Light Pole Was Never Through Windshield, the entire Lloyd scenario was staged
Oct 31 2007, 09:48 AM
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Jason Ingersoll is a Navy photographer and was at the Navy Annex when the first explosions were heard at the Pentagon down the hill below. So Jason grabbed his camera and headed down the hill, running and snapping photos along the way. These first pre-collapse photos are at the top of the hill.
03872 Top of hill-lots of smoke - - 03873 Roof of Pentagon-lots of smoke - - 03874 Fires-No fire trucks yet-Traffic stopped - - 03875 Fires-No fire trucks
These are the first pre-collapse Ingersoll photos showing the fires at the Pentagon. As you can see there are no fire trucks at the Pentagon fighting the fires in any of the Ingersoll pre-collapse photos until 03880. The 1st responder Reagan National fire trucks were on the scene at 9:40 or 9:41 according to their report. So all these Ingersoll pre-collapse photos are prior to 9:41.
QUOTE (First Responder Fire Fighting Team Unwelcome At Pentagon)
Serendipitous Arrival of Reagan National ARFF Team
According to the article, shortly before Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, a Reagan National aircraft rescue fire fighting team was already on the road, attending a car accident on the upper level of Airport Terminal B. (Aircraft rescue fire fighters don't usually respond to car accidents, of course and there is no mention that the cars involved were on fire.) The ARFF team had their backs to the Pentagon. At 9:38 a.m. they heard a dull roar, turned around, and saw the smoke. The article does not mention how the Reagan National team knew the Pentagon fire was the result of a plane crash; however, they left the airport immediately for the Pentagon, which was three miles away. They arrived in two or three minutes and put the bulk of the fire out in seven minutes.
Do the math. The Reagan National team must have arrived at the Pentagon at approximately 9:40 or 9:41 a.m. If they extinguished the bulk of the fire in seven minutes, the "bulk of the fire" was extinguished at approximately 9:47 a.m. or 9:48 a.m.
QUOTE (ARFF Crews Respond to the Front Line at Pentagon November 1 2001)
When a hijacked Boeing 757, skimming the street lights, smashed into the Pentagon on September 11, firefighters at nearby Reagan National Airport were the right responders in the right place with the right equipment.
Unknown to Captain Defina and his crews, hijacked American Airlines Flight 77, outbound from Washington Dulles International Airport with 64 people on board, was only minutes away from slamming at 0938 hours into the Pentagon, about 3 miles (4.8 kilometers) from National.
"I heard a dull roar. The noise didn't belong with the noise you were used to hearing within the airport," Captain Defina said. "I turned and saw a smoke plume arise."
Arriving two to three minutes later at the Pentagon's south parking lot, Captain Defina saw heavy smoke and heavy fire to his left on the building's west side.
Being among the first responding fire units, National's aircraft rescue firefighters (ARFF) crews were able to set up their apparatus directly in front of the gaping hole in the Pentagon. That was where their training in fighting aircraft fires and the capability of their foam units to extinguish jet fuel fires were put to the best use.
The ARFF foam units knocked down the bulk of the fire in the first seven minutes after their arrival, said Captain Michael Defina, who was the shift commander that day at National.
In this blowup photo the #1 light pole base can be seen above the guardrail. In front of the right headlight of the Cherokee is a red stake we can use as a reference point. Counting guardrail posts to the left starting at the stake equals 5 posts and the light pole base is just to the right of the 5th post and above the guardrail.
Here is another photo of the 30' #1 light pole with the base elevated above the guard rail in relation to Ingersoll on the hillside. This is the famous photo of the drag gouge across the road. Please notice that the taxi was repositioned in front of that overpass wall from the Ingersoll hi-rez photos. Why did they move the taxicab with the broken windshield? Was it undrivable or not? Compare this photo to the hi-rez photos (03876 and 03877) which clearly show the taxicab was past the overpass wall with no light pole through the windshield and could be clearly seen. Why were they moving the taxi?
