The Justice Department was preparing to file criminal charges against Bruce E. Ivins in the anthrax mailing assaults of 2001 that killed five.
By David Willman, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
9:42 PM PDT, July 31, 2008
One of the nation's top biodefense researchers has died in Maryland from an apparent suicide, just as the Justice Department was to file criminal charges against him in the anthrax mailing assaults of 2001 that killed five, the Los Angeles Times has learned.
Bruce E. Ivins, 62, who for the past 18 years worked at the government's elite biodefense research laboratories at Fort Detrick, Md., had been informed of the impending prosecution, people familiar with Ivins, his suspicious death and with the FBI investigation said.
Ivins' name had not been disclosed publicly as a suspect in the case that disrupted mail service and Senate business three weeks after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The Maryland scientist had for years played a pivotal role in research to improve anthrax vaccines, preparing anthrax formulations used in experiments on animals.
Regarded as a skilled microbiologist, Ivins also had helped the FBI analyze the powdery material recovered from one of the anthrax-tainted envelopes sent to a U.S. senator's office in Washington, D.C.
more... http://www.latimes.com/news
Full Version: Suspect In 2001 Anthrax Attacks Kills Himself.
Well, how convenient. A "lone nut" takes the fall. I guess there won't be any need for a trial, now. Not much need for the "investigation" to continue, either, it would seem.
I guess he must-a been the guy who done it!??
[/SARCASM]
Poor guy.
[/SARCASM]
Poor guy.
Anyone know how the suicide was carried out? Was it two gun shot wounds to the back of the head like other "suicides" of similar individuals?
Yes, this allows the government to "close the case".
This was another inside job, all the way.
This was another inside job, all the way.
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Aug 1 2008, 07:19 AM) 
Anyone know how the suicide was carried out? Was it two gun shot wounds to the back of the head like other "suicides" of similar individuals?
From the story:
Ivins died Tuesday at Frederick Memorial Hospital after ingesting a massive dose of prescription Tylenol mixed with codeine, said a friend and colleague, who declined to be identified out of concern that he would be harassed by the FBI.
The death -- without any mention of suicide -- was announced to Ivins' colleagues at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, or USAMRIID, through a staffwide e-mail.
"People here are pretty shook up about it," said Caree Vander Linden, a spokeswoman for USAMRIID, who said she was not at liberty to discuss details surrounding the death.
Another patsy. Makes you want to sign a witnessed statement claiming that you are NOT suicidal and would NEVER commit suicide. But, then again, you MIGHT have a terrible automobile ACCIDENT.
What is happening to our once great country?
rc
What is happening to our once great country?
rc
Hum! I guess that when I saw the title of this thread I was too optimistic that John Ashcroft had fallen on his sword. Chickenhawks never do.
There must be by now a very long list of suicides and accidental deaths of those close to pivotal mechanisms of the 9/11, ongoing, saga.
There must be by now a very long list of suicides and accidental deaths of those close to pivotal mechanisms of the 9/11, ongoing, saga.
I just had a thought. Does anybody feel that there is( and/or possibly will be) an increase in these apparent "suicides/accidents/shootings" because the Bush years are coming to an end? ie: tie up loose ends and dispose of evidence(witnesses).
a scared rc
a scared rc
Don't be scared,
be aware and prepare.
imo, lunk
be aware and prepare.
imo, lunk
QUOTE (richard cranium @ Aug 1 2008, 09:30 AM)
. . .
What is happening to our once great country?
What is happening to our once great country?
Was this country ever as "great" as we've been led to believe? I've come to doubt it -- certainly not within my lifetime (60). The difference is that we've begun to see through the tapestry of lies that forms the government/media driven "reality bubble" we've lived in. Two things are taking place. 1: The fascist oiligarchy has become increasingly less concerned with hiding their manipulations of the public mind and 2: The internet has provided a less hierarchically controlled medium for the citizenry to share information across established social boundaries. The down side of this latter bit is that everything we say or write, every thing we read or watch, every bank transfer or purchase we make, every web site we visit is being compiled for profiling purposes.
