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paranoia
i posted this as response elsewhere, but thought it might be worth a peek here as well...

from here (moussaui trial evidence exhibits):
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/...rosecution.html

sorry for cherry picking, but i found one pic (thus far) that both cracked me up and aroused some suspicion:

the instyle fashion for the fall of 2001, prerequisite for holy missions against infidels, presenting the red bandana, well known (by those in-the-know) to be required jihadi-wear, (found at crash site of 93):


http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/...on/PA00111.html

BIGGER:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/...ion/PA00111.jpg

note the pristine condition, no dirt, no soot, no fuel, NOTHING!



and to the think the person who was allegedly wearing this vaporized. or maybe someone can correct me on that one. what's the official word regarding the hijackers' bodies at the flt93 crash site?





NOTICE the thread dangling off the edge of the bandana here:


does anyone really think this bandana was in a fire? or even near heat? or dirt? or jet fuel? or someone's head (where's the sweat or blood)? if NOT, then there is LOGICALLY enough room to doubt the integrity of the official evidence. once thats in doubt, the story thats been built upon it (the invalid evidence) is also in doubt.



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Beached
It has to be planted evidence! There can be no doubt about it! My girlfriend is something of a skeptic. She didn't believe the story of the surviving red bandana. However, then I showed it to her and even she cracked up! [laugh]
CrazyBlade
So they're trying to tell us that this bandana:

* Was worn by a hijacker, who would have been persperating profusely.
* Was not soiled by sweat or blood during what, by "all accounts", was a heck of a fight right before United 93 crashed in Shanksville.
* Suffered no damage or tearing during the aforementioned struggle.
* Survived, intact, through the intense fire and explosion, a fire that dissintegrated a passenger aircraft.
* Suffered no soiling on the actual ground after surviving the aforementioned.

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Damn that is one impressive bandana. Is it coated with adimantium or something? (geeky X-Men reference for those not in the know!)

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And they have the nerve to call us crazy...
grizz
Not to mention that it should be green. rolleyes.gif
CrazyBlade
@ Oceans

Green??
grizz
I read somewhere that Jihadists wear green bandanas, not red.
grizz
A quick search reveals that Hamas wears green bandanas. Not sure about other jihadists.
CrazyBlade
Ah, I see. Thankyou for the clarification Oceans.

I did, however, read somewhere that red would have been right in this situation. I'll see if I can find the article, although it was a while ago. May have been linked thru the old LC Forum if I remember rightly.
Beached
I was sure it should have been green too.. I posted a thread on the old LC board, because I researched the Hadith where it is hinted that red is unacceptable in certain situations. However, Sinewy got pissed at me for writing that because apparently I had misquoted Hadith, so I'm really not sure. If anyone knows what color the banadana should have been it will be Sinewy.
CrazyBlade
QUOTE (Beached @ Nov 8 2006, 10:54 PM)
I was sure it should have been green too.. I posted a thread on the old LC board, because I researched the Hadith where it is hinted that red is unacceptable in certain situations. However, Sinewy got pissed at me for writing that because apparently I had misquoted Hadith, so I'm really not sure. If anyone knows what color the banadana should have been it will be Sinewy.

Knew I remembered it from somewhere. Thanks Beached.

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Timothy Osman
QUOTE (CrazyBlade @ Nov 8 2006, 01:40 PM)
So they're trying to tell us that this bandana:

* Was worn by a hijacker, who would have been persperating profusely.
* Was not soiled by sweat or blood during what, by "all accounts", was a heck of a fight right before United 93 crashed in Shanksville.
* Suffered no damage or tearing during the aforementioned struggle.
* Survived, intact, through the intense fire and explosion, a fire that dissintegrated a passenger aircraft.
* Suffered no soiling on the actual ground after surviving the aforementioned.

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Damn that is one impressive bandana. Is it coated with adimantium or something? (geeky X-Men reference for those not in the know!)

dunno.gif

And they have the nerve to call us crazy...

