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rob balsamo
A person has been forwarding me correspondence they have had with someone who claims to be former CIA. I am currently trying to get this guy to speak out and "hide in the open" if in fact he is legit. Feel free to use all the below materials for research. Some you have heard before, some you may not have....

Keep in mind the following is mostly one side of the conversation (like listening in on a phone call but not able to hear what the other person is saying). The person who has forwarded me this correspondence is aware that i am posting it here.... Its an interesting read, regardless....

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I just got some info that you might want to know about. I have been talking to a former CIA agent and i asked him why he hasnt come forward and said anything...this is what he said to me:

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edit to add by rb 05/23/08 from Leslie's post on page 8: "I just want to Clairify one thing...i never ment to say that he was infact a Former CIA agent. I ment to say that he Claimed to be a Former CIA agent.

im very sorry for that confusion. "


Re: CIA May 08, 2008
I HAVE SAID PLENTY. 3 FRIENDS, FORMER CO-WORKERS, WERE MURDERED IN SEPARATE INCIDENTS THIS MONTH FOR SPEAKING OUT ABOUT 911. JAMES W. 'BUTCH' OLIVER WAS MURDERED 25MARCH2003, IN MEDELLIN, COLOMBIA FOR SPEAKING OUT. 'BUTCH' WAS A CIA DRUG IMPORTATION PILOT FROM GRIFFIN, GEORGIA.(HE IS A SECRET 'STAR ON THE WALL' AT CIA HQ) 'BUTCH' HAD WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A 'PRIVATE' C-130 HERCULES, WHICH HE FLEW LOADED FROM COLOMBIA TO GEORGIA TWICE A WEEK. MYSELF AND AGENT WAYNE DANIELS (COPPERHILL, TENN.), FLEW $25 MILLION IN HUNDREDS TO BANCO NACIONAL, PANAMA CITY, PANAMA TWICE A WEEK.WAYNE USED TO OPERATE 'SWD' AND 'RPB', MANUFACTURERS OF MAC-10 AND MAC-11 SUB-MACHINE GUNS AND 'SILENCERS' FOR CIA AND CIVILIAN USE. 911 WAS DONE BY THE GOVERNMENT, JUST LIKE OKLAHOMA CITY---ERIC RUDOLPH WAS WORKING UNDER DIRECT ORDERS FROM G-2 (ARMY INTEL), WHEN HE DID THE BOMBINGS. EVERYTHING REGARDING 'TERRORISM' IS FABRICATED BULLSHIT DESIGNED TO DESTROY THE CONSTITUTION AND BRING ABOUT A ONE -WORLD GOVT...WE'LL TELL THEM ''THE ONLY WAY WE CAN HAVE PEACE IS TO HAVE A SINGLE WORLD GOVT AND ONLY ONE RELIGION''----PROPAGANDA FROM HENRY KISSINGER, HEAD OF PLANNING FOR THE GLOBALISTS RUNNING AMERICA AND MOST OF THE WORLD......I HAVE LIVED LIKE A HERMIT FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS OUT OF FEAR FOR MY LIFE...MY OPERATION WAS CALLED 'SIONICS POWDER SPRINGS', ORIGINALLY UNDER COMMAND OF CIA GENERAL MITCHELL WER BELL3 AND ARMY GENERAL SINGLAUB....BEST WISHES AND MAY GOD BLESS YOU.




Re: CIA May 08, 2008
Yes, the planes were remotely guided. The technology was first demonstrated on aircraft in 1917, Nikola Tesla had built and demonstrated a radio controlled boat in the 1890's.....Passengers on the aircraft had been gassed shortly after take off- they could not make calls, they were dead. A wold government is in the works. The war with Iran, Khazakstan, and Noth Korea is tentatively planned to begin on 4SEPT08. Prior to that, expect the govt to detonate a nuke and blame it on the three countries mentioned. Tukey may also be attacked. The Retired Admiral drawing the war plans is code named 'MERLIN'. He works directly with DICK CHENEY, HENRY KISSINGER, DAVID ROCKEFELLER, THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION, THE TRILATERAL COMMISSION, AND OTHERS. Please spread the word. GOD BLESS YOU...MORE LATER.



Re: CIA May 08, 2008
Not sure where the nuke will be detonated by the government, that info is VERY closely held. My guess would be near oil fields in Texas or Louisiana. Iran is innocent of attempting to build a nuke, their only crime is having vast oil reserves. Khazakstan has the biggest untapped oil reserves in the world (obvious target). North Korea is the only real danger to us. They hit Alaska with a non-warhead equipped missile several years ago just to show us they could. We have a nuclear sub with 250+ nuke warheads parked near Japan ready to strike North Korea. Objective of this war is to choke-off China's oil supplies, making it too costly for them to continue being the world's manufacturing center. Manufacturing will be moved to the Southern Mexican end of a new mega highway being built from Mexico to Canada. That is the reason the highway is being constructed. This plan has been in the works for several years. If you have not seen the highway plans, look online, they should be posted. USA, Mexico, and Canada will soon become one country. This war plan could well start WW3, but the idiots in charge could care less. We have over 200 underground military bases in use right now. They tell the new military recruits ''it's so the satellites can't see us''. Many of the bases are located on U.S. Army Corps of Engineers reservoir sites. The lake water is used for cooling the bases and the outflow is for generating electricity. There are 'package' nuclear powered generators the size of a car for emergencies. They produce enough electricity to light a city of 250,000 persons. Many of the rumored 'unmarked black helicopters' are stored underground. They can generally be seen in use during daylight hours near the aforementioned bases. Sorry, someone just walked in and he's staring me down, gotta go for now. GOD BLESS YOU! GOD SAVE THE CONSTITUTION AND FREEDOM!


