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http://americanhistory.si.edu/september11/...ecord.asp?ID=94

Shanksville photographs

Description: This collection of fourteen images of the Shanksville, Pennsylvania, crash site of United Airlines Flight 93 was taken by Tim Shaffer of Reuters.

Context: For professional photographers, September 11 was the event of a lifetime. A contract photographer for the Reuters news agency, Tim Shaffer could not get through to the Washington office on the morning of September 11. At home with his family in Delaware, he started paging Reuters at 11:00 am. He finally reached them by internet Instant Messenger, asking if he should leave for New York. The answer was "No, go to Shanksville, Pennsylvania." Shaffer photographed the crash site and transmitted the digital images to Reuters using his cell phone.














Statement from Tim Shaffer:
http://americanhistory.si.edu/september11/...rting.asp?ID=44

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Rocky yelled for me to turn on the television, his girlfriend called his cell phone to tell him a plane had crashed into the World Trade Center. Rocky the carpenter was working to true up a deck on my family’s townhouse that had been sold recently.

I started to get a very bad feeling as the crew crowded into my office workspace just in time to see the second plane crash. An emptiness and silence fell over a normally boisterous crew as we started to estimate the numbers of dead and injured. Then another report, a plane had crashed into the Pentagon. What was next?

It was at this point that I entertained the thought of heading to New York or at least to Jersey City to photograph the burning towers. Then the report that another plane had crashed near Pittsburgh.

As a contract Photographer for Reuters I tried to contact the Reuters office in Washington D.C. for instructions only to get a fast busy signal. I headed to the house that my wife Susan and I were renovating as I had moved the core of my office operation in order to better manage the construction project. I tried a number of times to establish telephone contact with the Reuters office only to get the same fast busy signal I would hear for the next day.

When I sent my initial message on instant messenger I knew by the response that I was going to be leaving town in a hurry. I was told to take three days worth of clothing and gear and head immediately to Shanksville, Pennsylvania, where the heck is Shanksville Pennsylvania? Eighty miles southeast of Pittsburgh I was told. I quickly mapped an approximate route, gathered my clothing checked my equipment and headed West on the Pennsylvania Turnpike relying on news radio for updates as long as the signal lasted. All the while replaying the sight of the second plane crashing into the World Trade Center and the plume of smoke rising from the Pentagon again and again in my mind. What was next? Where these acts of terrorism over? Who did this and why? Was my family safe nestled between a number of nuclear power plants? Where the heck was I going? What was I going to find? Too many questions, Phone contact to the Reuters office was still just a fast busy signal.

It was two o’clock, then three o’clock. I was getting closer to Shanksville. Time to get the map program running on my laptop and try to call the office. How were the New York photographers doing? Were they safe? Were any crushed when the buildings collapsed? Still fast busy. Maybe I can instant message with the laptop and cell phone. Success, the editor on duty told me to find Reuters photographer from Pittsburgh, Jason Cohn and transmit any images, as he was able to get near the crash site.

After exiting the turnpike an exit too early and winding my way along a mountainous stretch of the Lincoln Highway (U.S. RT. 30), a sign for Shanksville said turn left six miles. Four miles ahead the silhouette of a Pennsylvania State Trooper stood guarding the long driveway of a landfill. After identifying myself to the trooper I commented about the size of the debris field. He told that there was no debris field that the largest piece of the plane was “nothing larger than a phone book”. Nothing left.

After some ribbing on the fact that I had just covered a long drive in a short period of time the trooper directed me to the press staging area, but I proceeded into Shanksville to find Jason Cohn. Jason had been allowed near the scene. Jason pulled his car beside mine. I asked him to take me as close to the scene as possible as my cell phone signal was stronger near the crash scene than in Shanksville, and this is how we would transmit his images.

The pictures from Shanksville were not dramatic or exciting, couldn’t hold a light to the World Trade Center photos. They would help to tell this horrendous story. Jason had bummed a digital camera from a friend as his Reuters issued camera was in for repair, shot a few frames of white suited emergency personnel walking near some trees. The trooper was right, “nothing larger than a phone book”. Jason headed on his way, as he had shot film of the scene as well and needed to process and transmit these. No access to the debris field area until tomorrow was the answer from the command center as my arrival was too late. I secured a motel room for the night, had a quick sandwich for dinner and sat glued to the television waiting for the news of survivors from the World Trade Center.

Up early, to the crash scene at first light, through the mist the sight of many tall radio antennas appeared magically in the overnight on the hill overlooking the crash site. The word from the NTSB and the FBI was that media would be allowed to the scene on two buses in the early afternoon. Sit and wait, listen to and photograph an angry Congressman, Special Agent in Charge, National Guardsmen putting up a tent. Time to go to the crash scene. A lot of media, television, photographers, writers, anxious to see the crash site. The buses unloaded in an area overlooking the landfill crash site, maybe 500 yards away.