I don't see a problem with the Bandanna surviving intact, It's made from cotton, the same stuff the fibres in the passport paper are made from. Cotton won't burn stain or melt. That's why Hells Angels don't wear leather pants, they know that if they fall under their burning hog the family jewels are wrapped in a layer of indestructible cotton. The rest of the body might be screwed up but not the important bits. This was a secret until 911. wink.gif
Beached
Another reason to doubt the authenticity of the red bandana is that it has long been a Hollywood stereotype for the Muslim "suicide bomber" to wear a "Rambo" style red bandana. Of course this is only my opinion, but considering how many Hollywood stereotypes can at the very least be described as "inaccurate", my gut instinct tells me that something is rotten here.
CrazyBlade
QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Nov 9 2006, 06:43 AM)
I don't see a problem with the Bandanna surviving intact, It's made from cotton, the same stuff the fibres in the passport paper are made from. Cotton won't burn stain or melt. That's why Hells Angels don't wear leather pants, they know that if they fall under their burning hog the family jewels are wrapped in a layer of indestructible cotton. The rest of the body might be screwed up but not the important bits. This was a secret until 911. wink.gif

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Tarya
QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Nov 8 2006, 04:59 PM)
I read somewhere that Jihadists wear green bandanas, not red.

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  "We were once with the Prophet on a journey. The sheets we had spread on our camels were decorated with red thread on the border. The Prophet, peace be upon him, said "I notice that the red colour has begun to catch your fancy." On hearing this we stood up and dispersed in confusion at the rebuke and immediately removed the sheets from the camel's backs."
Reported by Rafe in the Hadis

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The first phone call on the film was from Flight 93 passenger Jeremy Glick, who allegedly says, "There's three of them, Arab looking, possibly Iranian. They've got red headbands on, one of them is standing in the aisle wearing a red sash and bag round his waist. Says there's a bomb in it." The second phone call was from Flight 93 air hostess Sandy Bradshaw, who allegedly says, "My aircraft has been hijacked by three guys with knives. One of them is sitting in the back row first class. They've got red bandannas on their heads and they're Islamic-looking people. We are in the back galley boiling water to throw on them". As you can see from the photos on this page, the propagandists made sure you noticed this by filming the reconstructed hijackers with bright red scarves tied around their heads.

          As I sat there watching the stereotyped Muslim Terrorists with beard stubble savagely threatening defenseless Christian men and women, and running up and down the aircraft cutting a few throats here and there with their tiny Stanley knives, my brain automatically went into overdrive. Though not a Muslim myself, more than a decade ago I spent years in various parts of the Middle East, and could not remember ever seeing a Muslim man wearing the color red during my extensive travels through the towns, villages, deserts and mountains. If the color red was not acceptable for Muslims like Ringleader Mohammed Atta and his colleagues, the official story and the "phone calls" from the aircraft would be proved a complete and blatant lie. No devout Muslim would dare mock the Prophet Mohammed or Allah [God] at the very point of martyrdom.
       
    To prove this point I obviously needed expert assistance, and contacted Islamic authority Imam Sheikh Abbass on the subject. Sheikh Abbass was most helpful, and confirmed that the teachings of the Prophet Mohammed are clear on this matter, though the Prophet's disapproval of the color red on Muslim men is shown in the Hadis [Loosely translated as "The Prophetic Traditions"], rather than in the Koran. The actual location of the text makes no difference  to devout Muslims, who follow the traditions in the Hadis as closely as they follow the teachings of the Koran.

        Knowing that this report would produce blind outrage on the part of many evangelical Christians, I asked Sheikh Abbass to provide some direct quotes from the Hadis, which he very kindly did, the first of which appears at the top of this page under the two photos showing the Muslim hijackers wearing their red headbands or bandannas. Remember that all quotes are translated from the Arabic, and reflect the way that directives are discreetly issued in the Middle East, i.e. in the manner of oblique disapproval of a habit, rather than a direct order to stop a habit. I'll quote two more small extracts here to drive this critical point home, then get back to the main story of the mythical hijackers.

Abdullah Bin Amr reports: "Once we were accompanying the Prophet on a journey and I went to see him and I was wearing red saffron colored garments. He said to me "What is this you are wearing?" I sensed he did not like me wearing dress of that colour, and when I returned home I took it off and threw it into the fire." Bara Bin Azib reports, "That the Prophet, peace be upon him, prohibited the use of the red saddle".
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Getting back to the subject in hand, the color of Islam is green, the color of Osama Bin Laden is green, and the color of the largely mythical Al Qaeda is green. Almost as a reflection of this the Saudi Flag is green, as in the flag of Libya and several other predominantly Muslim countries. The whole of Palestine is awash with green, and martyrs from Hamas and Islamic Jihad always wear green headbands, either before or during their suicide missions.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050521014630/.../cleveland1.htm


Cary
Good post Tarya. Yes, most of the Islamic "terrorist colors" have been green. In fact, I've never seen red. That's the "Blood" colors (American street gang that has spread throughout all major US cities from Los Angelese). Same thing with the "Crips" although their color is blue bandanas.
behind
Yes. It is interesting to think about it.