"They hate us for our freedoms."
QUOTE (painter @ Jul 30 2008, 04:53 PM)
Was this country ever as "great" as we've been led to believe? I've come to doubt it -- certainly not within my lifetime (60). The difference is that we've begun to see through the tapestry of lies that forms the government/media driven "reality bubble" we've lived in. Two things are taking place. 1: The fascist oiligarchy has become increasingly less concerned with hiding their manipulations of the public mind and 2: The internet has provided a less hierarchically controlled medium for the citizenry to share information across established social boundaries. The down side of this latter bit is that everything we say or write, every thing we read or watch, every bank transfer or purchase we make, every web site we visit is being compiled for profiling purposes.
"They hate us for our freedoms."
"They hate us for our freedoms."
It scares the hell out of me, but I'm beginning to think you are right Painter. VERY right.
rc
By the way concrning the internet----isn't the government trying to control that now( ie China) ?
QUOTE (richard cranium @ Aug 1 2008, 10:28 AM)
I just had a thought. Does anybody feel that there is( and/or possibly will be) an increase in these apparent "suicides/accidents/shootings" because the Bush years are coming to an end? ie: tie up loose ends and dispose of evidence(witnesses).
There is an interesting discussion regarding this suicide and your question at DemocraticUnderground:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...ess=102x3418728
The "Dead Scientists" links may be of particular interest to some:
http://www.stevequayle.com/dead_scientists...cientists2.html
http://www.stevequayle.com/dead_scientists...Scientists.html
YES painter, America has been on a downward curve probably from it's inception. The internet has simply provided a medium with which millions of people can finally start to connect the dots. John Adams might have been a sincere patriot, Jefferson as well - but the seeds of our enslavement were planted from the beginning.
Washington's chief Lieutenant Hamilton attempted a coup on the US government during Adam's presidency. What a tangled web we weave! Did Washington try his darndest to defeat the Redcoats ? Yes, of course he did. Was he a great president? Yes, I think so. But is that the end of the story? Definitly not. The family crest of Washington was later altered to show 5 pointed stars, but the original crest of Wash showed the Phoenician red and white stripes with the pagan Seal of Solomon - not to mention that Washington and Franklin were Masons.
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/1988/picture6th1.png
The US was a blank slate, to be painted by whoever had the biggest brush - there were moments of justice and clarity and righteousness, there was Andrew Jackson who threw the foreign bankers out on the curb (and barely survived an assasination attempt for his trouble), Lincoln faired less well. And the claws of international banking and industrial power sank deeper and deeper into virgin America, ignored by the ever subserviant and complacent populace. A hundred years ago, despite having no internet or alternate sources of information, the American people pretty much knew who the enemy was. That's all changed, these days you talk about a banking elite controlling government and you are a conspiracy-theorist nut-job.
I still believe in America, despite evidence that the founders were compromised from the start - if only from the words, "the price of Liberty is eternal vigilance". That's why we're all here, posting, I suppose.
Washington's chief Lieutenant Hamilton attempted a coup on the US government during Adam's presidency. What a tangled web we weave! Did Washington try his darndest to defeat the Redcoats ? Yes, of course he did. Was he a great president? Yes, I think so. But is that the end of the story? Definitly not. The family crest of Washington was later altered to show 5 pointed stars, but the original crest of Wash showed the Phoenician red and white stripes with the pagan Seal of Solomon - not to mention that Washington and Franklin were Masons.
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/1988/picture6th1.png
The US was a blank slate, to be painted by whoever had the biggest brush - there were moments of justice and clarity and righteousness, there was Andrew Jackson who threw the foreign bankers out on the curb (and barely survived an assasination attempt for his trouble), Lincoln faired less well. And the claws of international banking and industrial power sank deeper and deeper into virgin America, ignored by the ever subserviant and complacent populace. A hundred years ago, despite having no internet or alternate sources of information, the American people pretty much knew who the enemy was. That's all changed, these days you talk about a banking elite controlling government and you are a conspiracy-theorist nut-job.
