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B767 Or A Missile?

Do you think the object on the radar was a civil B767
Do you think the object on the radar was a civil B767
Yes [ 1 ] ** [5.88%]
No [ 12 ] ** [70.59%]
I'm still not sure [ 1 ] ** [5.88%]
I don't care, 'coz it won't make any difference. The dabate about what or what not hit the S-tower detracts the movement and is possibly CoIntelPro. [ 3 ] ** [17.65%]
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post Nov 17 2007, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE (Shallel @ Nov 17 2007, 01:03 AM)
6 There has been some very good analysis of the footage of the impact, and digital video editing experts have explained how the footage could have been manufactured.

I would add another point the deniers of the no/fake plane theories don't much like:

7. There was ONLY ONE footage showing something like B767 broadcasted real time live on TV - on ABC and CNN (which was confirmed being the same shot with just other zoom, color scheme and timing adjustment) - it was taken allegedly by the chopper WABC, the shot was confirmed it was made using the WESCAM (highly sophisticated, army grade, high resolution real time digital camera system), the other RT live footages (MSNBC+CBS) actualy don't show discernable large jet, and the trajectory of the barely discernable object there is in the sheer contradiction with above two. (here is one of the sophisticated analyses: what is on the CNN video: http://www.911research.dsl.pipex.com/ggua175/live/) In addition it was proven, there was later a tampering done with the MSNBC live broadcast record to make the object appear larger than was in the original broadcast.

The other 2nd hit footages weren't broadcasted RT live and first of them was shown on TV at least whole minutes after - which was the sufficient time to make the CGIs. Even during the live broadcast of CBS were shown two different shots, where the trajectories of the object contradict each other. So there is at least one proven fakery in the live broadcasts. It is alone sufficient to dismiss the allegation there was no TV fakery taking place.
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post Nov 18 2007, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Nov 17 2007, 08:46 PM)
7. There was ONLY ONE footage showing something like B767 broadcasted real time live on TV - on ABC and CNN (which was confirmed being the same shot with just other zoom, color scheme and timing adjustment) - it was taken allegedly by the chopper WABC, the shot was confirmed it was made using the WESCAM (highly sophisticated, army grade, high resolution real time digital camera  system),  the other RT live footages (MSNBC+CBS) actualy don't show discernable large jet, and the trajectory of the barely discernable object there is in the sheer contradiction with above two.

Hypothetical situation #2:

1. Place a previously-"prepared" videocassette or videodisc in a news helicopter and/or news van with video equipment and communications links.

2. Roll tape.

3. Watch it happen "live" on CNN and ABC [after the requisite 7-second or is it 10-second delay].

Is this a far-fetched scenario or not? If so, please move this post accordingly. I'd like to remind the reader that you've likely seen traffic helicopter and cutesy ground-based "live shots" nearly every weekday in metropolitan US cities... I'd also like to remind the reader that the "scientific method" has a hypothesis as a very early step... ohmy.gif

http://www.sciencebuddies.org/mentoring/pr...ic_method.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

http://biology.clc.uc.edu/courses/bio104/sci_meth.htm
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post Dec 1 2007, 02:36 AM
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Carl said:

"The No Plane Theory is used over and over by the perpetrators and their
henchmen, aka the MSM, to discredit the Truth Movement as nutjobby
tinfoilheadwearing conspiracy wackos. I for one can't stand to hear the
arguments of "We all saw the planes on TV, what are wrong with these folks?"
anymore."

I don't see that at all. It's been mentioned a few times in the MSM. That's it. The History Channel didn't touch it -- that would have been their big chance.

You're expressing a fear, not an empirical fact. I've heard this fear expressed countless times, and used as justification to suppress discussion. Been accused of spreading disinfo many times, also.

People need to understand that no planers can contribute to the debate. The questions and facts we raise may fit into other theories, and the movement is hurting itself by excluding us, especially since they are doing it based on a false fear.
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post Dec 1 2007, 05:02 PM
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So are credible the witnesses they "saw the plane":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4yIFnq1wkU&watch_response
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post Dec 16 2007, 12:07 PM
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What is this?

