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USAF 84 RADES Data For UA175 Indicates Mach 1 Speed?, edited title

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post Sep 21 2007, 01:31 PM
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Flight UA 175: An Incredible Journey

In August 2006 the NTSB, in response to a NSA FOI request, finally released details of the 9/11 flights.

NTSB Releases 9/11 Flight Information

When going over the report in reference to another thread it suddenly dawned on me how incredible a journey the flight of United Airlines 175 actually was. Report Here

The report includes a flight profile, a ground track, A pressure altitude graph derived from radar mode C returns, and a transcript of radio communications.

Below is a widely published graphic of the flight path:

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The following is a "blow by blow" of the alleged plane's astonishing flight, taken from the report:

United Airlines Flight 175 departed Boston Logan at 8:14AM

It reached 31,000 feet at 8:33AM

The final radio transmission was at 8:42AM

Beacon Codes were changed twice within one minute at 8:47AM

UA 175 started into a climbing turn to the South East at 8:51AM

It reached 33,500 feet at 8:53AM

UA 175 began its descent while continuing its turn

It turned towards North East while its descent continued

The "plane" was now headed towards WTC2 in a direction of North east (45 degrees)
at what is termed point (G)

Its altitude at this point was 25,000 feet at 8:58 AM

It was at 24,000 feet at 8:59AM

18,500 feet at 9:00AM

15,000 feet at 9:01AM

9,000 feet at 9:02AM

The "plane" is presumed to have struck its target at a height under 1000 feet at 9:02 40 AM. Mission Accomplished. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/sweat.gif)

(END FLIGHT SUMMARY)

Now point (G) where UA 175 starts heading straight for WTC2 is just east of Trenton, NJ. The targeted tower is approximately sixty miles away at this point.

(IMG:http://mcraeclan.com/Caitlin/g/NewJerseyMap.gif)

This is incredible target acquisitioning, but just as incredible is the fact that according to the NTSB report, which was founded on three sets of radar data ( FAA, JFK Approach and USAF) the alleged plane covered the sixty mile distance in approximately 4 minutes and 40 seconds. That works out to an average of 774 mph; this is above Mach 1! (The altitude ascent and descent are worthy of interest too, I might add)

Now a Boeing 767's cruising speed is Mach 0.8 at 35,000 feet which is 530 mph. Its Maximum cruising speed is Mach 0.86 which is 568 mph.

An average speed of 774 mph on a descent from 25,000 feet to below 1,000 feet, covering a distance of sixty miles directly towards target in just over 4.5 minutes, represents a totally impossible achievement, on multiple levels, for a mid-size wide-body twinjet airliner.

This surely is not a Boeing 767. It can't even be a Tomahawk Penetrator as these are subsonic (though a supersonic variant is in the works). Now I know the following option is in the "not quite out of the showroom" category but the above flight profile (and the impressively explosive finale at flight's end) does fit the new breed of Tactical Penetrator: the RATTLRS.

(IMG:http://www.wvi.com/~sr71webmaster/pc022a.jpg)

Revolutionary Approach To Time-critical Long Range Strike (RATTLRS) represents a new supersonic cruise missile concept, enabling warfighters to rapidly launch precision attacks against time-critical targets, from ranges of hundreds of kilometers. When planning RATTLERS missions, users will be able to adjust fuel consumption, speed and range to address a particular mission objective. Unlike current cruise missiles, depending on a lengthy and complex mission planning process, RATTLRS will feature much faster mission preparation, taking only few minutes. Missiles will be able to strike a target after flying a distance of hundreds of kilometers, within 30 minutes from target detection. One of the main advantages of RATTLRS is its ability to cruise at variable speeds, including supersonic speed.
Update on RATTLRS

(END EXCERPT)

For all those people seeking a candidate for a projectile that looks like a plane but stings like a penetrator, this might fit the bill. The Military Establishment may just be beginning to unveil RATTLRS now but who's to say they weren't tempted to road test it a couple of times back in 2001?

As a point of interest, m-v-b has another thread going on where he is in the early stages of calculating speeds from the 2nd Hit videos. Thus far he has been turning up astonishingly high speeds including one in the Mach 1 range. Flight 175 Cruise Speed - Could It be?

I am sure that the NTSB will be pleased to see independent corroboration of their mind-blowing report.

Factfinder General September 21 2007

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QUOTE (Factfinder General @ Sep 21 2007, 08:16 PM)
QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Sep 21 2007, 10:07 PM)

Thank You Much, Oceans Flow. What a nifty little vid our good fellow, m-v-b, put together. Did you watch it? Raises a smile when the music shifts gear and the caption just says Wow! Very nicely done I thought! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Yeah. I'm going to use this on my home board. It's very strong evidence.
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- Factfinder General   USAF 84 RADES Data For UA175 Indicates Mach 1 Speed?   Sep 21 2007, 01:31 PM
- - m-v-b   Looks like you just debunked the Offical Theorie w...   Sep 21 2007, 04:12 PM
- - m-v-b   I hope i did nothing wrong. Pls correct me if need...   Sep 21 2007, 05:00 PM
- - m-v-b   i couldnt resist, and made a short movie for the y...   Sep 21 2007, 05:55 PM
- - Factfinder General   On the other end of the spectrum, a scrutiny of th...   Sep 21 2007, 07:43 PM
- - Factfinder General   QUOTE (m-v-b @ Sep 21 2007, 04:55 P...   Sep 21 2007, 08:04 PM
- - Oceans Flow   Good job, FfG!   Sep 21 2007, 11:07 PM
- - Factfinder General   QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Sep 21 2007, 10:07 PM)Go...   Sep 21 2007, 11:16 PM
- - Oceans Flow   QUOTE (Factfinder General @ Sep 21 2007, 08:1...   Sep 21 2007, 11:22 PM
- - m-v-b   Also watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x...   Sep 22 2007, 03:07 AM
- - m-v-b   I just where forced to relook at the messurement, ...   Sep 22 2007, 09:15 AM
- - Factfinder General   QUOTE (m-v-b @ Sep 22 2007, 08:15 A...   Sep 22 2007, 09:52 AM
- - Factfinder General   QUOTE (Factfinder General @ Sep 22 2007, 08:5...   Sep 22 2007, 10:48 AM
- - m-v-b   Hey Factfinder. Yes i recognized, that there is a...   Sep 22 2007, 12:06 PM
- - Sanders   Great work, guys !   Sep 22 2007, 12:44 PM
- - rob balsamo   Wow... really good work guys... I did some quick ...   Sep 22 2007, 01:13 PM
- - Factfinder General   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Sep 22 2007, 12:13 PM)Wo...   Sep 22 2007, 01:22 PM
- - rob balsamo   I used Google Earth for distance.. came out to ~45...   Sep 22 2007, 01:30 PM
- - rob balsamo   Several possibilities exist here... 1. The NTSB s...   Sep 22 2007, 01:37 PM
- - m-v-b   I have to go now, so just a crapy try. :}   Sep 22 2007, 01:52 PM
- - amazed!   FFG Thanks for spendiing the time and doing the m...   Sep 22 2007, 02:35 PM
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- - amazed!   Back to the Future! B)   Sep 22 2007, 10:47 PM
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- - Sanders   QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Sep 23 2007, 01:36 PM)As...   Sep 23 2007, 10:27 AM
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- - m-v-b   Ok Factfinder. Since the NTSB map does not feature...   Sep 24 2007, 10:03 AM
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- - genghis6119   my pleasure. keep it up.   Oct 1 2007, 10:39 PM
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