Re: CIA May 08, 2008
The one-world government people know this country will cease to exist after WW3. A 'continuity of government' plan is in place, they understand how tragic it would be if the mail could not be delivered during/after the war (LOL). Imagine a mail carrier doing his route in a radiation suit. We have prison camps literally EVERYWHERE for those who MIGHT not cooperate with martial law orders (ME). You should see the MASSIVE crematoriums ! The government has some bases 10,000' underground, which have tunnel boring machines inside them so a year after the beginning of WW3, they can dig out and launch missiles at enemy countries- like there would still be anything worth fighting for. Submarine supply and re-armament bases are located far underneath the seas. They could remain submerged almost indefinitely.


when asked about DC madam...this is what he wrote me:

Re: CIA May 08, 2008
She serviced many Washington politicians (the FEW straight ones), I know nothing, but i'm sure she was murdered. Here's Dick Cheney's cell number, ask him 307 851 1011.

Re: CIA May 08, 2008
might be better to call the bohemian club, most crooks belong to it...415 885 2440... don't really call, you'll get in trouble


Re: CIA May 08, 2008
Towers were demolished with thermite and micro nuclear devices. 7 was thermite/conventional. Tests should reveal abnormally high concentrations of radioactive Tritium residue from nukes. Tritium is a radioactive gas pumped into nukes to make them more powerful. Flight 93 landed, it was loaded with government agents-where it landed, I'm not certain. One of Warren Buffet's repainted 'Net Jets' flew very low at, or very near, supersonic speed over the 'crash site' to simulate a commercial airliner. The craft would only be visible for a very short distance at such a low altitude and high speed. It would not have been recognizable under the given conditions. Shockwave at the low altitude caused damage to homes (broken glass, etc.). Most 'debris' was planted well before 9/11 and explosives were detonated to damage nearby homes and simulate the sound of a plane crashing. Some debris was simultaneously dropped from high altitudes by military aircraft. Controlled Demolition, Incorporated did the 911 and Oklahoma City demolitions. They were paid off through the $HUGELY$ overpaid contracts for cleaning up the sites. PHONE #'S ARE REAL, PLEASE DON'T PLAY WITH THEM, sorry, bad thing I did.


Re: CIA May 09, 2008
9/11 was a complicated operation. Pentagon, I believe, was hit by an old fighter jet remotely flown and painted to look like a commercial flight. The Pentagon is SURROUNDED by HUNDREDS of auto-launch defensive missiles. Someone had to manually switch off the 'incoming friend or foe' ('IFF') system, or the craft would have needed a 'friendly' radio signal transmitter to prevent being blown to pieces LONG before reaching the building. 'IFF' transmitters are NEVER, EVER installed on civilian aircraft. 'Passenger manifest' for the Pentagon hit was 100% fabricated. There were 'scrap', expired (supposedly listed as previously 'destroyed') military explosives used also, thus the reports of an odor of 'cordite' immediately afterward by combat experienced personnel were correct. Verification of identity or presence of persons on the WTC aircraft, if any did board, are not known to me, they could be real or fabricated. Just as Eric Rudolph and Tim Mc Veigh volunteered to sacrifice their lives in furtherance of military objectives, I cannot fathom a rational, whole-minded person actually allowing himself to be 'used up' in such an operation. See ''Doctor Jolyon West, M.D.'', for info on C.I.A./military mind control methods

Re: CIA May 09, 2008
I live somewhere near CNN HQ, Atlanta, Georgia. Been there, verified myself, and never heard a word. Same with WSB radio and local Cox Broadcasting affiliates, etc., etc. In 2004, I was arrested (dragged outside into the parking lot totally naked and dripping wet from the shower at my health club by Homeland Security) (SHOULD be called 'Homeland Paranoia') on 'undisclosed and sealed' charges 'related to terrorism', said charges were not revealed to me, and was held in solitary confinement and ALLOWED NO COMMUNICATION (by phone, mail, or in person) WITH ANYONE, including legal counsel and family, FOR ALMOST FIVE MONTHS, solely for attempting to speak out on 9/11. There was NO RECORD of me being held in the jail at the time, my family thought I had disappeared ! I HAD CEASED TO EXIST ! The ONLY thing that saved me was a group of civil rights attorneys being alerted to the situation by someone else who had been released from the same facility. Spoke about 5 minutes on the Derry Brown radio show immediately following my release (as ''John from Georgia''). Been in deep hiding ever since, but guess that's blown now. Some info I'm trying to send you is being totally blocked. I'm upsetting someone. Whatever you want to know, ask now, as I am becoming frightened by the thought of being killed or 'disappeared' by the U.S. Government. This communication is DANGEROUS for me, PLEASE spread the info you have received as quickly as possible. GOD BLESS YOU !!!


