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Vick
Hello All!

Thank you for spreading the truth. I've been reading this forum for quite some time and got tons of useful information from here.

A few words about me. I am writing a book on 9-11 that I plan to publish in Russia. I've spent countless sleepless nights gathering information from all over the Internet and trying to sort things out, while filtering out the junk. This turned out to be quite a challenging task in itself smile.gif Anyway, I have a question I wasn't able to locate an answer to. I might have missed it somehow, of course, so I apologize if that is the case. I've heard from multiple sources that all four "hijacked" planes were unusually light on passengers on 9/11, compared to other days. However, I failed to find any concrete figures that confirm this. Is there any statistics available on the number of passengers on certain flights on certain dates? Specifically, how does the number of passengers on flights AA11/AA77/UA175/UA93 on 9/11 compare to the number of passengers on these flights for other dates? Any way to find out?

Thank you in advance!

P.S. Also interesting to note that according to BTS stats, flight UA93 has never existed neither prior to 9/5/2001, nor after 9/11/2001.
Brainwashed
Hi.

Have you checked AA's website? They might have those statistics. If you have and they don't did you try emailing them? I'm sure if you send them an email asking for on average daily attendance for flights they'd help you out. Not sure if I can give you any more advice than that but I'll look around online and see if anything turns up.

Good luck.
Vick
I emailed them on several subjects, including airphones, passenger lists, etc. No reply so far - neither from AA, nor from UA.
Brainwashed
I'll get back to you tomorrow by this time if I've found some relevant statistics or not. Perhaps somebody else has information I don't?

By the way, I'm pretty new myself but welcome.
grizz
Welcome to the forum Vick and best wishes for your book.

Go to The Library forum and look at the Passengers topic. That can get you started.
grizz
Also, apparently neither AA11 nor AA77 departed their airports on 9/11/01. I'm not sure where you can find that information, but I'm sure it's here somewhere.

Don't expect the airlines to answer your emails.
FrankyGER
You can get the official numbers for the 911 commission here.
p.w.rapp
QUOTE (Vick @ Apr 13 2008, 11:44 PM) *
Hello All!

Thank you for spreading the truth. I've been reading this forum for quite some time and got tons of useful information from here.

A few words about me. I am writing a book on 9-11 that I plan to publish in Russia. I've spent countless sleepless nights gathering information from all over the Internet and trying to sort things out, while filtering out the junk. This turned out to be quite a challenging task in itself smile.gif Anyway, I have a question I wasn't able to locate an answer to. I might have missed it somehow, of course, so I apologize if that is the case. I've heard from multiple sources that all four "hijacked" planes were unusually light on passengers on 9/11, compared to other days. However, I failed to find any concrete figures that confirm this. Is there any statistics available on the number of passengers on certain flights on certain dates? Specifically, how does the number of passengers on flights AA11/AA77/UA175/UA93 on 9/11 compare to the number of passengers on these flights for other dates? Any way to find out?

Thank you in advance!

P.S. Also interesting to note that according to BTS stats, flight UA93 has never existed neither prior to 9/5/2001, nor after 9/11/2001.



Stdrastwujte Vick!

Dobro poshalovat welcome.gif to P4T!


There's also this topic http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....=passenger-list
with 2 very good posts that might answer your question.


All the best for your book!
I have made the experience in Russia, that the percentage of the people, who are well informed about 9/11 truth is much higher than in western Europe. I've just returning from a business meeting with 5 managers from Belorussia - it was like a dream, when I started to mention 9/11 at dinner, and they appeared to have DETAILED knowledge already!

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Vick
Thank you all for your input! I'm sure this will get me started
Spasibo smile.gif
Cary
Welcome to the forum Vick. Best of luck on the book.
honway
http://256.com/gray/thoughts/2001/20010912...11/travel.shtml

Traveling on Delta Flight 1989 on 9/11

[My thoughts about the day can be found at 9/11/2001 Thoughts. A detailed timeline of the events of the day at 9/11/2001 Timeline. I've also collected some pictures of 9/11.]

[This was written by a friend of mine and I find it interesting from a couple of different angles. I thank her for the permission to post it. As an aside, the Delta flight 1989 she was on was initially thought to be flight 93 since they were very close in the sky at the time that 93 was hijacked. Her flight was the only 8am flight out of Boston bound for LA that was not hijacked. It was also a 767 and full of fuel. Given discussions with some of the 9/11 skeptics/tinfoil-hat-types out there, I felt compelled to add some additional details and some comments from the author of this piece. I also have scanned in her scrapbook from the time. ]


Our brush with death was frighteningly close. When our company made the travel arrangements for our trip to LA two months ago, [my spouse] told the staff to book us on the American flight 11, the flight we usually take to LA, but in the day it took for the travel agent to get back to us, the price of the flight had gone up several hundred dollars, and for economic reasons only, [my spouse] instructed the staff to look for a less expensive flight. Fortunately, Delta Airlines had a lower fare. With gallows humor we have all been expressing how grateful we are that [my spouse] is so economy-minded when it comes to travel expenses. Humor aside, though, we are all shaken by how close a call this was, and humbled by the realization that with all of these coincidences, Someone Above must be looking out for us.



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My comments:


Airlines use yield management formulas to price seats on their airplanes.

Supply and demand is an important part of yield management.

When there are plenty of open seats on an airplane,the price will remain low because
there is little money to be made by flying nearly empty airplanes.

As more and more seats are sold, the prices on the remaining limited seats go up.

The obvious questions that come to mind in trying to explain why a ticket price would go up several hundred dollars two months out on what ended up being a relatively empty plane are:

Were reservations made for a significant number of seats on Flight 11 two months out, and then cancelled at the last minute?

Did American Airlines follow standard yield management formulas that resulted
in Flight 11 being nearly empty and the Delta flight flying the same route being full?


The key point is this.

Ticket price is the most important factor in determining if a plane will be nearly empty,
like all the hijacked airliners, or full like the Delta flight flying the same route as Flight 11.

Nearly empty airplanes were clearly an advantage for the planners of 9/11.
Law enforcement officers frequently fly on business.
Government travel offices must always choose the lowest fare and law enforcement
officers normally carry their firearms when they fly. An armed law enforcement officer on board one of the hijacked airliners could have meant a significantly different outcome.

The question is, were ticket prices for the hijacked airlines manipulated externally
or internally to guarantee nearly empty airplanes and no armed law enforcement officers traveling on business?
Vick
Thanks for the interesting links. However, my initial question still remains open - I would still very much like to have some concrete figures on the passenger counts on the flights in question for dates other than 9/11.
honway
QUOTE (Vick @ Apr 13 2008, 09:35 AM) *
Thanks for the interesting links. However, my initial question still remains open - I would still very much like to have some concrete figures on the passenger counts on the flights in question for dates other than 9/11.


The only place you can get that data is from United and American. Best of luck.
Vick
QUOTE (honway @ Apr 15 2008, 10:29 PM) *
The only place you can get that data is from United and American. Best of luck.


Thanks! Something tells me, though, that I will need LOTS of luck here ;-)
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