Deliberate Misrepresentation of Evidence, Videos carefully crafted to be easily debunked Options

[Natasha]

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU READ THIS THREAD FIRST.



Hi painter, and everybody,


I am a new member. I am not a pilot, and I am no scientist by a long shot either. I promise to do my very best, to be both respectful and patient though, and I think I have something to offer.

A lot of people have been extremely turned off, to the ideas Fred and Killtown have been misrepresenting and purposely presenting very poorly, and I hope it is not too late to help undo the damage they have done.

I sure wish I had read, the thread this split off from, quite a bit sooner!

I was still very new to the ideas Fred and company were presenting, and I had just finished watching his 911 Octopus movie, for like the 10th time, when I finally joined their forum just a couple of months ago.

Back when I was a member of Killtown's forum, before they banned me for political reasons, I remember that Fred started a thread about what happened here.

As usual when one of them gets banned, they go to their forum and begin bragging about being banned, by the "nasty fascists" at LC and Pilots etc, and they then rave on and on about how 'they' don't ban people for political reasons.

The hell they don't though. They banned me, because I noticed this pattern, and I began asking them about the other HUGE PR blunders they ALL make on a regular basis also.

I also believe that the videos Fred has been making, are carefully crafted to be easily debunked later, when whoever oversees their modified limited hangout operation [cough Rick Siegel] gives them the word.

Please go here, and read my Rick Siegel's Lunatic Fringe: Todays NAZIS smear you as antisemtic thread on the Loose Change Forum about this.

Odd indeed, how the "nasty fascists" at LC, have left it up for a few days now. But if it's gone, then please go to my Youtube channel, linked to in my signature, and then read my comments section etc.


Thank you for letting me have my say. I hope I can be of service here.

Best to all of you,

Natasha

This post has been edited by Natasha: Aug 18 2007, 01:34 AM

[painter]

Thanks for the warm welcome guys. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

painter I want to respond to what you wrote below.

That may be but good disinformation will be mostly valid information. It is the fraction of bad information you have to weed out. Good disinformation will be generated by those who completely believe the disinformation they are promoting. IOW, it doesn't have to come from someone who knows it is invalid and, in fact, is often more persuasive if it comes from someone who "believes" what they are saying is true, whether it is or not.

While I basically agree with your above statement, I am yet convinced that many of the videos Fred, aka BSreg, has been making, are carefully crafted to be easily debunked later.

That was my first impression. But it is hard to tell. These characters do seem genuinely 'adolescent' to me. Remember, Dylan Avery was 19 when he began making Loose Change. So it is also conceivable in my mind that they just don't 'get it'. However, the fact that this is being shepherded by Siegal -- who I once trusted but have come to distrust enormously -- puts it into a class of uncertainty. I'll just say I think your suspicions are well founded.

Now of course, if he is an actual COINTEL op, operating with a limited hangout team, as I believe is the case, he surely does believe in NPT because he knows for a fact exactly how 911 was done.

He very well may even have been involved in carrying out 911.

My guess is that he was part of the WESCAM Media Interface Operations Team, which I will now call WMIOT (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) , and he has been ordered to clean this up OR ELSE, because he did such a shitty job that sad morning. Maybe. Hell. I don't know. My intuition is spot on more often than not though.

I say that about myself as well. However, I have to acknowledge that my intuition is also sometimes very wrong. I'm learning to not jump to conclusions.

I mean look at those poorly faked videos. My lord they stink, and Fred has so many times, I believe, even beat himself over it in his videos.

Please do read my Rick Siegel's Lunatic Fringe thread on Loose Change folks. I have presented evidence there, which when taken all together, I believe discloses a real pattern of intent.

Ask yourselves this.

Why has the government gone to so much trouble, just to discredit something, that is not even credible in the first place?

I mean think about it.

Believe me, I have. I believe there is something very real here -- something worthy of our time and discussion. You might want to take a look at this thread started months ago: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=2504 The document it is quoting was published decades before 9/11 -- and so we can be certain that the amount of interfacing they can do now is far superior to anything being discussed openly then. This came up briefly in another thread that I've now lost track of and don't know where to find. (One thing I don't like about this invisionfree forum software is it doesn't allow you to keep track of your posts unless you started the topic thread.)

Somebody even dosed David Shayler, the ex MI5 OP who was such an incredibly effective speaker for 911 truth, with some sort of powerful drug to drive him over the edge. Is it just a coincidence, that they did this to him, soon after he began speaking about NPT and media complicity? I doubt it very much. They only seek to destroy, whoever and whatever, is a real threat to them.

Hey 911moventdotorg boys. Dodge this.

You seem very sure of this -- what is your source?

If I may, I'd like to make a suggestion. The OP and thread title has to do with commentary about how this forum is moderated. That is actually its topic. I understand the cross-over but rather than taking this way off topic with another topic, I'd appreciate it if you'd start a new threat about these subjects that we can reply in. It just saves us a lot of confusion in tracking discussion -- and would be better with a more appropriate thread subject title.

Will you consider that?

Thanks