulder and said, “Lisa, you can release the line now. That was his plane.” And I said, “No way.” And I kept calling his name and calling his name, hoping that he--just praying that anyone would come and pick up the phone. But they never did. But I just did not want to give up. I just felt that somebody was going to pick up that phone, and eventually I gave in and I hung the phone up."





the 2 lisas (beamer/jefferson) on oprah (cant find any transcript or video):
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0887631/

2 lisas on larry king (actual transcript) aired 9/11/2002:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0209/11/lkl.00.html

jefferson KINDA contradicts her beliefnet versio, where she said she wasNt AWARE
of the 2nd plane crash and did NOT relay that information to Beamer:

"KING: Did you tell him about the World Trade Center and the Pentagon?

JEFFERSON: No I did not, because I didn't know at that time.

KING: You didn't know?

JEFFERSON: No.

KING: So you're totally in the dark here.

JEFFERSON: Correct."



jefferson is outright contradictory in this account as relayed by the post gazette,
this from the FIRST ever public report about that call (extra details included in excerpt for context's sake):
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010922gtenat4p4.asp

Jefferson said the day had begun normally in GTE Airfone's Chicago call center, but turned chaotic with word from radio broadcasts that two jetliners had crashed into the World Trade Center in New York.

The center had made dozens of connections for passengers on the other downed jets. About two dozen more calls came from Flight 93.

Operators weren't privy to most of the calls, placed to private parties -- mostly loved ones -- by passengers. Beamer, 32, of Cranbury, N.J., was the only passenger who dialed zero for the Airfone operator.

He reached Phyllis Johnson.

Johnson quickly turned the call over to Jefferson, her supervisor, who immediately contacted the FBI, airline security and Verizon operations personnel. Then she spoke with Beamer.

His voice and conversational tone belied the chaos that had developed in the skies over Pennsylvania, Jefferson said. Through the din of screams and commotion, Beamer and Jefferson conversed like old friends.

"I introduced myself as Mrs. Jefferson. I said, 'I understand that you're on United Flight 93 and it's being hijacked.' And I asked him to explain."

He knew there were at least three hijackers, two with knives who had commandeered the plane's controls and one with a suspected bomb strapped around his waist who kept watch on the passengers.

The pilot and copilot lay motionless on the floor in front of a curtain that had been drawn by the bomb-carrying hijacker. Beamer told Jefferson he could not tell whether the pilot, Capt. Jason Dahl, 43, of Denver, or first officer, LeRoy Homer, 36, of Marlton, N.J., were alive.

She told Beamer about the two planes crashing in New York.

Beamer began to tell Jefferson about himself, where he was from, that he had two sons, David, 3, and Andrew, 1, and that his wife was expecting their third child in January.

The plane lurched and Beamer grew excited.

"By then he raised his voice slightly. He didn't shout. The plane was flying erratically and he said, 'We're going down! We're going down!' Then he said, 'We're coming back up. We're turning around and going back north.' At this point he didn't know where it was going," Jefferson said.


im not 100% sure, but the implication here of significance is that if the lisa jefferson did NOT tell beamer about NY and the WTC's, then the passengers would NOT have reason to assume that their deaths were imminent and inevitable. since most hijcakings end up with landings and demands made using human lives as leverage, the average person in a real hijack usually takes their chances passivley, waiting for a "natural" outcome of events. the official story depends on people onboard 93 knowing for sure that 2 planes were crashed in NY, so that the "lets roll" john wayne story can make sense/apply. so which is it? did jefferson tell beamer about 2 plane crashes in NY or not?

and if not, then who did? i know have heard of one other call (escapes my memory currently) but allegedly the wife of one of the flight "93" passengers was on the phone for over 30 minutes back and forth with her husband, and she also relayed this info about the hijackers having definite crash-planes-into-targets plans in store. but that call is ridiculous if im not mistaken its allegedly from a cell phone, cuz the wife claimed to have recognized her husband's number on the caller id.

i will try and find it later (its getting late), but if anyone knows the name and story to which im referring to, please post it.

minus that other call, beamer/jefferson is the only basis for the catalyst to "let's roll". since that other call is so incredibly incredible, it can to a high degree of certainty, be dismissed as complete bullshiit. so take away beamer/jefferson's wtc talk and theres nothing left to substantiate the passenger uprising onboard "93". nothing at all.

[Leslie Landry]

This was my intent to show UAL side stepping the issue of UA175. Sorry I did not make that clear, I too got wrapped up in the commemorative pin deal. They do not list the employees on their website. Quite the way to honor your dead.

yes..i realised that after that you already stated that. i didnt see that you wrote that at the top before the quote. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[JackD]

... United Airlines has its HQ facility in Oak Grove Ill, a Chicago suburb.

Perhaps this created the confusion about 'United plane out of chicago crashed' --

However, I think that something is very fishy about United's knowledge of events on AM of 9/11/01 -- they did not admit that UA175 was lost until quite late in day, nearly noon, and even then, their public statements simply acknowledge that they believe it is crashed --

They never say 'it crashed into WTC2 at 903am'

why?