Re: CIA May 09, 2008
'Passengers' were government employees under fictitious names. Government claims of 'identifying passengers by DNA' are lies. Local Coroner admitted he found no human remains- UNTIL Federal 'officials' arrived to 'assist' him. 93 landed somewhere in Ohio and was hidden for a time in a NASA hangar, it MAY still be in use. Records of all Boeing civilian aircraft from construction to ultimate disposal are on file at Boeing and the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, but I would bet all the records for 9/11 aircraft are 'missing' or 'only available to Boeing or the current owner of the equipment'--'for security reasons'. FAA accident reports, if not 'doctored', could possibly shed light on 9/11. The ability to remotely take control of hijacked U.S. built aircraft has been in place since the L-1011 was introduced. The cabins were hardened against intrusion at around the same time, in response to the almost daily hijackings to Cuba occurring then.


Re: 9/11
Date: May 09, 2008
Message: 'Family mourning' ?? Governments have ways of creating what SEEM to be 'families'. Some of the alleged 'dead' may have wanted to vanish and go into deep cover, where no one knows them. Similar to the 'witness protection program', only much more secretive. MANY people that I worked with were declared 'dead in action, remains unrecoverable' and were in reality alive and had simply been sent to work in faraway areas under very deep cover. Quite a few have chosen to leave the family and their old life behind forever. One of the first things government intelligence agents learn is 'method acting'. Top secret paid acts such as 'mourning', can carry on publicly and very convincingly for decades. Trying to speak out on 9/11 issues generally causes immediate ridicule, thus eventually silencing the bearer of inside information. Worse than ridicule is the fear of being 'discredited', a code word meaning 'murdered' by government assassins. Squads work the streets of USA daily. See, 'Gryphon Group Security Solutions, Inc.', go to 'clandestine weapons course'...they only train government employees. 'clandestine weapons' course is for training government assassins to kill everyday citizens, which is done every day.



Some of my replies...

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Hi xxxx.

Thank you for sending all this. There is not much we can do with this information to "get it out there" besides post it on a message board saying it came from an anonymous individual on the net claiming to have worked for the CIA. If he really is former CIA, he should realize it will just be another post. The best way to protect himself, and to add weight to his statements, is to use his real name. Mainstream media such as CNN is controlled. He should know this, so why go to them first?


........

If he really wants to be "safe", he will contact us for interview and get his name out there. "Hiding in the open" is the only way for these type of people to be "safe". Because if anything happens to them after their name is everywhere, it certainly will look suspicious. If anything happens to him now, no one will be the wiser and it will just be another CIA Agent star on the wall. If he really is former CIA, he already knows he is in danger and his safest bet is to be very overt. He should know this. We can get him lots of exposure. The more exposure, the safer he will be. He really doesnt have a choice at this point. Feel free to forward this post to him.



Edit to add: Many more exchanges were sent from this person and are located throughout this thread. We will add more as they come in.
JackD
Big question:

who made the decision to move exercise Global Guardian up from its planned October 2001 date into 9-10-11 September?

that is hurricane season, and not very good time of year for expensive exercises involving 100s of aircraft.

Global Guardian provided a lot of the cover for events of 9/11... hijacked airliners going nordo... transponders off.. planes-into-building scenarios..

so who decided to move global guardian?
rob balsamo
QUOTE (JackD @ May 9 2008, 05:35 PM) *
Big question:

who made the decision to move exercise Global Guardian up from its planned October 2001 date into 9-10-11 September?

that is hurricane season, and not very good time of year for expensive exercises involving 100s of aircraft.

Global Guardian provided a lot of the cover for events of 9/11... hijacked airliners going nordo... transponders off.. planes-into-building scenarios..

so who decided to move global guardian?



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when asked, who moved up Global Guardian from Oct 2001 to Sept 10, 2001?


Re: 9/11 May 09, 2008
cheney/centcom
lunk
Much of this checks with what I have researched.

"Towers were demolished with thermite and micro nuclear devices. 7 was thermite/conventional. Tests should reveal abnormally high concentrations of radioactive Tritium residue from nukes. Tritium is a radioactive gas pumped into nukes to make them more powerful."

I don't see any glaring mis-information.

This appears to be a reliable source.

imo, lunk
painter
QUOTE (lunk @ May 9 2008, 03:21 PM) *
This appears to be a reliable source.


Has he said anything we don't already know.

What's with the 'painted to look like commercial' flying into the Pentagon? Haven't we established that didn't happen yet?

Sounds histrionic. I'm skeptical. Very.
richard cranium
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ May 7 2008, 06:48 PM) *
A person has been forwarding me correspondence they have had with someone who claims to be former CIA. I am currently trying to get this guy to speak out and "hide in the open" if in fact he is legit. Feel free to use all the below materials for research. Some you have heard before, some you may not have....