Why red?

"While the color red has no special significance in Islam, it is commonly used on the flags of Muslim countries. Also, the Red Crescent is the Muslim equivalent of the Red Cross.

The color green has a special place in Islam. It is used in the decoration of mosques, the bindings of Qur'ans, the silken covers for the graves of Sufi saints, and in the flags of various Muslim countries.

The color green has been associated with Islam for many centuries. It is not clear why this is so. Some say green was Muhammad’s favorite color and that he wore a green cloak and turban. Others believe that it symbolizes nature and life, hence the physical manifestation of God. In the Qur'an {Surah 18:31), it is said that the inhabitants of paradise will wear green garments of fine silk..."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_symbols

But the color red is much more linked to the western world:
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Red indicates extreme danger on Western color-coded scales, such as wildfire hazard signs or the U.S. Homeland Security Advisory System. It also denotes the maximum level of danger and preparedness as in the phrases condition red and red alert.
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In Christianity, red represents the colour of fire and so symbolizes the presence of God. It is the liturgical color for Pentecost. It is also considered the colour of the Roman Catholic Church, since red can also symbolize the blood of martyrs. It is sometimes used for Holy Thursday and during Eastertide. In Roman Catholic tradition it is used for Palm Sunday in anticipation of the death of Jesus.
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Red is the color claimed by the street gangs Bloods and Norteños

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red
Henry
QUOTE (behind @ Jan 15 2007, 04:24 PM)
Yes.  It is interesting to think about it.

Why red?

"While the color red has no special significance in Islam, it is commonly used on the flags of Muslim countries. Also, the Red Crescent is the Muslim equivalent of the Red Cross."

I do not know who wrote that, but the red bandana does infact have a meaning in Islam. It refers to Abu Dujaana, a companion of Mohammed's who was instrumental in securing the survival of Islam through the many wars waged by the prophet. It represents ones willingness to give it all in battle for the muslim cause.

See this article for some background information:
http://www.youngmuslims.ca/articles/display.asp?ID=20

It would be a mistake to discard this this piece of evidence simply because it is red. If it was planted by the government, then it would appear that they definitely knew the meaning of it and used it intentionally.
Sinewy
QUOTE (Henry @ Jan 19 2007, 02:47 PM)
QUOTE (behind @ Jan 15 2007, 04:24 PM)
Yes.  It is interesting to think about it.

Why red?

"While the color red has no special significance in Islam, it is commonly used on the flags of Muslim countries. Also, the Red Crescent is the Muslim equivalent of the Red Cross."

I do not know who wrote that, but the red bandana does infact have a meaning in Islam. It refers to Abu Dujaana, a companion of Mohammed's who was instrumental in securing the survival of Islam through the many wars waged by the prophet. It represents ones willingness to give it all in battle for the muslim cause.

See this article for some background information:
http://www.youngmuslims.ca/articles/display.asp?ID=20

It would be a mistake to discard this this piece of evidence simply because it is red. If it was planted by the government, then it would appear that they definitely knew the meaning of it and used it intentionally.

I already mentioned this companion of the Prophet Muhammad in the LC forum.

However, that is an erroneous deduction due to the fact that the Prophet Muhammad's status in Islam is higher than a companion. A prophet according to Islam is infalliable, and others aren't. It is noteworthy to mention that the tradition of wearing turbans are usually the adorning of the white and black color. So a "real" jihadist (an invented term by MSM to strike terror in the hearts of non-Muslims) would know which one to wear. In terms of conquests, such as that of al-Fath (conquest of Makkah, or Mecca ), the Prophet Muhammad wore a black turban. Osama and the Taliban got it right though.

That "red" bandana was perhaps Willie Nelson's. tongue.gif

Of course it's planted evidence.
Sinewy
QUOTE (Beached @ Nov 8 2006, 10:54 PM)
I was sure it should have been green too.. I posted a thread on the old LC board, because I researched the Hadith where it is hinted that red is unacceptable in certain situations. However, Sinewy got pissed at me for writing that because apparently I had misquoted Hadith, so I'm really not sure. If anyone knows what color the banadana should have been it will be Sinewy.