I still believe in America, despite evidence that the founders were compromised from the start - if only from the words, "the price of Liberty is eternal vigilance". That's why we're all here, posting, I suppose.
To be clear, the 6 pointed star on the crest of the Wash family had nothing to do with Judeaism, the symbol hadn't even been adopted by that religion at the time. It was still just a pagan symbol. I'm trying to address all of this in my dragon thread. Carry on.
There is considerable internet chatter already about the number of microbiologists that have been killed in mysterious circumstances since 9/11.
January/022979.htmlhttp://www.whatreallyhappened.com/deadbiologists.html
It is my recollection that Steve Alten wove it into his "Shell Game" plot.
January/022979.htmlhttp://www.whatreallyhappened.com/deadbiologists.html
It is my recollection that Steve Alten wove it into his "Shell Game" plot.
Vital unresolved anthrax questions and ABC News
by Glenn Greenwald
Salon, Aug. 1, 2008
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/200...hrax/index.html
by Glenn Greenwald
Salon, Aug. 1, 2008
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/200...hrax/index.html
Another article
NYT Changes Anthrax Story…As I Was Reading It!
by Scott Creighton
American Everyman, Posted by willyloman, August 1, 2008
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2008/08/01...was-reading-it/
NYT Changes Anthrax Story…As I Was Reading It!
by Scott Creighton
American Everyman, Posted by willyloman, August 1, 2008
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2008/08/01...was-reading-it/
A good interview by Keith, but unless I missed it, neither he nor Posner made the connection to the blackmailed passage of the USA Patriot Act.
Yeah, and the fact that they are going on the assumtion that Ivins did it. Horse biscuits. This was part of the whole 9-11 plot ... whoever took the Anthrax covered their tracks well. Look for someone who was a suspect for a short time but that the FBI is leaving alone ... someone like Phillip Zach. (BTW, WhatReallyHappened and others claim that Zach is a Zionist - he might be, but he's Catholic.)
I have no idea who smuggled the spores out of Ft. Detrick, and I don't think we'll ever know. The important thing is, with Ivins' suicide, the book is CLOSED.
I have no idea who smuggled the spores out of Ft. Detrick, and I don't think we'll ever know. The important thing is, with Ivins' suicide, the book is CLOSED.
PNAC/Neocon "housecleaning"...
Dead microbiologists tell no tales...
Dead microbiologists tell no tales...
What's the count up to now, 16 or 17?
http://www.rense.com/general20/mic.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/deadbiologists.html
http://www.rense.com/general20/mic.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/deadbiologists.html
QUOTE
No Autopsy
Ivins's death is being investigated as an apparent suicide from a drug overdose, said Lieutenant Shawn Martyak of the Frederick Police Department's criminal investigation division. Based on laboratory test results of blood taken from the body, the state medical examiner ``determined that an autopsy wouldn't be necessary'' to determine the cause of death, Martyak said.
The Los Angeles Times, which first reported the story, said Ivins took an overdose of prescription Tylenol with codeine.
Ivins's death is being investigated as an apparent suicide from a drug overdose, said Lieutenant Shawn Martyak of the Frederick Police Department's criminal investigation division. Based on laboratory test results of blood taken from the body, the state medical examiner ``determined that an autopsy wouldn't be necessary'' to determine the cause of death, Martyak said.
The Los Angeles Times, which first reported the story, said Ivins took an overdose of prescription Tylenol with codeine.
Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...&refer=home
Commentary on DemocraticUnderground:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...ess=389x3719911
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...ess=389x3719911
QUOTE (NightWatcher)
My two cents on the Anthrax Suicide… from a former spook
His neighbors say that they knew that he was under surveillance because they parked the SV's (surveillance vehicles) in front of their houses on numerous occasions.
His was a classic "suicide op" in which the subject is surveilled OVERTLY. He is harassed until it drives him crazy. He is threatened with jail and prosecution like the Sword of Damacles was hanging over his head. He is "reminded" that if he goes to jail (and/or is executed) that his family will not receive any of his pension, insurance, retirement..... While his suicide probably voided any private insurance, his family will still not get benefits from the government.
