9/11 Activists Disrupt Bill Maher On Live Tv Options

[grizz]

Maher Boots Protester From Audience

The Associated Press
Saturday, October 20, 2007; 7:02 AM

LOS ANGELES -- Bill Maher can add "security guard" to his job description alongside comedian and political commentator.

Maher on Friday night helped security remove a rowdy protester from the studio during his weekly HBO show "Real Time with Bill Maher," and it was all captured on live television.

Maher was talking science during one of his weekly panel discussions when a protester in his audience stood up, held up a smuggled-in sign reading "9/11 is a cover up fraud" and shouted comments to the same effect.

The host tried to shout down the audience member, who only became more agitated.

"Do we have some (expletive) security in this building," Maher yelled, "or do I have to come down there and kick his (expletive)?"

When security reached the man's aisle and the man resisted leaving, Maher ran into the seats and helped them push him out the door, shouting "Out! Out! Out!"

Several other protesters, sprinkled throughout the audience, then stood up and shouted.

"This isn't the Iowa Caucus, OK, we're not here to debate," Maher shouted with most of his audience cheering him on. "This is the problem with live television."

The incident was shown live on the East Coast, and the network appeared to show the entire affair unedited for the taped-delayed West Coast version.

After the instigators were ejected, Maher told his panelists _ MSNBC's Chris Matthews, Los Angeles Times columnist Joel Stein and Congresswoman Sheila Jackson _ that they often linger outside his studio to share 9/11 conspiracy theories with him and try to get into the show.

"It's the only time I defend Bush," he said.

"I'm thinking about firing my audience department," he added.

Regular audience members found the ruckus thrilling.

"We picked a very exciting night to be here," Eliot Stein, a 54-year-old high school teacher, said via cell phone. "There's few live TV shows anymore, and here you got to see, it was like a movie. it was great."

Phone and e-mail messages left with HBO officials late Friday were not immediately returned.

Washington Post

[Quest]

Great job by those truthers!

This is the way it's done folks. Those truthers are REAL heroes and role models What I thought was especially interesting was Chris Mathews reaction. Of course Mathews knows what the deal is and looked nervous knowing full well he has upheld the "oficial story" since day one as well, only to find that thennoose of truth is ever tightening. Yes, these guys are indeed nervous and afraid someday there will be a reckoning.

I think the next step is to get a surviving member truther in the audience who knows about 911 and have him challenge Maher to a debate and shame him in front of his audience. I would pay to see THAT. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[painter]

I don't know. I have mixed feelings about some of these kinds of actions. Did this gain us any converts? Or did it further crystalize an already polarizing attitude? Maher is an egotistical asshole who has built a career on being just that. So many of our 'talking heads' fall into this category these days. It defines corporate media discourse to an extent: "You're the audience. That comes from the Latin which means "to listen."

Yeah, that is the problem Bill. You want us to be remain your audience to the corporate reality you're peddling -- all contained within that acceptable range of discourse Noam Chomsky spoke about:

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum — even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate."

Attempting to publicly shame these ass hats is one strategy and it does have its merits. It also has its limitations and unintentional consequences. For example, I suspect Maher's audience security scrutiny will only increase as a consequence of this.

It is said that honey catches more flies than vinegar and this is a point that might be worth considering by some activists. If you want to get your local media people interested in 9/11 it might be better to invite them out for pizza and beer -- bring along the lap-top DVD player. That is (on a far pricier scale) exactly what lobbyists do. Salesmanship usually requires more than yelling slogans at your potential buyer or more than attempts at public embarrassment. It is one thing to point a camera in a politician's face and ask him hard questions, it is another to further alienate an already outspoken critic who is a master at perception management -- especially with a large, and potentially allied, audience demographic.

You know what would change Maher's tune? Loss of ratings and audience. If a sizeable percentage of the audience had just gotten up and walked out after the first person was removed, THAT would have sent a very clear message. Of course, we don't have those numbers -- and that is precisely the problem. If the action doesn't win us converts, then what use is the action? Especially if it happens in a context where the audience is ready to or manipulated into siding with the dismissive view?

[Sanders]

I have to agree wholeheartedly with painter. This was Bill Maher's forum, his home turf - he has the mic. He gets to make jokes and take the higher ground, act like the one who is sane, thereby leaving people who are not informed about 9/11 with the impression that those hecklers were not.

Now if 2/3'ds of the entire audience stood up and started shouting "inside job" on National TV, that'd be another story - so I applaud the courage of those "hecklers". I just don't know what good it really did.

At least that's my take.

I don't want to sound sentimental or anything, but the last words in the film Zeitgeist are so full of wisdom ... "when the power of love overcomes the love of power..." (the world will know peace ... or something like that). Getting angry at those that are asleep and trying to win them over with confrontation or taking out frustrations on people by calling them "sheep" etc. won't win this fight - it will only futher polarize people. Convincing people of the truth in this case is a lot like winning a girl's (in my case) heart. Sometimes it's easy, sometimes it takes some doing ... but it can not be done by force.