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I am sorry buddy if I appeared "pissed". I wasn't pissed at all.
Cary
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However, that is an erroneous deduction due to the fact that the Prophet Muhammad's status in Islam is higher than a companion. A prophet according to Islam is infalliable, and others aren't. It is noteworthy to mention that the tradition of wearing turbans are usually the adorning of the white and black color. So a "real" jihadist (an invented term by MSM to strike terror in the hearts of non-Muslims) would know which one to wear. In terms of conquests, such as that of al-Fath (conquest of Makkah, or Mecca ), the Prophet Muhammad wore a black turban. Osama and the Taliban got it right though.

That "red" bandana was perhaps Willie Nelson's. tongue.gif

Of course it's planted evidence.


Sinewy,

Yes, of course it's planted. It's untouched and almost brand new appearance was a dead give away before even getting into the significance of the color red in terms of Islam. More like the gang colors of the "bloods" who originated in south central Los Angeles. They wear red bandanas like the one being paraded around. Might as well have been a blue bandana like the "crips" (another street gang) wear from the same part of L. A. Both gangs have gone national since their inception. They specialize in drug trafficing, prostitution, violence, gun running and protection rackets. Not exactly what I'd call "holy warriors."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "jihad" refer more to "the struggle" than "holy war" as is purported by American MSM? More twisted facts to support and be complicit with the current criminal regime in Washington D.C. from what I've read.
Sinewy
QUOTE (Cary @ Feb 20 2007, 02:01 AM)
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However, that is an erroneous deduction due to the fact that the Prophet Muhammad's status in Islam is higher than a companion. A prophet according to Islam is infalliable, and others aren't. It is noteworthy to mention that the tradition of wearing turbans are usually the adorning of the white and black color. So a "real" jihadist (an invented term by MSM to strike terror in the hearts of non-Muslims) would know which one to wear. In terms of conquests, such as that of al-Fath (conquest of Makkah, or Mecca ), the Prophet Muhammad wore a black turban. Osama and the Taliban got it right though.

That "red" bandana was perhaps Willie Nelson's. tongue.gif

Of course it's planted evidence.


Sinewy,

Yes, of course it's planted. It's untouched and almost brand new appearance was a dead give away before even getting into the significance of the color red in terms of Islam. More like the gang colors of the "bloods" who originated in south central Los Angeles. They wear red bandanas like the one being paraded around. Might as well have been a blue bandana like the "crips" (another street gang) wear from the same part of L. A. Both gangs have gone national since their inception. They specialize in drug trafficing, prostitution, violence, gun running and protection rackets. Not exactly what I'd call "holy warriors."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "jihad" refer more to "the struggle" than "holy war" as is purported by American MSM? More twisted facts to support and be complicit with the current criminal regime in Washington D.C. from what I've read.

Yes, I am puzzled as well. I didn't know they had the bloods and the crips in shanksville. B)

Jihad has many meanings and usages. Often the MSM sensationalize it to fit a government theory. Jihad does not mean specifically "Holy War" as it is often portrayed to be in MSM where you see "radical" Muslims wanting to kill all non-Muslims. Jihad like you stated means struggle, exertion, to feud against one's self, specifically for the betterment of one's soul. So jihad is a form of mental and spiritual exercise one does in order to achieve goodness in morals, mannerisms, ethiquettes towards oneself, others, and society as a whole. Often this type of jihad is known as the jihad-un-Nafs (the jihad of the nafs, soul).

Jihad can mean Qital (fight), and most classical scholars of Islam agree with this, specifically when it is required to do so. This form of Jihad needs specific conditions and criteria to be fulfilled before it can be implemented. It can be either offensive or defensive. The offensive jihad can only be applied when a legitimate authority rules the Muslim state (often termed as a Caliphate). It is done for the mere purposes of removing injustices and oppression. The defensive jihad can be applied by individuals who are being oppressed, beaten, threatened in their homes, lands, work, and anywhere it seems fit. In both circumstances of jihads, no innocent life may be taken or killed, meaning no fighting against non-combattants, no women or children, no fighting against the elderly, vegetations water supply may not be destroyed. These above examples of exemptions in fighting are stated in specific texts, but more can apply to the use of ijtihad (deductive reasoning) due to the changing circumstances of life, time periods, history, etc...The Qur`an specifically mentions explicitly that to take one innocent life is similar to killing all of humanity. This is something that the MSM doesn't speak of because their prime intent is a smear campaign and wanting to taint all Muslims as "fanatics", savages, monsters who are blood thirsty for "infidels", and warmongers.