Keep in mind the following is mostly one side of the conversation (like listening in on a phone call but not able to hear what the other person is saying). The person who has forwarded me this correspondence is aware that i am posting it here.... Its an interesting read, regardless....




Some of my replies...

Wow Rob,what a post! Can you imagine what the world would be like if this gentleman's predictions came true? Is major world history beginning to happen right before our eyes? Has the decline of America began? Is history repeating itself(ie.Germany)? It is scary. And yet all we hear in the news is who got kicked off"American Idol",or,how many "dancers" are left,or,etc.... . rc ps.sorry about all the questions; I'm just blown away by what I just read. take care!
lunk
QUOTE (painter @ May 9 2008, 03:27 PM) *
Sounds histrionic. I'm skeptical. Very.


If this is a psyop agent,
it's the best I've seen yet.

the gullible lunk
Leslie Landry
QUOTE (painter @ May 9 2008, 05:27 PM) *
Has he said anything we don't already know.

What's with the 'painted to look like commercial' flying into the Pentagon? Haven't we established that didn't happen yet?

Sounds histrionic. I'm skeptical. Very.



Be Patient..theres more to come.
rob balsamo
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Who are the civil rights attorneys that got him out of jail?

9/11, imprisonment May 09, 2008
I was the one they helped to be released. Steven Bright and Joshua Lipman from The Southern Center For Human Rights filed suit against then Chief Sheriff of Fulton County, Georgia Jacqueline Barrett and the Fulton County Commission, for various human and civil rights violations. The case was in United States District Court for the Northern District of Georgia. Sheriff Barrett was also in trouble over several millions of dollars missing from the Department's retirement fund. Judge Marvin Shoob was the presiding Judge. The Sheriff was very scared of my testimony and she allowed me to sign my name and leave the jail the first week of July, 2004. The Assistant Chief, Caudell Jones, was sentenced to prison on several civil and criminal offenses and subsequently died there a few months ago. My name is not ''john steel'', and I will leave it to you to discover which listed plaintiff is me (several are listed on the complaint).
Carl Bank
QUOTE (painter @ May 10 2008, 09:27 AM) *
Has he said anything we don't already know.


Two things come to mind: I didn't know Cheney's cell number before
(or lost the empty round package somehow on which he noted it for me)
and I didn't know already what exactly to do 9/8/08.

For the record: I acted against the Board rules and the rules of respect and edited
Rob's initial post with Xing out the phone numbers Of Dick and the Hotel California.
Rob reversed this of course, and I apologize for my misbehaviour.

But I would like to make clear: Calling these numers is - if they are real - a massive
danger to the caller. Does anyone remember this teenager from island who called the
White House, posed as Islands PM and made it to the desk in front of the Oval Office
some months ago?? This is no fun. And if anyone here is only half as crazy as I am
and half as curiouse as I am if these are the real ones, he or she is possibly about to
check it out.

Here's my advice: Don't!


Carl
rob balsamo
If the number is real, its probably already changed. However, the Bohemian Club number might be a bit more difficult to change and probably wont be changed. Anyone want to give it a go? Get Jeff Hill over here... he'll do it... tongue.gif

Carl, no need to apologize, you were just looking out for the best interests of the forum. But again, if the numbers are real, posting the numbers on this forum from a third party is the least of their worries. wink.gif
Carl Bank
Bohemian Club info seems correct:

The Bohemian Club
624 Taylor St.
San Franciso, CA
94102-1075
Phone:(415) 885-2440
Fax: (415) 567-2332 bc-owl.org

also here:
http://www.elliottfamilycellars.com/findus.html
http://www.bizdays.com/metro/bizid-168378.html

Google &: Carl
painter
A publicly listed telephone number is not "information we don't already know".
painter
A quick google on Cheney's alleged cell phone reveals this:

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari...-8&oe=UTF-8
painter
We do have a reverse lookup for Riverton WY:

http://www.intelius.com/results.php?Report...a38bbf2e07bf7a6
Carl Bank
QUOTE (painter @ May 10 2008, 09:17 AM) *
A quick google on Cheney's alleged cell phone reveals this:

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari...-8&oe=UTF-8


Well, Painter - Dick seems to be a straight shooter.
rob balsamo
There were rumors that the DC Madame ring went all the way up to Cheney. Not suprised hits are coming from the phone list of the DC Madame.

I also googled his lawyers, they are legit as well.

Im in contact with him now, trying to get an interview.
painter
QUOTE (Carl Bank @ May 9 2008, 04:24 PM) *
Well, Painter - Dick seems to be a straight shooter.


we knew that

cheney WY residence according to crytome

http://cryptome.org/veep-wy/veep-wy-eyeball.htm
Carl Bank
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ May 10 2008, 09:27 AM) *
There were rumors that the DC Madame ring went all the way up to Cheney.
...

Im in contact with him now, trying to get an interview.