Agents had reached his therapist and were getting the evidence to discredit his name and any defense that he might wage against the charges he was being threatened with. He was also being prepped for discreditation in the event that he turned "whistle blower".
His "suicide" was an excellent Operation by those who either were responsible for the original anthrax or who wanted to make the story go away by putting the blame on him.
Questions:
If Bruce Ivins was the main suspect, why hadn’t we heard anything about the Anthrax case in nearly seven years?
Why was Steven Hatfield able to successfully sue the US Government for harassment and violation of his civil liberties just a couple of months ago?
Did the government lean on Ivins just as they leaned on Hatfield, but Hatfield was able to get out from under the pressure by putting the pressure back on the government?
fwiw, I used to work in the "discrediting" field many years ago and have seen this done a few times, and this appears to have followed the SOP (standard operating procedure).
No autopsy huh, oh well I guess the case is closed and ready to be sent down the memory hole.
His neighbors say that they knew that he was under surveillance because they parked the SV's (surveillance vehicles) in front of their houses on numerous occasions.
His was a classic "suicide op" in which the subject is surveilled OVERTLY. He is harassed until it drives him crazy. He is threatened with jail and prosecution like the Sword of Damacles was hanging over his head. He is "reminded" that if he goes to jail (and/or is executed) that his family will not receive any of his pension, insurance, retirement..... While his suicide probably voided any private insurance, his family will still not get benefits from the government.
Agents had reached his therapist and were getting the evidence to discredit his name and any defense that he might wage against the charges he was being threatened with. He was also being prepped for discreditation in the event that he turned "whistle blower".
His "suicide" was an excellent Operation by those who either were responsible for the original anthrax or who wanted to make the story go away by putting the blame on him.
Questions:
If Bruce Ivins was the main suspect, why hadn’t we heard anything about the Anthrax case in nearly seven years?
Why was Steven Hatfield able to successfully sue the US Government for harassment and violation of his civil liberties just a couple of months ago?
Did the government lean on Ivins just as they leaned on Hatfield, but Hatfield was able to get out from under the pressure by putting the pressure back on the government?
fwiw, I used to work in the "discrediting" field many years ago and have seen this done a few times, and this appears to have followed the SOP (standard operating procedure).
No autopsy huh, oh well I guess the case is closed and ready to be sent down the memory hole.
Did anyone see Bruce's brother on the news this morning? He said that after the FBI had interviewed him that they took him out for a sandwich and a beer.
Have been reading through the Glen Greenwald comments section, almost no one believes this BS, but what is interesting is that a number of people for the first time are now considering that 9/11 was an inside job.
Also my thoughts are with the Ivin's family.
Also my thoughts are with the Ivin's family.
After suicide, feds consider closing anthrax case
By LARA JAKES JORDAN and MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writers
1 hour, 51 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The chief suspect in the anthrax attacks now dead, the Justice Department is expected to decide within days whether to close what had been one of its most high-profile unsolved cases.
Five people died and 17 others were sickened when anthrax-laced letters began showing up at congressional offices, newsrooms and post offices soon after Sept. 11, 2001.
After wrongly investigating Army scientist Steven Hatfill, the FBI more than a year ago began looking at another suspect: Bruce E. Ivins, who worked at the same military lab. Ivins, a decorated scientist who was working on an anthrax cure, killed himself last Tuesday.
David R. Franz, a former commander of the Army's lab biological warfare labs at Fort Detrick, Md., where Ivins worked, said Saturday he thought it was "very important that the FBI present their case against Bruce and not just state that the investigation was over because it was him and he's gone."
Franz added, "I'm concerned about what closing this case without conclusive evidence might do to harm our life sciences enterprise. ... I think we as Americans need to see the proof."
Prosecutors were mulling this weekend whether to tell a grand jury investigating evidence against Ivins to close the case. If that happens, court documents outlining the government's evidence are expected to be unsealed.• • •
More at source:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080802/ap_on_...uDrumTxByVH2ocA
EDIT: WEIRD, the buttons for editing or deleting the previous post aren't showing up for me. Sorry folks, looks like a glitch.