This form of jihad (Qital) has literally been "hijacked" by the followers of the Wahabis/ Salafis. The British did a fine job of this by help forming the Saudi state and eventually destroying the Islamic caliphate. The Brits with the new cults help and Pan-`Arabism, destroyed the already weakening Ottoman Islamic state. For their help, and as a result and purposefully strategized by the British and other colonialists, the new `Arab states were formed along with new translations and interpretations of Shari`ah law allowed to progress and propagate. These radical groups who emerged were purposefully exploited by the upper echelons of those who play the game "within a game. Yes, these groups appear masonic, and there is evidence for it. These Wahabi/Salafis as there is evidence in the past and even present are puritanical and misguided. They believe that all other Muslims are misguided, and at times apostates, and that their group is the "saved" one. With the Saudi emerging and attaining wealth, these groups flourished more and took the limelight. The CIA, MI5, ISI, Mossad, other intelligences became involved with these groups for mere exploitation. They were granted many favors in terms of receiving the best of educations in the west due to this relationship the west has with these Gulf "wahabi" states. I will get back to this point later if I have time.

In terms of geo-politics, the Afghan resistance against the Soviets was also indicative of these relationships. The GID of Saudia `Arabia working hand in hand with the CIA and ISI shipped `Arabs of all over the world of the Salafi/Wahabi ideology into the fertile soil of Afghanistan. Remember in the MSM, the fighters both the local Afghans and the `Arabs were termed as "Freedom Fighters" or Mujahidin (the right translation is that Mujahidin, or Mujahid, singular form, is one who fights or does jihad). Later on, this term "freedom" got sensationalized once more after 9/11 as this time the U.S. was trying to protect "their" freedoms against those, the Afghans and `Arabs in Afghanistan, that were pursuing it in `80s-90s. Quite interestingly, "Operation Enduring Freedom" was named. It has such a theatrical spin to it, that it makes me laugh at the sheer stupidity of people who buy into all this. The purpose of this is merely trying to show you that these groups, Salafis/Wahabis, were being exploited not only for the Soviet War, but later on, they were going to be escapegoats and the apparent "antagonists" of the west after the war had ended. This hypothesis of mine came to fruition after 9/11 happened. They became the "new" enemy. With the GID and ISI recruitment of more, the west indeed had a "database", al Qa`eda, of patsies to serve roles. the 9/11 hijackers were patsies recruited by the CIA/GID/ISI and given safe haven into the U.S. They were given visas shelter, food, clothing, U.S. military training at naval bases, in other words, a comfortable life. No wonder you heard or read in the media that the Saudi families were escorted immediately after 9/11 from the U.S., the Saudi embassy issuing an "apparent" polemical defense in terms of playing the mistaken-identity- hijacker-card with the media, the ISI-Atta connection being ignored, and Musharraf keeping his job and saving his country from being attacked.

There is more to this issue, than the mere semantics and pseudo lingo usages such as that of "jihadists" or "holy war", but for now, I highlighted the main points.
Cary
Thanks for the expansion and background Sinewy. It makes so much sense compared to the bullshit being trotted out by the MSM here.
hardloperhans
My question about the red bandana:

Is there any proof that it belonged to one of the hijackers ?
It could have been worn by a passenger as well.
It could have been in the luggage.
It could have been lying in the field before the plane crashed. (that is my guess rolleyes.gif )

Does the governement have DNA-evidence that a hijacker wore this ?
Do they have the receipt or creditcard-slip of the purchase of this bandana ?

I cannot understand how this bandana in any way what so ever proff the hijacking of UA 93 by moslim-extremists.
Or why it was used as evidence in the Moussaoui-trial.
paranoia
old post of mine from LCF2, in response to some duhbunker or other:


regarding the color, the real problem is that the bandanas worn by "shahids" (martyrs) usually has arabic writing (at times religious text and at others it identifies affiliation to a particular group/party) written on it. the kind found and/or alleged to have come from the wreckage of "flight 93" were not muslim regardless of their colors. in fact for a time u could purchase the exact same brand of red (and blue or black) bandanas at 7-11's through out the eastern united states. these days that same brand is still available at sears or at army surpluss stores.