An interview? With... Cheney???


omg: Carl
rob balsamo
No... with the source.
rob balsamo
I asked that there must be many other "good guys" and to start rounding them up to speak out... here was his reply...

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105 entered service when i did. i am the last man standing from my group of 'cowboys'. many (at least seven) have been suicided in the last year. one old associate, wayne daniels, lives in copperhill, tenn., but he is also running scared and keeping his head down. wayne made more than $100,000,000 HIS PART in agency drug and gun running operations. people are scared to breathe.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=...+tn&spell=1
rob balsamo
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i assure you i am 'real'....entered service @ powder springs, ga. my original commander was general mitchell wer bell 3. he had 4 children, mitch 4, geoffrey, carlotta, and michelle. address of the wer bells home and training facility was 4321 georgia highway 360, powder springs. it does no good to try to locate the training facility (still in use) at that location on sat views, it has been heavily photoshopped over with trees to hide the two lakes, scaffolding, various out buildings, houses, firing range, tank traps, etc...you will find a ship's mast flying a U.S. flag in front of a gray building with an eagle painted on the side, should one of you decide to do a drive by verification of this info. DO NOT STOP, TAKE PHOTOS, OR DRIVE SLOWLY, YOUR LIFE WILL INSTANTLY BECOME A NIGHTMARE IF YOU ARE CAUGHT AND THEY ALLOW YOU TO LIVE. A GRAY AIR FORCE HELCOPTER WITH A SERIOUS DOOR GUNNER WILL SUDDENLY RISE FROM THE WOODED AREA NEAR THE CAMP IF THEY SPOT YOU.
honway
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The war with Iran, Khazakstan, and Noth Korea is tentatively planned to begin on 4SEPT08. Prior to that, expect the govt to detonate a nuke and blame it on the three countries mentioned.


I will state the obvious here.

Either the man is telling the truth or someone is putting a great deal of effort, time, and energy into derailing
people interested in the truth.

Either way,the emails support the obvious truth that 9/11 was an inside job.

At least we will not have to wait long to find out which it is, intentional disinformation or the truth.

Quite frankly, if it is intentional disinformation that may reveal nearly as much as if the individual is being truthful.

I will bookmark this for 4SEPT08.
honway
I will add this.

Long before 9/11, I was spending a great deal of time investigating the OKC bombing.

Long story short, there is overwhelming evidence that could be placed before any unbiased jury to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that elements inside the U.S. government were responsible for the mass murder of 168 innocent
people in the OKC bombing.

During that long investigation, I recall a similar source coming forward as a former government operative
with inside information concerning the bombing. This individual's resume and story required hours upon hours
to create and then communicate. It was a convincing story with facts a diligent researcher could confirm with public sources of information. After spending a considerable amount of time investigating, I concluded
it was an elaborate, well researched hoax. Who would actually invest that amount of time to derail a
serious investigation into the mass murder of 168 Americans? No individual with a mastery of the facts concerning the
OKC bombing the way this hoaxer did could possibly believe anything other than the American people were lied to about
the bombing. Yet, considerable time and energy was used to aid the perpetrators in the cover up by participating in an elaborate disinformation campaign.

At least this time around we will know with complete certainty in a few short months.
Leslie Landry
QUOTE (honway @ May 9 2008, 07:34 PM) *
I will add this.

Long before 9/11, I was spending a great deal of time investigating the OKC bombing.

Long story short, there is overwhelming evidence that could be placed before any unbiased jury to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that elements inside the U.S. government were responsible for the mass murder of 168 innocent
people in the OKC bombing.

During that long investigation, I recall a similar source coming forward as a former government operative
with inside information concerning the bombing. This individual's resume and story required hours upon hours
to create and then communicate. It was a convincing story with facts a diligent researcher could confirm with public sources of information. After spending a considerable amount of time investigating, I concluded
it was an elaborate, well researched hoax. Who would actually invest that amount of time to derail a
serious investigation into the mass murder of 168 Americans? No individual with a mastery of the facts concerning the
OKC bombing the way this hoaxer did could possibly believe anything other than the American people were lied to about
the bombing. Yet, considerable time and energy was used to aid the perpetrators in the cover up by participating in an elaborate disinformation campaign.

At least this time around we will know with complete certainty in a few short months.


It could be very possible but we just have to keep asking him questions. i strongly believe this man is real and only with futher questioning, we will find him authentic. And please, if anyone has any questions at all that you would like to have answered from him on his perspective..please ask.
honway
I was on the periphery of the OKC bombing, but there were some true American patriots doing the heavy lifting, most living in Oklahoma City with some direct involvement with the events.

A particular event in that investigation stands out because I heard about it firsthand from the target.

A researcher and likely the most knowledgeable individual in the country concerning the facts of the OKC bombing,
with the exception of the conspirators at the very top of the operation, was approached and offered "smoking gun evidence".

All he had to do was meet out of town in Tulsa with a member of a "militia" that had the evidence. He declined the meeting. Later it was determined this particular member of the "militia" was a paid government informant and it was all a setup from the start.