Didn't mean to imply that Glenn Greenwald's piece is BS. It is a fantastic piece.
Government response is BS.
Government response is BS.
QUOTE (painter @ Jul 31 2008, 10:07 PM)
. . .
EDIT: WEIRD, the buttons for editing or deleting the previous post aren't showing up for me. Sorry folks, looks like a glitch.
EDIT: WEIRD, the buttons for editing or deleting the previous post aren't showing up for me. Sorry folks, looks like a glitch.
Having the same problem.
Am very disturbed about this. They can pick you out and pick you off! Absolutely no law, and what can we do about it.
QUOTE (painter @ Jul 30 2008, 01:54 PM)
From the story:
Ivins died Tuesday at Frederick Memorial Hospital after ingesting a massive dose of prescription Tylenol mixed with codeine, said a friend and colleague, who declined to be identified out of concern that he would be harassed by the FBI.
Err, is it just me, or does anyone else think such a skilled and experienced microbiologist could have come up with a slightly less crude (more glamourous/certain) way of "checking out"?
Or once again, has the event been simplified for the sheople?
True, if say he had killed himself using a tank of Nitrogen and a breathing mask from the lab then the story might sound a little bit more believable.
...but then they wouldn't be able to taunt us with with these stories would they?
...but then they wouldn't be able to taunt us with with these stories would they?
QUOTE (painter)
After suicide, feds consider closing anthrax case
By LARA JAKES JORDAN and MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writers
1 hour, 51 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The chief suspect in the anthrax attacks now dead, the Justice Department is expected to decide within days whether to close what had been one of its most high-profile unsolved cases.
Five people died and 17 others were sickened when anthrax-laced letters began showing up at congressional offices, newsrooms and post offices soon after Sept. 11, 2001.
After wrongly investigating Army scientist Steven Hatfill, the FBI more than a year ago began looking at another suspect: Bruce E. Ivins, who worked at the same military lab. Ivins, a decorated scientist who was working on an anthrax cure, killed himself last Tuesday.
David R. Franz, a former commander of the Army's lab biological warfare labs at Fort Detrick, Md., where Ivins worked, said Saturday he thought it was "very important that the FBI present their case against Bruce and not just state that the investigation was over because it was him and he's gone."
Franz added, "I'm concerned about what closing this case without conclusive evidence might do to harm our life sciences enterprise. ... I think we as Americans need to see the proof."
Prosecutors were mulling this weekend whether to tell a grand jury investigating evidence against Ivins to close the case. If that happens, court documents outlining the government's evidence are expected to be unsealed.
By LARA JAKES JORDAN and MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writers
1 hour, 51 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The chief suspect in the anthrax attacks now dead, the Justice Department is expected to decide within days whether to close what had been one of its most high-profile unsolved cases.
Five people died and 17 others were sickened when anthrax-laced letters began showing up at congressional offices, newsrooms and post offices soon after Sept. 11, 2001.
After wrongly investigating Army scientist Steven Hatfill, the FBI more than a year ago began looking at another suspect: Bruce E. Ivins, who worked at the same military lab. Ivins, a decorated scientist who was working on an anthrax cure, killed himself last Tuesday.
David R. Franz, a former commander of the Army's lab biological warfare labs at Fort Detrick, Md., where Ivins worked, said Saturday he thought it was "very important that the FBI present their case against Bruce and not just state that the investigation was over because it was him and he's gone."
Franz added, "I'm concerned about what closing this case without conclusive evidence might do to harm our life sciences enterprise. ... I think we as Americans need to see the proof."
Prosecutors were mulling this weekend whether to tell a grand jury investigating evidence against Ivins to close the case. If that happens, court documents outlining the government's evidence are expected to be unsealed.
Oh, there is still a top anthrax suspect out there.
Perhaps Jerome Hauer will be next to commit seppaku (self disembowelment). Rudi, you should try it too. Wear one of your dresses for a more eloquent finale.