out of personal curiosity, i did a search of images for "jihad" or "suicide bomber" or "suicide terrorist". i found that many of these "martyrdom" head-wraps (they arent really bandanas afterall) come in many colors (a fairly popular color scheme was gold on black):

http://www.onefamilyfund.org/Portals/0/dea...mi_Salim_16.jpg
http://www.snappedshot.com/uploads/Intifad...r1357792040.jpg
http://www.greatdreams.com/political/iran-...red-scarves.jpg
http://blogs.abcnews.com/photos/uncategori...go_070618_s.jpg
http://www.barrybrumfield.com/terrorism/im...male_bomber.jpg
http://zioneocon.blogspot.com/dtr%20of%20I...20commander.jpg
http://web.israelinsider.com/Static/Binari...ection424_0.jpg
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/photos/...itat_jibali.jpg
http://www.intelligence.org.il/sp/sib_10_03/img/image012.jpg
http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/20...1/29/bomber.jpg
http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/...06e5da5_ms.jpeg
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/4553/39al.jpg
http://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photo...d_militants.jpg

green (the color of islam) is also a popular choice:

http://zioneocon.blogspot.com/british%20mu...e%20bombers.jpg
http://www.snappedshot.com/uploads/Intifad..._pope_islam.jpg
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_s...9/25/martyr.jpg
http://zioneocon.blogspot.com/pal%20kid%20...ild%20abuse.jpg
http://knighthospitilar.files.wordpress.co...e_bomber_1_.jpg
http://focusonjerusalem.com/08190102.gif
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n303/Av...ombershamas.jpg


but in all cases, there is either arabic prayer or some other text written upon these head-wraps. after looking at the many pics, my guess is that specific colors identify particular groups of origin. BUT there isnt a single picture out there of a "jihadist" or "terrorist" wearing an AMERICAN made, "western style" bandana. it seems to me that wearing an american-made bandana (instead of a muslim-made headwrap) would defeat the anti-infidel protocol of muslim extremists. they wouldnt dare suicide themselves and arrive at the gates of allah wearing "made in the usa" bandanas, now would they?

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eta: even the movie "united 93" tried to depict more realistic "muslim-looking" headbands, NOT bandanas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1_cEs0VRKM



why do you think that is? could it be for the sake of realism? even the makers of that movie knew how ludicrous and UNREALISTIC-looking it would be to have their ficitional hijackers wearing cowboy/construction worker/surfer-style bandanas.

too bad whoever put the trial "evidence" together didnt follow suit. then there would at least be one less fantastic claim to swallow. note some (or many) of the links may now be dead, this was written at least 2 years ago, but you can still find examples of muslim headwraps (for lack of a better word - i dont know any jihadists personally so i cant ask one what they call them damn things) by googling "suicide bomber" or "jihad".


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hadmatter
QUOTE (paranoia @ Aug 19 2010, 10:19 PM) *
old post of mine from LCF2, in response to some duhbunker or other:


regarding the color, the real problem is that the bandanas worn by "shahids" (martyrs) usually has arabic writing (at times religious text and at others it identifies affiliation to a particular group/party) written on it. the kind found and/or alleged to have come from the wreckage of "flight 93" were not muslim regardless of their colors. in fact for a time u could purchase the exact same brand of red (and blue or black) bandanas at 7-11's through out the eastern united states. these days that same brand is still available at sears or at army surpluss stores.



DRG had an interesting quote in "The New Pearl Harbor Revisited" about the red bandanas (also posted at the following link); and that is that the red bandana thing is a Shi'a Muslim tradition, while the followers of Bin Laden are principally Sunnis.


http://davidraygriffin.com/articles/was-am...muslims-on-911/


Also found on the ground, according to the government’s evidence presented to the Moussaoui trial, was a red headband.59 This was considered evidence that al-Qaeda hijackers were on Flight 93 because they were, according to some of the phone calls, wearing red headbands. But besides being absurd for the same reason as was the claim about Jarrah’s passport, this claim about the headband was problematic for another reason. Former CIA agent Milt Bearden, who helped train the Mujahideen fighters in Afghanistan, has pointed out that it would have been very unlikely that members of al-Qaeda would have worn such headbands:

[The red headband] is a uniquely Shi’a Muslim adornment. It is something that dates back to the formation of the Shi’a sect. . . . [I]t represents the preparation of he who wears this red headband to sacrifice his life, to murder himself for the cause. Sunnis are by and large most of the people following Osama bin Laden [and they] do not do this.60

We learned shortly after the invasion of Iraq that some people in the US government did not know the difference between Shi’a and Sunni Muslims. Did such people decide that the hijackers would be described as wearing red headbands?


Just one more thing that doesn't add up.
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