If anyone ever starts becoming effective like the patriots in the OKC bombing investigation were, you can expect similar tactics.
lunk
How far ahead of time was the demolition of the twin towers planned?
honway
I would appreciate asking a few questions.

Does he have any knowledge concerning the specifics of the technology used to remotely control the aircraft?
Does he have any knowledge concerning how the technology was installed without American Airlines and United
mechanics discovering something different about the modified avionics?
What type of an antenna on the aircraft was used to receive the remote control commands?


Were the calls from F/As Betty Ong and Amy Sweeny fabricated or real? The American airlines BOS ops agent Woodward
spoke directly with Amy Sweeny, he knew Amy personally. Does he think Sweeny actually spoke to Woodward?
Does he maintain those conversations were fabricated?
honway
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'Passengers' were government employees under fictitious names.


I guess my most important questions are:

Were the pilots during the take off of the hijacked airliners American and United pilots,

or were the pilots government employees?

What happened to the pilots of United 93?

What happened to the pilots of American 11.
Leslie Landry
QUOTE (lunk @ May 9 2008, 07:57 PM) *
How far ahead of time was the demolition of the twin towers planned?



I will ask.
Leslie Landry
QUOTE (honway @ May 9 2008, 08:23 PM) *
I guess my most important questions are:

Were the pilots during the take off of the hijacked airliners American and United pilots,

or were the pilots government employees?

What happened to the pilots of United 93?

What happened to the pilots of American 11.



from my understand of what he told me was that it was filled with government employees. he has also stated that the passengers were gased just after take-off. i believe what he ment by this was that flights 77 and flight 93 were the government, the other two had passengers.
Carl Bank
QUOTE (Lanneya-austin @ May 10 2008, 12:27 PM) *
I will ask.



If only Chistophera would be here to see this!
honway
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The cabins were hardened against intrusion at around the same time, in response to the almost daily hijackings to Cuba occurring then.


For all of us in the flying business, we know flat out this is false.

This is all disinformation in my opinion. It is not good enough to be government sponsored. Likely some
17 year old Mossad wannabe with no girlfriend and a lot of time on his hands.
lunk
QUOTE (Lanneya-austin @ May 9 2008, 06:27 PM) *
I will ask.


Thank you.

Was building 7 meant to be hit by a plane too?

What does he know about flight 93?
Leslie Landry
QUOTE (lunk @ May 9 2008, 09:15 PM) *
Thank you.

Was building 7 meant to be hit by a plane too?

What does he know about flight 93?



'Passengers' were government employees under fictitious names. Government claims of 'identifying passengers by DNA' are lies. Local Coroner admitted he found no human remains- UNTIL Federal 'officials' arrived to 'assist' him. 93 landed somewhere in Ohio and was hidden for a time in a NASA hangar, it MAY still be in use. Records of all Boeing civilian aircraft from construction to ultimate disposal are on file at Boeing and the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, but I would bet all the records for 9/11 aircraft are 'missing' or 'only available to Boeing or the current owner of the equipment'--'for security reasons'. FAA accident reports, if not 'doctored', could possibly shed light on 9/11. The ability to remotely take control of hijacked U.S. built aircraft has been in place since the L-1011 was introduced. The cabins were hardened against intrusion at around the same time, in response to the almost daily hijackings to Cuba occurring then.

Leslie Landry
QUOTE (Daniels @ May 9 2008, 07:55 PM) *
He, or they, speak of the N Koreans hitting Alaska with a missile. Could that be to prepare us for the "N Korea hits US City with Nuke" headline of the next inside job? North Korea is NOT a threat to anyone in the US. Crikey, they're an ant compared to the US.



you never read that right. he said and i quote:

"The war with Iran, Khazakstan, and Noth Korea is tentatively planned to begin on 4SEPT08. Prior to that, expect the govt to detonate a nuke and blame it on the three countries mentioned. Tukey may also be attacked. The Retired Admiral drawing the war plans is code named 'MERLIN'. He works directly with DICK CHENEY, HENRY KISSINGER, DAVID ROCKEFELLER, THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION, THE TRILATERAL COMMISSION, AND OTHERS.

Iran is innocent of attempting to build a nuke, their only crime is having vast oil reserves. Khazakstan has the biggest untapped oil reserves in the world (obvious target). North Korea is the only real danger to us. They hit Alaska with a non-warhead equipped missile several years ago just to show us they could."

first of all..he said they already hit alaska with a non-warhead quipped missile several years ago. second of all...he is not saying AT ALL that north korea is a threat...hes say out of the three countries...north korea would be the only one out of the three that could place any danger...if they wanted to...but again..hes not saying that want want to by any means.