Now, indisputable evidence is a good equalizer. Every chance I get, I show people four things. Video footage of squibs going off as the towers collapse, the shot of the Pentagon from the left side of the hole with all of the unbroken windows, the two cars parked (& no plane wreckage), the BBC "early" report, and the last simple radar readout from the FDR showing the plane at over 200 feet above the ground. I have never failed to convince anyone in 3 minutes. (Then again, I'm in Japan where the onslaught of propoganda isn't so constant...)

And hey, if we all keep convincing people, then one of these days 2/3'ds of Bill Maher's (or whoever's) audience WILL stand up and shout "inside job", or, in 5 or 10 years "stop the madness, remember 9/11".

I never did care too much for this type of activism. Of course this type of activism doesn't get us any converts and only makes us look more nutty as proved in the video. Bill said it, the audience agreed and applauded it. 9/11 Truthers looked like nutjobs on his show.

The professional approach is what get's us the most converts. Having meetup groups and activism in the streets handing out literature, showing 9/11 documentaries and having speakers speak to the masses. That's what has been proven to work and get converts.

Just wanted to add another point. When i was in Chicago a few weeks ago to see Ron Paul speak, there were two 9/11 Truthers in the crowd that kept yelling sh*t at Ron Paul occasionally. It was starting to piss me off and several other people around me as well. Once Dr. Paul was done speaking, those two 9/11 Truthers got to hear a piece of my mind and a few others' minds. It was very disruptive and disrespectful to the people in the audience trying to listen to Dr. Paul, and it was very disrespectful to Dr. Paul himself. It made me feel like i wanted to distance myself from 9/11 Truth because of their actions.

That type of activism doesn't really serve to do anything but disrupt and cause grief, imo.

[amazed!]

Well the point was made and "casualties" were taken. Those guys didn't want to see the rest of the show anyway! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

The hecklers won the skirmish--Bill made a fool of himself.

Listening to it for the second time, I think Bill made a jerk of himself.

[dnd]

Bill started to make a fool of himself when he started talking about beating them up. That really isn't necessary.

-Dane

Listening to it for the second time, I think Bill made a jerk of himself.

Yes, Bill made a fool of himself to us, but not his audience who applauded and cheered him on.

[Wingmaster05]

I only encourage this kind of activism for when the assholes are speaking, the people who had an actual hand in blatant cover up or planning (think rockefeller/zelikow/etc). Bill is just like his audience, he's still hasn't taken the red pill. Anything outside of mainstream news media coverage is fringe and not even worthy to talk about.

For the most part when this happens I see frustration in a truther's ability to communicate with people. They can't get their closest friends to listen and if they don't have a viable outlet, boycotts and outbursts become the only way to voice their thoughts onto people.



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I did notice that Matthews was uneasy. But also consider how people view us today; actual nutjobs. For arguments sake let us say Matthews wasn't aware of the coverup. Seeing random audience members willing to lose their seat to some absurd cause would be discomforting. Imagine, he could be asking himself in that very moment, "I wonder if there is something to this 911 thing..."

[Quest]

Jesus. Why does it have to be "all or nothing"?

You guys all sound so politically correct; which is especially funny when considering that we are talking about calling out mass-murderers in the form of Bush/neocons. What would anyone say the wives or family members of Nazi prison camps if they were seen shouting, "Murderer!" or "Genocidal maniac!" to Hitler in a public setting? Should those people be admonished for not showing 'restraint"? Should these women be called "nutjobs"? Ridiculous. It is what it is and we don't give people enough credit that everyone else can figure it out for themselves if and when they hear it from more people than just those truthers on Maher's show even if it's not a sit-down, full blown deabte with control demolition videos.

Another point, Bill Maher is not going to "debate" anyone in the audience, these guys, We Are Change wether you agree or not, have planted seeds in people's minds. Like many on these boards people may not agree "inside job" at 1st, but hear it from other sources as well and MAYBE in time, some will look into it and discover the truth for themselves. I say do what we can do when we can do it but do our best to fully educate at the same time as the opportunities arise.

We Are Change, you have my support. Just bring some DVDs and handouts to pass out in the audience next time. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

This post has been edited by Quest: Oct 21 2007, 12:19 AM

We Are Change, you have my support. Just bring some DVDs and handouts to pass out in the audience next time. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

We Are Change are doing an excellent job. But the above video shows that we didn't gain a whole lot, if anything.