3-9 secs watch UFO climb on left.
17-19 secs one shoots to the left
25-27 secs two more one on left other on right.
Same but different video
Another
Very Distinct

From Loose Change
(2;33-2:48 ) accross face of S.Tower

and Goes Accross another building

Before attackNever disputed as far as I know

Another??11-14 sec mark

I realize the proplems presented by the mystery( there are more)
and
this is one reason 911 Truthers should recognize the importance
of the Disclosure Project
The Key word "Disclosure"
Disclosure Project
Peace in Space
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post Dec 18 2007, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE (BaNoyes @ Dec 16 2007, 12:07 PM)
this is one reason 911 Truthers should recognize the importance
of the Disclosure Project

Yeah, there is a reason indeed...as disclosure project CIA memo from 1991 - http://www.disclosureproject.org/PDF-Documents/CIAMemo.pdf the paragraph "MEDIA" a)
"PAO [Public Affairs Office] now has relationships with reporters from every major wire service, newspaper, news weekly, and television network in the nation. This has helped us turn some intelligence failure stories into intelligence success stories, and it has contributed to the accuracy of countless others. In many instances, we have persuaded reporters to postpone, change, hold, or even scrap stories that could have adversely affected national security interests or jeopardized sources and methods."... rolleyes.gif :ph43r:

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Yeah, there is a reason indeed...as disclosure project CIA memo from 1991 - http://www.disclosureproject.org/PDF-Documents/CIAMemo.pdf the paragraph "MEDIA" a)

Interesting document
Disclosure Project started in 2001
This is a CIA doc.
but it only related to the Disclosure Project, because of the pressure put on the CIA to release info.
whatever you were trying to relate, failed me.
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post Dec 19 2007, 08:24 AM
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QUOTE (BaNoyes @ Dec 18 2007, 01:12 PM)
whatever you were trying to relate, failed me.

The CIA document just in plain english says (even in connection with the "disclosure project") there is a very massive CoIntelPro operation in US media... whistle.gif

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post Dec 19 2007, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Dec 19 2007, 06:24 AM)
The CIA document just in plain english says (even in connection with the "disclosure project") there is a very massive CoIntelPro operation in US media... whistle.gif

Actually Tume, this 1991 CIA memo admits to Operation Mockingbird/Mighty Wurlitzer activity in the US under the CIA's hand.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/P...ockingbird.html

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Amy_Good...ity_TV_SAG.html

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1016-06.htm

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title...ion_Mockingbird

http://www.cpj.org/attacks96/sreports/cia.html

http://mprofaca.cro.net/ciapress1.html

http://www.namebase.org/news17.html

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." William Colby
former Director of the CIA

COINTELPRO is/was more of an infiltration/subversion of dissenting groups.

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/cointel.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

Attorney General John Ashcroft cranked COINTELPRO back up after 9/11/2001.

http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff11252003.html

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/113003F.shtml

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0223,hentoff2,35355,6.html

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

"Wake up and smell the propaganda in the USA today." -- me thumbsup.gif
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post Dec 19 2007, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE (dMole @ Dec 19 2007, 10:46 AM)
COINTELPRO is/was more of an infiltration/subversion of dissenting groups.

Ah yes, it is just maybe a terminology misunderstanding, I use CoIntelPro (Counter Intelligence Programs) generaly as abreviation for all coordinated secret service infiltration/disinformation activities. Maybe it has in American English only that more narrow meaning: disent disruptive activities ? Now I'm confused. I'm appologizing if there was any misunderstanding, but I'm not an english native.

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Yeah, there is a reason indeed...as disclosure project CIA memo from 1991


I saw all the CIA/Media references/connections.
The file is a plan / opperation the CIA was initiating in respone to a Disclosure Project request.
Your right
There is indeed a reason for 9/11 truth movement
and the Disclosure Project to join forces.
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post Dec 20 2007, 02:53 AM
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QUOTE (BaNoyes @ Dec 19 2007, 08:58 PM)
I saw all the CIA/Media references/connections.
The file is a plan / opperation the CIA was initiating in respone to a Disclosure Project request.
Your right
There is indeed a reason for 9/11 truth movement
and the Disclosure Project to join forces.

Yes, it is quite improbable, that CIA would infiltrate all media only because to stop some UFO secrets disclosure - many of them are anyway published long time ago and there is also quite massive activity in this sense on the internet as well since its very begginning - maybe even the aim "to stop the UFO secrets disclosure" was just a minor part of the operation or even just a cover-up?? The Mockingbird/Mighty affairs appear to me to be strongly supporting this assumption.
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