Leslie Landry
QUOTE (Lanneya-austin @ May 9 2008, 09:33 PM) *
'Passengers' were government employees under fictitious names. Government claims of 'identifying passengers by DNA' are lies. Local Coroner admitted he found no human remains- UNTIL Federal 'officials' arrived to 'assist' him. 93 landed somewhere in Ohio and was hidden for a time in a NASA hangar, it MAY still be in use. Records of all Boeing civilian aircraft from construction to ultimate disposal are on file at Boeing and the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, but I would bet all the records for 9/11 aircraft are 'missing' or 'only available to Boeing or the current owner of the equipment'--'for security reasons'. FAA accident reports, if not 'doctored', could possibly shed light on 9/11. The ability to remotely take control of hijacked U.S. built aircraft has been in place since the L-1011 was introduced. The cabins were hardened against intrusion at around the same time, in response to the almost daily hijackings to Cuba occurring then.



I asked him about the other WTC buildings and about how people were saying that WTC 5 was going off as they apeared to have bombs in there and the cars blowing up and he told me that all of them had been previously set up for Demo....most of them came down on there own or were damaged beyond repair and were later demolished.
painter
There are a lot of things I don't understand about this.

First of all, it looks like this person contacted Lanneya. Is that correct?

If this is correct, why did this person contact you, Lanneya? Who are you in relation to all this? Why have you brought this to Pilots for 9/11 Truth?

What do you and this person want from us? Why not contact the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition or someone like Ray McGovern of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity?
Leslie Landry
QUOTE (painter @ May 9 2008, 10:04 PM) *
There are a lot of things I don't understand about this.

First of all, it looks like this person contacted Lanneya. Is that correct?

If this is correct, why did this person contact you, Lanneya? Who are you in relation to all this? Why have you brought this to Pilots for 9/11 Truth?

What do you and this person want from us? Why not contact the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition or someone like Ray McGovern of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity?


I did not just go and contact "pilots for truth"...rob and i speak outside of this site and him and i have been having conversations about this. I sent him the converstation i had with this man and he wanted to put it on here. Also, the man never contact me..i contacted him.
painter
QUOTE (Lanneya-austin @ May 9 2008, 08:08 PM) *
I did not just go and contact "pilots for truth"...rob and i speak outside of this site and him and i have been having conversations about this. I sent him the converstation i had with this man and he wanted to put it on here. Also, the man never contact me..i contacted him.


Alright, at least now I have a little context for all this. Why did you contact him?
Leslie Landry
QUOTE (painter @ May 9 2008, 11:16 PM) *
Alright, at least now I have a little context for all this. Why did you contact him?



I contacted him cause i read something that he had wrote and i wanted to know more. I cant remember exactly what it was...i just know that the comment caught my eye.
albertchampion
dick-em's wyoming residence is northwest of jackson.

most of it is underground.

it has been built with taxpayer dollars. it is more secure from nuclear attack than the greenbrier.

when dick-em flies in, the jackson airport gets closed. as do most of the local roads.

his presence in the area is always "blacked-out". he travels more secretly than augusto pinochet ugarte. he is darth vader.
hturt
I aggree with the statement that the only way to protect himself is to out himself.

Right now, until he's been verified it's just an interesting story.

That said, does he have any physical proof? Any documentation? Where was he on 9/11? Why is he speaking out now? What did he do for the CIA? How long did he work for them? What is he doing now? etc...

If this guy is really an exCIA employee isn't it taking a huge risk wanting to interview him? IMHO, it would be best to put him in contact with someone like Alex Jones that is use to dealing with these type of people.
rob balsamo
I dont think Alex will interview him unless there is more confirmation on his identity, that is why i want to get the source on the phone. The source has all my contact information should he decide if he wants to speak out using his real name. Im not worried about the risk.. smile.gif

He did leave clues to figure out who he is. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10739960. Perhaps tnemelckram can look into it. I'll PM him.

And yes, Lanneya is the person who sent me the initial correspondence, we met through another 9/11 Truth Group.
waterdancer
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ May 10 2008, 07:45 AM) *
He did leave clues to figure out who he is. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10739960.


I haven't been able to find the complaint itself online so far, but I've found articles on it. Apparently the initial suit was filed on behalf of Frederick Harper.
links can be found @ http://www.schr.org/prisonsjails/newspaper...ews.html#Fulton

The suit is said to contain the following quotes:
QUOTE
Many inmates live with the stench of raw sewage, which comes up from drains, overflows from toilets and drips from ruptured pipes

QUOTE
The jail is unable to handle the laundry needs of its inmates because of the volume and broken equipment. This results in a substantial risk of transmission of serious illnesses including diarrheal disease, boils and hepatitis A.
Leslie Landry
QUOTE (waterdancer @ May 10 2008, 07:18 AM) *
I haven't been able to find the complaint itself online so far, but I've found articles on it. Apparently the initial suit was filed on behalf of Frederick Harper.
links can be found @ http://www.schr.org/prisonsjails/newspaper...ews.html#Fulton

The suit is said to contain the following quotes:


that was the site that i found too....its hard to find this information but the information that you can find...seem to be true.
rob balsamo
When told about the FDR Data...

