Plane Sized Holes And No Planes, Reconciling the Evidence with NPT Options

[Factfinder Gener...]

FFG

The truth of the details will never be known, absent some sort of national epiphany.

The truth of the big picture is already unraveled, for those willing to open their eyes.

Whether or not there were planes is hardly a detail. It is the crux of the matter and constitutes the Means of the crime. From there we can begin to establish Motive and Opportunity and then develop a reasonable suspicion as to our suspect(s).

A prosecutor would not be able to move forward with his case if he hadn't even established the Means of the crime.

Imagine, if you will, that there was a suspected murder but no one was clear about how the person was killed?

How would one even be certain that the victim had been murdered?

Means is primary, Amazed, my dear fellow.

This post has been edited by Factfinder General: Aug 27 2007, 11:17 PM

[Natasha]

You have great grace FFG. You appreciate and treat properly those who oppose you, and this greatly enhances your work. I also find it a very endearing quality as well. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[amazed!]

FFG

The means of the crime? If there were airplanes, they did not bring down the towers, and obviously not #7.

Assuming we agree that the crime in this particular discussion is the demolition of the buildings, the means to that crime were some sort of explosive devices.

The airplanes merely provided a fantastic illusion of the means of the crime. And in the political world, illusion is everything.

[Factfinder Gener...]

FFG

The means of the crime?  If there were airplanes, they did not bring down the towers, and obviously not #7.

Assuming we agree that the crime in this particular discussion is the demolition of the buildings, the means to that crime were some sort of explosive devices.

The airplanes merely provided a fantastic illusion of the means of the crime.  And in the political world, illusion is everything.

Adopting, once again, our legal metaphor here: what you suggest would be all together too vague for a prosecutor. A prosecutor needs to pin down the precise details of means. If murder by the administration of a fatal wound then the weapon utilized should be ascertained. If the weapon was a gun then the type of gun should be ascertained etc. etc.

If indeed deception (i.e. illusion) is at issue, the precise means of deception should be ascertained also.

The ability to accurately "finger" the perpetrator and where applicable the accomplices, leads on from accurately and unambiguously establishing particular means.

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This post has been edited by Factfinder General: Aug 28 2007, 10:56 AM

[amazed!]

Well clearly, the prosecutor has his work cut out for him! B)

Can we come to a definition of the crime we speak of here?

[Factfinder Gener...]

Well clearly, the prosecutor has his work cut out for him! B)

Can we come to a definition of the crime we speak of here?

September 11 2001: Attack On America.

In broad terms, of course.

[amazed!]

The broadest possible, it seems.

And in those terms faked pictures don't seem relevant to the means, motive or any other aspect.

I was thinking in more narrow terms, such as the demolition of the WTC buildings and towers.

In which case neither airplanes nor faked videos were the means for that specific crime. :ph43r:

[Factfinder Gener...]

faked pictures don't seem relevant to the means, motive or any other aspect.

... in more narrow terms, such as the demolition of the WTC buildings and towers.

... neither airplanes nor faked videos were the means for that specific crime.  :ph43r:

Fake Videos are circumstantial evidence of the means, i.e. if the planes weren't real then something else must have caused the explosion.

The primary impact explosions were the initiating event of the crime though obviously not the final blow.

The crime was a series of explosions basically, leading to destruction and death on a tragic and massive scale.

I know we both agree on that much.

Fake videos also give us important clues as to who we might be dealing with here.

A good prosecutor assesses all the relevant evidence.

This post has been edited by Factfinder General: Aug 29 2007, 01:38 AM

[amazed!]

Yes, we are in agreement on that much.

And, in general terms we know who did this. And if fake videos are involved, it confirms that the people we are dealing with are very powerful indeed. Or on the other hand, the number of people involved in the illusion is rather large.

And we certainly agree that ALL the evidence must be considered, keeping in mind that SOME of the evidence will be planted, fake, and meant to lead us astray, for we are indeed dealing with powerful and skilfull criminals.

[Factfinder Gener...]

Yes, we are in agreement on that much.

And, in general terms we know who did this.  And if fake videos are involved, it confirms that the people we are dealing with are very powerful indeed.  Or on the other hand, the number of people involved in the illusion is rather large.

And we certainly agree that ALL the evidence must be considered, keeping in mind that SOME of the evidence will be planted, fake, and meant to lead us astray, for we are indeed dealing with powerful and skilfull criminals.

And you, amazed!, my dear fellow, have just so wonderfully illustrated, both in the exchange we have just participated in, and by this: your posted conclusion to this exchange, why I am so very pleased and grateful to be here at Pilots for 911 Truth!

(I am also pleased and grateful that you have the patience to follow along with my sometimes deliriously convoluted compound sentences (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )

Bravo, amazed! And thank you for proving to me (yet again, all esteemed Alt. Theory Forum Chatters) that the art of reasoned debate is alive and well and kicking, over here at P4911T! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cheers.gif)

This post has been edited by Factfinder General: Aug 29 2007, 07:26 PM

[amazed!]

My pleasure Dude! Thanks for the compliment. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cheers.gif)