Yellow tape marked a stopping point on the hillside. Nothing in view said "plane crash". It was just a field, with people in yellow and white suits, and lots of little flags. A plume of smoke starts to rise in the woods, and outlines some trees that were charred in the fiery crash. A piece of metal hangs in a tree. “Nothing larger than a phone book”. To the top of the hill, not far enough. "Stop! Now!", I’m told.

The crater starts to take shape higher on the hill. The crater with crash debris as far as eighty feet deep in the landfill. A ridge blocked most of the crater from view as the people in suits walked aimlessly around the site pausing to look at items on the ground. A few trailers from the various investigative agencies lined an access road on the edge of the landfill. No survivors, just debris and a large crater. No engines. No fuselage. “Nothing larger than a phone book”.

Tim Shaffer
5-15-02





Michelle Delaney, Collections Manager, Photographic History Collection on Shaffer and his photos:
http://americanhistory.si.edu/september11/...cript.asp?ID=29

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Tim Shaffer is a contract photographer with Reuters and he works out of Delaware. He finds out what’s happening in New York from some contractors who are working in his home who have the radio on, and immediately tries to call Reuters to find out what he should do. He can't get through--lines are busy, the phone’s not working.

By 11:00 he decides to get on AOL instant messenger and that’s how he reaches Reuters. Types in "Should I go to New York?" and the response is "No, go to Shanksville, Pennsylvania." And he didn't really didn't know what was happening, he hadn't quite heard that part of the story yet. But he leaves his family and he drives the long drive to Pennsylvania.

Lots of other people are starting to arrive in Pennsylvania and there’s really no access on September 11. But the police tell him "Come back early in the morning, you'll have access to the site." And one of the reasons I selected Shaffer for the Shanksville portion of my collecting is one of the first images I saw by him; it’s almost cathedral-like, the smoke going up through these enormous trees in the forest around Shanksville. The crater in the foreground with the rescue workers in their yellow and their white clothing. It takes your breath away - there’s nothing. There's nothing there to see in Shanksville except this crater and a few pieces scattered in the field from the plane.

So he does his best to get the closest views he can and he gets these incredible views of the crater. He also has images of the police going up a winding road in the mist of the morning on horseback and in their police cars and the coroner arriving in his big truck with the coroner's sign on the outside. But there aren't that many images of the plane crash, the site in Shanksville that I wanted to collect. Shaffer's images told the story completely and succinctly.
Wibble
The words in bold do not mean he is saying there was no aircraft or crash. He is being descriptive by saying it didn’t look like a crash site. He is not saying it was not a crash site.

He makes no claim to have looked into the crater so would not have seen the majority of the debris such as the engines.
painter
QUOTE (Wibble @ May 3 2008, 11:40 AM) *
The words in bold do not mean he is saying there was no aircraft or crash. He is being descriptive by saying it didn’t look like a crash site. He is not saying it was not a crash site.

He makes no claim to have looked into the crater so would not have seen the majority of the debris such as the engines.


So you think "the majority of the debris" was in the crater? That he would have seen it if he'd looked?

Interesting.

One question, Wibble, do we have positively identified wreckage from flight 93? Hmm? Or any other alleged hijacked flight from 9/11? Hmmm?
Wibble
QUOTE (painter @ May 3 2008, 03:19 PM) *
One question, Wibble, do we have positively identified wreckage from flight 93? Hmm? Or any other alleged hijacked flight from 9/11? Hmmm?


Define what you mean by "positively idnetified" and what you would class as proof?

Considering photos from Flight 93 have been used successfully in a court of law how can they be faked? Surely the the legal team for the defense would have got them thrown out if they were not real?
painter
QUOTE (Wibble @ May 3 2008, 02:09 PM) *
Define what you mean by "positively idnetified" and what you would class as proof?


"Positive Identification" = cross-referencing unique serial numbers of airplane parts (such as the alleged Flight Data Recorders of AA Flight 77 and United Flight 93) with unique federally registered aircraft numbers. Absent such identification one only "assumes" identity of the aircraft involved -- and since in all instances transponder data was turned off and in some instances FAA lost radar contact with allegedly hijacked craft, and since the FBI/NTSB have not positively identified plane wreckage, "Positive Identification" has not been confirmed.

Why not?

Cf:
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. . .
Defendants motion reads in part:

"Since being served with the Summons and Amended Complaint, Federal Defendant, with assistance of its attorneys, has analyzed Plaintiff’s request and conducted a search for responsive records. Federal Defendant has determined that there are no responsive records. The identities of the airplanes hijacked in the September 11 attacks was never in question, and, therefore, there were no records generated “revealing the process by which wreckage recovered by defendant, from aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, was positively identified by defendant . . . as belonging to said aircraft . . .” (Amend Compl. Inj. Relief #15 at 1.)"

However, this claim is directly contradicted by public comments offered by Carol Carmody, Vice-Chairman National Transportation Safety Board and Marion C. Blakey, Chairman National Transportation Safety Board, who both indicated in 2002 that FBI director Robert Mueller requested NTSB assistance with 9/11 aircraft wreckage identification and that the NTSB did perform 9/11 aircraft wreckage identification analysis.