The next two hi-rez photos show that in less than three minutes after the alleged 757 aircraft crash, the 30' 247 lb light pole is not sticking out of the windshield. There are no fire trucks at the Pentagon yet. Lloyd England and the helpful stranger pulled that heavy 30' long lightpole out of the windshield in less than 3 minutes after Lloyd stopped the car? Sure they did or the 30' 247 lb light pole was never through the windshield in the first place.
In this photo showing the fires at the Pentagon with no fire trucks yet, Lloyd England's Lincoln taxicab can be seen at the left with no light pole sticking out over the hood. Lloyd can be seen faithfully standing in the sun at the back of the taxi as ordered. The white Saturn and Jeep Cherokee government cars have not yet arrived. No #1 light pole base can be seen sticking up above and to the right of the 5th guardrail post from the stake reference point. The light pole base should be seen just to the right of the electrical box. There is no light pole base visible.
03876 No pole through windshield-Still no fire trucks-No #1 base showing above guardrail
In this photo showing the fires at the Pentagon with no fire trucks yet, Lloyd England's Lincoln taxicab can be seen at the left with no light pole sticking out over the hood. Lloyd can be seen faithfully standing in the sun at the back of the taxi as ordered. The white Saturn and Jeep Cherokee government cars have not yet arrived. No #1 light pole base can be seen sticking up above and to the right of the 5th guardrail post from the stake reference point. The light pole base should be to the right of the black pole. There is no light pole base visible.
03877 No pole through windshield-Still no fire trucks-No #1 base showing above guardrail
03878 Onlookers watching the action
The #1 light pole base has arrived. You can see it above and to the right of the 5th guardrail post from the red stake. Still no fire trucks down at the fires and the white Saturn and Jeep Cherokee government cars have arrived on the scene also. All these photos were taken by Jason Ingersoll in the 3 minutes between the initial explosions and the arrival of the Reagan National fire trucks. Perhaps the fire trucks were several minutes later than they reported. Did Lloyd and the helpful stranger remove that 30' 247 lb light pole from his windshield in just 3 or 5 minutes? Of course not. [B]The light pole was never through the windshield and this was just one more lie in the Pentagon saga.[/B]
03879 White Saturn and Jeep Cherokee on scene
In this photo the Cherokee has been moved and the light pole base is clearly visible above the guardrail and 5 posts to the left of our reference point.
Still no fire trucks fighting fires. Road cleared. Nobody in that red vehicle. Federal agents have the scene secured.
03880 Fire trucks finally on scene
In this photo, the fire trucks are fighting the fires, the roof still has not collapsed, and the Federal agents have cleared the road for a photo op of Lloyd standing behind his taxicab in the hot sun.
The taxi has been moved again, away from the overpass wall.
This post has been edited by SPreston: Oct 31 2007, 10:06 AM
Dec 5 2007, 05:10 PM
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This anonymous account from government provided transcripts that Farmer recently posted sure supports the notion that secret service were already in the shadows:
[blacked out] “So you were forced, or herded in certain directions. Who, again, was the police that were directing you, you know, go here, go there?”
[blacked out] “It was – it was DPS, the guys in the black coats. Like I said, I’m calling them Secret Service because I don’t know who they were. I don’t know where – they were all around here. I don’t know where they came from, but they were here.”
[blacked out] “How quickly did they –“
[blacked out] “They were here right – right then and there. That’s why I don’t understand, where did they come from. I saw them, and I said who are you, you know, and just other people that were helping out as well.
[blacked out] “So maybe they were better informed than everybody else and –“
[blacked out] “Yeah, maybe they knew something. I don’t know”
[blacked out] “But you don’t think they were working here, they came from somewhere else here?
[blacked out] “Yeah, because I mean – I don’t know who they were, but – I mean they were helpful.” Pp 21-22
(I guess he figured we would like this one)
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