QUOTE (Meet Jerome Hauer - 9/11 Suspect Awaiting Indictment)
Ladies and Gentlemen, meet Jerome Hauer, director of the Office of Public Health Preparedness.
On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer was a national security advisor with the National Institute of Health, a managing director with Kroll Associates, and a guest on national television. His background in counter-terror and his specialized knowledge of biological warfare served him well on that day. Perhaps a little too well.
Anthrax Attacks
On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer advised the White House to begin taking Cipro, an antibiotic which is effective against anthrax.
Mr. Hauer's advice was not made public. Its value may have been underestimated at the time, but it was clearly demonstrated a week later, when the first anthrax letters appeared, and again three weeks after that, when anthrax appeared in letters to Democratic Senators Daschle and Leahy.
The obvious question is: Did Jerome Hauer know about the anthrax attacks in advance?
Prior Knowledge?
Strangely, perhaps, this is not the first time questions of prior knowledge have surfaced in Jerome Hauer's wake.
Jerome Hauer joined New York City's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) in 1998 and quickly obtained funding from the office of then-mayor Rudy Giuliani for the study of West Nile virus. The following year the virus appeared in the city, and Jerome Hauer led the fumigation effort.
Did Jerome Hauer know this was going to happen? Or did he just get "lucky"?
And how could anyone know such a thing was going to happen? Unless ... unless ...
Strangely, perhaps, Jerome Hauer managed the NIH response to the anthrax attacks. The anthrax used in the attacks was identified as an Ames strain, which means it had to have come from the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Maryland.
Jerome Hauer received relatively good information for tracking down the origin of the anthrax. He even got a list of people from various institutes, including USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. But his response was slow and hidden behind a public relations campaign spreading Orwellian claims like "Suspects are Osama bin Laden and his Al-Q'aeda network and sympathizers to US right wing extremists".
Why would he act so slowly, and in such an inappropriate fashion? Perhaps because Jerome Hauer knew someone whose name was on that list?
Stephen Hatfill, at one time considered a prime suspect in this still-unsolved case, had worked for USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. Strangely, perhaps, he had also worked with Jerome Hauer, for Scientific Applications International Corporation, at the Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis.
http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2007/02/...t-awaiting.html
On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer was a national security advisor with the National Institute of Health, a managing director with Kroll Associates, and a guest on national television. His background in counter-terror and his specialized knowledge of biological warfare served him well on that day. Perhaps a little too well.
Anthrax Attacks
On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer advised the White House to begin taking Cipro, an antibiotic which is effective against anthrax.
Mr. Hauer's advice was not made public. Its value may have been underestimated at the time, but it was clearly demonstrated a week later, when the first anthrax letters appeared, and again three weeks after that, when anthrax appeared in letters to Democratic Senators Daschle and Leahy.
The obvious question is: Did Jerome Hauer know about the anthrax attacks in advance?
Prior Knowledge?
Strangely, perhaps, this is not the first time questions of prior knowledge have surfaced in Jerome Hauer's wake.
Jerome Hauer joined New York City's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) in 1998 and quickly obtained funding from the office of then-mayor Rudy Giuliani for the study of West Nile virus. The following year the virus appeared in the city, and Jerome Hauer led the fumigation effort.
Did Jerome Hauer know this was going to happen? Or did he just get "lucky"?
And how could anyone know such a thing was going to happen? Unless ... unless ...
Strangely, perhaps, Jerome Hauer managed the NIH response to the anthrax attacks. The anthrax used in the attacks was identified as an Ames strain, which means it had to have come from the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Maryland.
Jerome Hauer received relatively good information for tracking down the origin of the anthrax. He even got a list of people from various institutes, including USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. But his response was slow and hidden behind a public relations campaign spreading Orwellian claims like "Suspects are Osama bin Laden and his Al-Q'aeda network and sympathizers to US right wing extremists".
Why would he act so slowly, and in such an inappropriate fashion? Perhaps because Jerome Hauer knew someone whose name was on that list?