"I ... assured FBI Director Mueller that we would assist in any way we could ... he called and said, "Could you send us some people to help find the black boxes and help identify aircraft parts[]/b]."

http://www.ntsb.gov/speeches/carmody/cc020227.htm

"Over 60 Safety Board employees worked around the clock in Virginia, Pennsylvania, New York, and at our headquarters in Washington, D. C., [b]assisting with aircraft parts identification
"

http://www.ntsb.gov/Speeches/blakey/mcb020625.htm

By FAA documents identified as "Summary of Air Traffic Hijack Events", pages 4 and 13, it is indicated that American Airlines flight 11 (N334AA) and United Airlines flight 175 (N612UA) were not transmitting proper transponder identification data at the time of their respective destructions and that therefore, proper aircraft registration identification cannot have been obtained from this absent or erroneous data.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB165/faa7.pdf

By documents labeled "NOTES TO CHAPTER 1", page 456, of the "Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States" (2004), it is indicated that "the CVRs and FDRs from American 11 and United 175 were not found" and that therefore, proper aircraft registration identification cannot have been obtained from this absent data.

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/...eport_Notes.htm
By document labeled "Specialist's Factual Report of Investigation Digital Flight Data Recorder" (American Airlines flight 77 - N644AA), it is revealed that the FDR's unique serial number identification information (traceable to a unique federally registered aircraft) is absent and that therefore, proper aircraft registration identification cannot be confirmed by this absent data.

http://www.911myths.com/AAL77_fdr.pdf

By document labeled "Specialist's Factual Report of Investigation Digital Flight Data Recorder" (United Airlines flight 93 - N591UA) it is revealed that the FDR's unique serial number identification information (traceable to a unique federally registered aircraft) is absent and that therefore, proper aircraft registration identification cannot be confirmed by this absent data.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf
. . .


FBI Refuses To Confirm Identities Of 4 Aircraft Used During 9/11 Attacks

FOIA Request: Various FAA Info Regarding 9/11 Planes

UPDATE: FOIA Appeal Seeking Confirmation Of ID Process Of 9/11 Planes

UPDATE: FAA FOIA Request For Various Records Regarding 9/11 Planes In Progress

FOIA Appeal Denied: FBI Again Refuses To Confirm Identity Of 9/11 Planes

FOI Act Lawsuit Against FBI Seeking 9/11 Documents

Why Won't The FBI Release The Most Vital 9/11 Plane Details?

FAA Withholds Pre-9/11 ID Confirming Aircraft Serial Number Data Of 9/11 Planes

FBI Conceals Flight Data Recorder Info That Could Confirm Registry ID's Of 2 9/11 Planes

FOIA Appeal Content For Release Of Complete SSFDR Data From FBI For AA 77 And UA 93

F.B.I. Counsel: No Attempt Made By F.B.I. To Formally Indentify 9/11 Plane Wreckage

F.B.I. Elaborates On Reportedly Absent 9/11 Aircraft Wreckage Recovery & Identification Records

Court Order Per Defendant's Motion And Plaintiff's Response Pertaining To 9/11 Records Civil Case

Plaintiff's Clarification Of Requested Records

Defense Motion To Permit Appearance Of Government Attorney

F.B.I. Formal Response To 9/11 Aircraft Records Lawsuit

Plaintiff Response To FBI Motion For Dismissal Of 9/11 Lawsuit

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Considering photos from Flight 93 have been used successfully in a court of law how can they be faked? Surely the the legal team for the defense would have got them thrown out if they were not real?


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albertchampion
why do you play this badminton with such an obvious troll?

i don't know who orchestrates them. could they be self-directed?

what would provoke any ignorant individual to get on this board and post such patently inaccurate drivel?

is there a group of ostensibly normal individuals out there who just cannot get their mind around the reality that the usg lies - and lies virtually all the time, on virtually every issue?

i mean that is the history of the usa throughout the last 108 years, to be sure. isn't it?
painter
QUOTE (albertchampion @ May 3 2008, 05:14 PM) *
why do you play this badminton with such an obvious troll?

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i don't know who orchestrates them. could they be self-directed?

Could be. Some are clearly orchestrated.
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what would provoke any ignorant individual to get on this board and post such patently inaccurate drivel?

You said it: "ignorant"
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is there a group of ostensibly normal individuals out there who just cannot get their mind around the reality that the usg lies - and lies virtually all the time, on virtually every issue?

Absolutely. I know many.
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i mean that is the history of the usa throughout the last 108 years, to be sure. isn't it?

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You know it, I know it, most everyone here knows it. Not everyone does, though. Perhaps they don't want to know or perhaps they are protecting someone or something. Hard to say.

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amazed!
Wibble

It is so encouraging to know that our courts are above reproach and that the government would NEVER introduce suspicious evidence.

I guess that's why they keep all the 93 stuff in Iron Mountain. Yeah, that's it, just to protect us.
dMz
Maybe those 2 police horses ate the UA93 wreckage... rolleyes.gif
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