[albertchampion]

it is a very challenging proposition to oppose the "official" history.

and there is no way to really do it when the state controls the access to facts.

think on the israeli attack on the uss liberty for a moment. how well did lbj coerce the zionist amerikan press to squelch the story? pretty damn well. 40 years later, that sty is still being squelched.

think about the pueblo, the mayaguez incidents. do you think that the real stories were ever reported?

or how about matrix-churchill?

or the truehandenstalt?

the secret state controls the press. owns bill maher. never forget, he lost his original show because of what he said about the bushits. then he regained "air". do you think he traded his integrity for dollars?

i sure do.

you know, frank rich wrote a column a few weeks back describing the us citizenry as the new "good germans". he got it accurately.

virtually all citizens of the united states are proto-fascists. always have been. always will be.

the model, the paradigm, for george walker bush that karl rove selected was lyndon baines johnson, the first post ww2 murdering fascist gangster[excuse, harry truman may have earned that honor]. but, lbj was the model that rove selected for bush. that was the reason for the stetson and the ranchette. and the false accent. and the mobilisation for a war against a nonentity. and the looting of the treasury. and the empowerment of the secret police.

i think that some of you are too young to remember the lbj era. forgetting that past has brought you this present, and will bring you the future imprisonment.

[André]

There are no politically correct fashion to bring up mass murder and treason, no ideal time to question those who are complicit of these crimes and promote the official lie, too bad if some people find that rude or impolite... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[amazed!]

If it is true that in a time of universal deceit speaking the truth is a revolutionary act, then the WeAreChange folks performed a revolutionary act on Bill Maher's show.

Bloodless, but a revolutionary act, and I admire their courage.

If truth is dependent upon Political Correctness, then we are in pretty bad shape.

With more bloodless revolutionary acts in this area, something will be accomplished.

If the truth dies with thunderous applause, we must remember that this is the human race, having its perceptions hugely manipulated since the TV made its appearance.

[painter]

Who said anything about being "politically correct"?

The question is, is the strategy effective or not?

My point was and remains that this is not the way to reach Bill Maher or anyone like him, assuming they can be reached at all. At this point I doubt Maher can be reached period as he has now been alienated and has an ego investment in his own denial. In other words, he would now have to publicly 'eat crow' and admit that he was wrong about something which egotists like him are not likely to do. But prior too all this the way to have reached him would have been to get through to him on a person-to-person (not audience to celebrity) level. If someone he knew personally or someone with some clout or name recognition (e.g., Charlie Sheen) were to have had dinner with him and present the evidence to him it might have gotten him to thinking about this question and interested enough for him to have done a bit of research on his own. Now he won't out of sheer stubbornness.

The second way to reach him, now the only way open apparently, is through his audience. Alienating people is NOT the way to get through to them. This isn't about being "PC" it is about what works and what doesn't. Good strategies are effective and involve more intelligence and creativity than yelling "9/11 was an inside job" through a bull horn.

I would really appreciate it if people wouldn't take an expressed point of view here and twist it into something it was never intended to be. It really is an insult. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/angry.gif)

[André]

I'm certain Painter that no one meant to insult you, I personally was not reacting to your post, but to the general attitude that we have to be polite about these things, we are way past that.

I'm sure Bill knows about the truth of 911, so there is no point in trying to educate him. If others in the audience had reacted by chanting 911 was an inside job, everything would have been different, but people are scared to speak out, so it's time a few courageous sole to lead the way, it might be ugly even counterproductive at times but at least some people are standing up.

I'm curios, if you were in that audience, how would you have reacted ?

[painter]

I'm certain Painter that no one meant to insult you, I personally was not reacting to your post, but to the general attitude that we have to be polite about these things, we are way past that.

Whether insult was intended is, to me, irrelevant. Is there a "general attitude that we have to be polite about these things?" I don't think so. Again, it isn't a question of being "polite" or being "PC" -- it is a question of effectiveness. Situations vary. Sometimes what is called for is "polite" sometimes not.

I'm sure Bill knows about the truth of 911, so there is no point in trying to educate him.

How can you be sure? May be true. May not be true. But in either case that door is now closed.

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I'm curios, if you were in that audience, how would you have reacted ?

1: I would never be in that audience. I don't even own a TV any more. 2: Had I been, I would have walked out.

[André]

Whether insult was intended is, to me, irrelevant. Is there a "general attitude that we have to be polite about these things?" I don't think so. Again, it isn't a question of being "polite" or being "PC" -- it is a question of effectiveness. Situations vary. Sometimes what is called for is "polite" sometimes not.

Well it's not irrelevant to me, while I may have different viewpoints on some issues, it's never meant to be a personal attack on anyone...as far as effectiveness, we are facing a brick wall, it does not matter what strategy we use, the corporate media won't ever permit the truth to come out. The people in the media are not evil but they are owned, and those who dare question the official story are quickly removed like Rosie, but you already know that.

How can you be sure? May be true. May not be true. But in either case that door is now closed.

I remember it seems like a long time ago, many in the truth movement thought that Opra could lead us... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif) , the door was always closed whatever Maher think he knows.

1: I would never be in that audience. I don't even own a TV any more. 2: Had I been, I would have walked out.

Same here.

[Culper721]

it is a very challenging proposition to oppose the "official" history.

and there is no way to really do it when the state controls the access to facts.

The only way history is controlled by the state controlling of facts is when the populace accepts the state's self-proclaimed power to re-write the rules of argumentation.