A Few New Pics Of The Plane Part Found On The Roof, of WTC 5
Sep 8 2007, 01:12 AM
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These seem to have been taken on 9/24/2001, based on info in a couple of the photos in the set and the general progress in clearing Vesey street. Included here more for context than anything else... you can make out the plane part on the roof in a couple of them.
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Based on the logic and CAD dimensions from:
Boeing 757 windows typically measure 10.0" W ( 0.254 m) x 14.0" H ( 0.356 m) in the "real world" from a Boeing CAD drawing.
When I look at Waterdancer's closeup photo (with the construction worker), I measured the left window in GIMP at 16.0 pixels W x 21.1 pixels high, which suggests a "scale factor" of 1.60 pixel/real world inch ( or rwi). The window "aspect" here was 1.31875
The right window measured at 19.1 pixels W x 21.2 pixels H, with an "aspect" of 1.109947644- this seems skewed IMHO.
I measured the fuselage "height" at 54.7 pixels (measured parallel to window "height"). If I use the 1.60 pixel/rwi scale factor, this gives 54.7 / 1.60 or 34.1875 inches "high."
I measured the fuselage "length" at 141.2 pixels (up to the apparent building siding). 141.2 / 1.6 gives 88.25 inches "long."
Similar scale transformations could be done for the 1.91 pixel/rwi factor, but I find the 1.60 scale factor to be much closer to the 1.40 CAD "scale factor, so I used that value. These are of course approximations, but what other numbers have we got at this point, since the FBI has not produced this piece of "evidence" 6.5 years later?
FWIW, I estimated the visible portion of the construction worker's "height" at 67 pixels, (but he is much "deeper" into this field of view).
With the proximity of the "fuselage" to the WTC5 roof door/stairwell in the above photo, is it unreasonable to hypothesize that this approximately steel "man door"-sized (36" x 80") aluminum "fuselage" might have been planted from inside WTC5, possibly by 2 men?
Admins: while the gray color suggests UA175, should this thread be moved to the WTC location section, as we can more definitely determine this to be the roof of WT5 than which flight this/these piece(s) came from? Fire, dust, and shadow could all contribute to the dark color seen in the photo.
EDIT: This is Strange Coincidence #119 at:
"Only existing photo of 'Flight 175' windowed fuselage atop WTC5, featured in Popular Mechanics, was not taken until Oct 25, and was found ON TOP of cladding from the collapse of WTC1, not under it, 6 feet from the roof access door "
The original photo is at:
EDIT2: EXIF data for the original FEMA photo above indicates:
Camera model: Canon PowerShot S300
Software: Adobe Photoshop CS Windows
Date modified: 2005:01:12 14:51:36
Artist: Gene Corley
Date taken: 2001:10:25 17:03:56
This post has been edited by dMole: May 29 2008, 06:37 AM
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