QUOTE
Re: ................ May 10, 2008
I was not aware the FDR data had been released. By all means, keep pulling on the rope they supply until you have enough to fit around their sorry necks ! Evidence that originates with the government, but does not support their story, will PROVE who the TRUE perpetrators are. SICK 'EM !
Leslie Landry
I asked him how long in advance the attack was planned:


Re: 9/11May 10, 2008 Demolition was planned and engineered in earnest, I believe, beginning in late 1999 to early 2000. Demo contractor would have sought to obtain copies of any plans/specifications/engineering drawings for the structures from the original architectural/engineering firm, current building owner, or on site chief maintenance supervisor well in advance of anticipated job date. Such info on buildings as old as these would also be found in records of the local Bell Telephone Company. Bell ALWAYS obtained complete copies of building specifications and all layouts to simplify the engineering, placement, installation, and maintenance of their equipment. Bell System records have also historically been made available to any 'interested' government agencies. Absent the aforementioned records, a person could secretly and easily be placed within the building maintenance staff to obtain the required info by first hand inspection of the general structural makeup.
Leslie Landry
I asked him what he has been doing for the past 4 years...he replies:

Re: 9/11May 10, 2008 Thanks very much. The past four years have been a hard go, I was living in a secret room of a commercial building that belongs to a trusted friend for more than two years. I have 'made do' since being flushed from hiding in very late '06. Last summer, I underwent aortic valve replacement surgery and pacemaker implantation one week after losing my mom. Regretfully, I dared not visit her in her time of sickness, nor attend her memorial service, for obvious reasons. Still recovering from the surgery and dealing with my grief and guilt at this time. Will soon be on dialysis, as my kidney function has dropped to below twenty percent. Thyroid function is near zero, health problems are thought to have been initiated by high radiation exposure in the eighties, but I have no irrefutable proof. Have now ceased going to my doctors for reasons of personal safety/security. Been pursued many times on the road and on foot, but because of my training and experience, not intercepted. THE PENTAGON COULD NOT HAVE BEEN HIT BY ANYTHING WITHOUT THE HELP OF SOMEONE IN A VERY HIGH POSITION ORDERING THE DISABLING OF THE AUTOMATIC DETECT/INTERCEPT SYSTEMS. Hundreds of cameras surround the building from every angle, they have video, but don't become caught in the trap of trying to get the videos released, that would be just the kind of time and energy consuming mess they love to have people stuck in. Concentrate your energies on WTC situation, the privately developed, publicly available evidence concerning it is plentiful.
Leslie Landry
My message to "john was as follows: "im a little confused on the passengers. in one reply you said the passengers were gassed and killed therefore no phone calls could not have been made. then in another reply you said that you dont believe that any passengers got on the plan and that the plans only had government employees on them....could you please clairify what you mean so its made more clear to me..thank you:

"John's" Reply:

Re: 9/11May 10, 2008 I was not privy to the finalized, set in stone, 'zero hour' plan for each flight (which is never released to the 'grunts' in final form until the actual 'zero hour', except in small segments required for training or rehearsal), only the actual participants and their immediate supervisors would have known for certain the final fate of the 'passengers' (if, indeed, any actually existed), and even then, only the 'top brass' would have known anything outside their individually assigned 'compartment', or 'job'. In many cases, small pieces of individualized advance disinfo is fed to some personnel to check their security status and to create confusion and prevent perfectly matching accounts of the full situation being constructed after the fact. (Oh, I thought Ralph turned that screw and started the whole reaction...Noooo, John turned it, I sneaked a peek at the orders and it had nothing to do with any reaction, that screw kept the wings from falling off....NO NO NO, WRONG-- THAT was MY job, I did it, the screw received two full turns at precisely zero four hundred to correct for humidity..!!NO NO NO NO, YOU'RE ALL WRONG!!.......) Several possible overall scenarios were presented in the days leading up to the job and we were told the bosses were supposedly looking for input from us to determine which plan might the most efficient and effective.........At assembly time before ops or before being transported to an area of operations involving multiple agencies, you're told--- YOU WILL DIRECT YOUR EYES DOWNWARD AT ALL TIMES. DO NOT LOOK AT, COMMUNICATE WITH, OR RECOGNIZE IN ANY WAY, OTHER PERSONNEL. YOU WILL NOT VIEW, TOUCH, OR OPERATE ANYTHING THAT IS NOT A DIRECT PART OF YOUR SPECIFIC JOB. YOU WILL NEVER SPEAK, WRITE, NOR DISCLOSE IN ANY MANNER WHATSOEVER, THE TIME, DATE, LOCATION, PURPOSE, ENTITIES OR AGENCIES INVOLVED, OR EXISTENCE OF THIS OPERATION. YOU KNOW NOTHING, YOU SAW NOTHING, YOU HEARD NOTHING, YOU DID NOTHING, YOU WERE NOT HERE, AND YOU WILL, FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, AND THE GOOD OF YOUR COUNTRY, ERASE ALL MEMORIES FOREVER. THIS NEVER HAPPENED! Not an exact quote, but you get the general idea of how secrecy is maintained. BREAK SILENCE AND YOU PUT YOUR FAMILY AND YOURSELF IN MORTAL DANGER. Some small details which I have seen shall remain undisclosed because I am not sure whether they were absolutely consistent with what others knew or 'tracers', which would identify me.
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