Stephen Hatfill, at one time considered a prime suspect in this still-unsolved case, had worked for USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. Strangely, perhaps, he had also worked with Jerome Hauer, for Scientific Applications International Corporation, at the Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis.
http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2007/02/...t-awaiting.html
Yessir! The lone gunman this time is a lone microbiologist, complete with Gerald Posner to tell the story to the sheeple.
Keith is semi-great, with the sarcasm dripping from his tongue as he all but says "if you believe anything the FBI says about this you are really, really stupid". Then he pulls out MSNBC's official myth-maker Posner to lay out the limited hangout, if this could even be called that.
Keith is semi-great, with the sarcasm dripping from his tongue as he all but says "if you believe anything the FBI says about this you are really, really stupid". Then he pulls out MSNBC's official myth-maker Posner to lay out the limited hangout, if this could even be called that.
I don't quite get the codeine, but I think sufficient quantity of acetaminophen will kill you. Easy to come by. I have no idea how much it would take or how quickly it would act.
The codeine almost makes it sound like he was drinking out of a cold medicine bottle???
The codeine almost makes it sound like he was drinking out of a cold medicine bottle???
http://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2008/08...ean-duleys.html
This from a scientist who has met Ivin's on a number of occasions at scientific meetings. Read her blog - as far back as 2002, she was pinpointing how to get the culprit.
This from a scientist who has met Ivin's on a number of occasions at scientific meetings. Read her blog - as far back as 2002, she was pinpointing how to get the culprit.
QUOTE (SPreston @ Aug 1 2008, 12:56 AM)
Jerome Hauer
Why is this guy's name appearing in every stenchpot?
Jerome Hauer probably won't be committing seppuku. He's probably one of the guys deciding who will be next to commit "seppuku". He probably ran the whole Anthrax show - he is the guy who called the White House and told the staff to take Cipro, he is the link between the Ft. Detrick/Johns Hopkins/SAIC world of counter-bio-terrorism and the financial nexus of AIG and Marsh McLennan etc., and the CIA front Kroll, where he was a managing director.
Also Hauer, as director of the Office of Emergency Management, decided there should be a $13 million crisis center set up in WTC7. Talk about being connected!??
ttp://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1261.shtml
Is the Hauer in Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld related to Jerome??
Also Hauer, as director of the Office of Emergency Management, decided there should be a $13 million crisis center set up in WTC7. Talk about being connected!??
ttp://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1261.shtml
Is the Hauer in Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld related to Jerome??
Sanders; Agree with you fully.
It would seem that the Fed's have a problem with the supposed shrink that slandered Ivins:
Jean Duley redux
Jean Duley redux
Thanks for the info on Duley.
The anthrax cases seemed like an inside job when they happened, and Ivins' death does nothing to change things IMO.
The anthrax cases seemed like an inside job when they happened, and Ivins' death does nothing to change things IMO.
Why did any of this even happen? Because Ivins' court case was impending. That was a problem, for what reason we don't really know, so Ivins is suicided. Case closed - and the news lately, if you have been paying attention, is all about Ivans' guilt (devoid of any real evidence). A cold body and a guilty verdict in the court of public opinion is the optimum book-closer.
And Lord knows that today's public is as gullible as ever there was.
Exactly.
QUOTE (Sanders @ Aug 4 2008, 12:37 PM)
Why did any of this even happen? Because Ivins' court case was impending. That was a problem, for what reason we don't really know, so Ivins is suicided. Case closed - and the news lately, if you have been paying attention, is all about Ivans' guilt (devoid of any real evidence). A cold body and a guilty verdict in the court of public opinion is the optimum book-closer.
