Deliberate Misrepresentation of Evidence, Videos carefully crafted to be easily debunked Options

[Natasha]

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU READ THIS THREAD FIRST.



Hi painter, and everybody,


I am a new member. I am not a pilot, and I am no scientist by a long shot either. I promise to do my very best, to be both respectful and patient though, and I think I have something to offer.

A lot of people have been extremely turned off, to the ideas Fred and Killtown have been misrepresenting and purposely presenting very poorly, and I hope it is not too late to help undo the damage they have done.

I sure wish I had read, the thread this split off from, quite a bit sooner!

I was still very new to the ideas Fred and company were presenting, and I had just finished watching his 911 Octopus movie, for like the 10th time, when I finally joined their forum just a couple of months ago.

Back when I was a member of Killtown's forum, before they banned me for political reasons, I remember that Fred started a thread about what happened here.

As usual when one of them gets banned, they go to their forum and begin bragging about being banned, by the "nasty fascists" at LC and Pilots etc, and they then rave on and on about how 'they' don't ban people for political reasons.

The hell they don't though. They banned me, because I noticed this pattern, and I began asking them about the other HUGE PR blunders they ALL make on a regular basis also.

I also believe that the videos Fred has been making, are carefully crafted to be easily debunked later, when whoever oversees their modified limited hangout operation [cough Rick Siegel] gives them the word.

Please go here, and read my Rick Siegel's Lunatic Fringe: Todays NAZIS smear you as antisemtic thread on the Loose Change Forum about this.

Odd indeed, how the "nasty fascists" at LC, have left it up for a few days now. But if it's gone, then please go to my Youtube channel, linked to in my signature, and then read my comments section etc.


Thank you for letting me have my say. I hope I can be of service here.

Best to all of you,

Natasha

This post has been edited by Natasha: Aug 18 2007, 01:34 AM

[painter]

I appreciate the patient admonitions, made by both you and Sanders, that I need to take greater care to be objective and to refrain from jumping to conclusions. You guys are right. I really do need to be more circumspect, and I am going to make a real effort to do so.

I can agree, that sometimes in some things, uncertainty is a more productive state than belief. Is not though your statement that, " "uncertainty" is a more productive state than "belief." ", yet something which you believe? You do seem very certain about that, and your statement taken literally clearly implies that certainty is a product of, or an indication of, a state of belief.

Now would I be foolish, to "look beyond" your literal statement, to then "sense", feel or "know", what your intended meaning really is? I mean how could I be certain? How do any of us 'know' anything? How can we "bust a move" during a crisis or when in danger, when there is no time for thinking, if we do not accept our uncertainty and believe whatever it is that guides us at such times? I beleive your statement is just such a guiding belief. Not untrue, it points to something beyond it's literal meaning, and it circumvents linear thought. That my friend is the essence of belief. Are you certain, that you didn't rather mean, "uncertainty" is a more productive state than "certainty." I believe you need to think this through a bit more. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I can say I think, and to my mind, that infers some amount of uncertainty, with which I have no quarrel. I can say also that I believe, and to my mind that infers neither an utter lack of uncertainty, nor any sort of absolute certainty closed to further possibility, but rather merely less uncertainty.

Thirty years ago, about the time I began to loose my fear of becoming literate (up to that time I had been, more than you would likely suspect), I was reading a lot. I did not grow up reading a as many children do today. I did not like words and did not trust them, and largely still don't. Words are spells -- which is why "spelling" a word [weird] correctly is so important. It's a long story -- if you look at my "esotericism" thread pinned in this forum, it may give you some clues.

I remember reading one statement that really stuck in my mind. As I recall, it went something like this: "If we speak from what we know without doubt to be true, then we can communicate." Tthe quote is from Krishnamurti but I've lost track of which book it is in and have not been able to find it so I'm not sure I'm quoting it exactly. But perhaps that doesn't really matter. What matters is reading those words left a very strong impression on me. The meaning that I ascribed to them put myself into question: Indeed, what DO I know, without doubt to be true?

Some years later I came upon another group of words I would like to share with you now:

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I take all true skepticism to be the search for a quiet centre within the mind that can resist the pull of subjective opinion, mechanical logic, and authoritarian belief. Nearer to that centre of the mind, it seems that a double certainty appears -- the certainty that it is humanly possible to know reality directly and the certainty that there are infinitely higher levels of being to be served beyond and within the human frame. Thus does a form of faith arise alongside the rejection of belief.

In my world, knowledge is one thing and understanding is another thing, related through being. I can acquire information and derive knowledge from it but if there is not a corresponding growth in being, then my understanding will necessarily be limited. To understand more, it is not enough to gain more knowledge -- something in me has to change in order for understanding to grow. If you've seen the movie "V" you are made witness to Ev's transformation. Something gave her life meaning, and that meaning became more important to hear than life itself.

If you know what I mean. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)