Actually, that isn't quite true:
NPR: Media reports indicating Anthrax scientist Ivins was going to be indicted imminently are False
Anthrax Indictment May Have Been Weeks Away
Daschle criticizes anthrax investigation
FBI's evidence in anthrax case said to be mostly circumstantial
Therapist: Anthrax suspect tried to poison people
"Whole Load Of Crap"-Larisa Alexandrovna Has Low Down On "Therapist" To The Anthrax Suspect
one of the most disturbing aspects of this death is that i have read that the fbi has ordered NO AUTOPSY.
so, it is only conjecture that he died of any overdose of acetominophen[tylenol] and codeine.
more curious were the interviews that aired on npr's sunday edition with his neighbors, his associate workers. none seem to have ever seen the individual that the feds and their stoolie described.
curiouser still, was the interview with his brother. who admitted that he had not talked to his brother in years, and that clearly this was caused by some extreme sibling hostilities. his other brother declined to comment.
now, i suppose that the corpse will have been either embalmed or cremated.
this Gman story smells so bad that you can smell it through your computer.
and here is another strange twist that was reported late this afternoon: he had some issues with the kappa kappa gamma sorority. that are reported to go back to his college days. if that isn't a reach, i don't know what a stretch is. and i think i do.
so, it is only conjecture that he died of any overdose of acetominophen[tylenol] and codeine.
more curious were the interviews that aired on npr's sunday edition with his neighbors, his associate workers. none seem to have ever seen the individual that the feds and their stoolie described.
curiouser still, was the interview with his brother. who admitted that he had not talked to his brother in years, and that clearly this was caused by some extreme sibling hostilities. his other brother declined to comment.
now, i suppose that the corpse will have been either embalmed or cremated.
this Gman story smells so bad that you can smell it through your computer.
and here is another strange twist that was reported late this afternoon: he had some issues with the kappa kappa gamma sorority. that are reported to go back to his college days. if that isn't a reach, i don't know what a stretch is. and i think i do.
I did a quick search, but couldn't find anything to support a faint memory I have of reading something 9/11 related which said that if you can control the story for the first three days, you will have a good chance of controlling it all the way through regardless of what information turns up later.
We all develop mental short cuts to keep us from having to re-plow the same furrows over and over in our mind. Mention a topic/story and the "gist" of it pops up to fill the mental screen. No need to look at the details, a quick glance reminds you of the lay of the land in the familiar landscape, and you're mind is freed to tend to other distractions of the moment.
Anyone have any links to anything on this concept?
We all develop mental short cuts to keep us from having to re-plow the same furrows over and over in our mind. Mention a topic/story and the "gist" of it pops up to fill the mental screen. No need to look at the details, a quick glance reminds you of the lay of the land in the familiar landscape, and you're mind is freed to tend to other distractions of the moment.
Anyone have any links to anything on this concept?
QUOTE (forthetrees @ Aug 8 2008, 08:50 PM)
...Anyone have any links to anything on this concept?
No, but it sounds about right (barring new information).
Blog posting by Dr. Gerry Higgens, Aug 4th
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I have been a close friend of Dr. Bruce Ivins for years. The FBI needed a scapegoat, especially after Stephen Hatfill, whose foot the FBI ran over, won a $5.2 M lawsuit against them.
The new FBI director needed a capture in this case. So, they took all of the Ft. Detrick anthrax researchers and put them under intense interrogation.
Bruce was a mild, meek and sensitive scientist. The FBI showed his clinically depressed daughter, who was institutionalized in a mental hospital, photos of the anthrax victims, and said "your father did this." They offered his son $2.5 M and a sportscar if he would "rat" on his father.
Bruce could not stand stand up to the constant harrasment by the FBI. So we have lost a very talented researcher, so that the FBI can close the case...
Posted by:Dr. Gerry Higgins | August 04, 2008 at 07:02 AM
The new FBI director needed a capture in this case. So, they took all of the Ft. Detrick anthrax researchers and put them under intense interrogation.
Bruce was a mild, meek and sensitive scientist. The FBI showed his clinically depressed daughter, who was institutionalized in a mental hospital, photos of the anthrax victims, and said "your father did this." They offered his son $2.5 M and a sportscar if he would "rat" on his father.
Bruce could not stand stand up to the constant harrasment by the FBI. So we have lost a very talented researcher, so that the FBI can close the case...
Posted by:Dr. Gerry Higgins | August 04, 2008 at 07:02 AM
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