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Domenick DiMaggio CIT
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rob balsamo
Good stuff Dom. thumbsup.gif
SPreston
Yes, just great Domenick. cleanup.gif



The crater was only 6 or 8 feet deep? Twenty feet wide? How do you fit 100 tons of aircraft into such a low volume area?
The alleged 37 passengers (including the alleged 4 'hijackers') and 7 crew members (44) with their seats would not fit into that area.
Where did the rest of the alleged 757 aircraft go? More Bush Regime magic?

Alleged Flt 93 Crash Site After Excavation




The Flt 93 Crash Site Picture The First Day - Before Excavation (Click me)
SPreston
Shanksville Coroner Wally Miller was there, on the scene of the alleged Flt 93 crash site, soon after the alleged crash.

How is it that a 100 ton aircraft, allegedly almost in a vertical dive (alleged 40 degree nose-down inverted attitude) and allegedly at 563 mph, only buried 6-8 feet deep in a soft soil coal strip mine?

That seems preposterous.

QUOTE (Famous Wally Miller quotations)
Miller was among the very first to arrive after 10:06 on the magnificently sunny morning of September 11.
He was stunned at how small the smoking crater looked, he says,
"like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it." Once he was able to absorb the scene, Miller says,
"I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there."

Immediately after the crash, the seeming absence of human remains led the mind of coroner Wally Miller to a surreal fantasy:
that Flight 93 had somehow stopped in mid-flight and discharged all of its passengers before crashing.
"There was just nothing visible," he says. "It was the strangest feeling."It would be nearly an hour before Miller came upon his first trace of a body part.

Another 14 victims of Flight 93 identified
Saturday, October 27, 2001
At the same time, the high winds that buffeted the area over the last few days have dislodged additional airplane parts -- seat cushions,
wiring, carpet fragments and pieces of metal -- from trees near the crash site.
"It's all aircraft parts, no human remains," Miller said. "We've collected them in
10 recycling bin-sized containers and eventually we'll turn them all over to United
."

Alleged Flight 93 debris recovered from 6-8 ft deep crater


UnderTow
WoW. Look at all those pictures he's got.

It'd be interesting to see a dotted map of parts/remains found in that area.

Another stellar effort, /salute
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Aug 3 2008, 12:33 PM) *
Good stuff Dom. thumbsup.gif



thank you brother.

as i'm sure you're well aware from that there are definitely contradictions between truth and bush's 9/11 commission. wally recites the official flight path cross route 30 and the scrap yard and then explains how the plane came in with it's wings vertical to the ground [which i have corroborated with other witnesses which means it isn't inverted] with the right wing hitting first and the front of the plane shattering off into the woods.

you can draw a straight line from the deepest point of the damaged woods making an arrow and see this plane cannot come over the scrap but has to come more from the east.

indian lake marina and indian lake golf course are directly due east of the crash site if not a tad northeast.

this would explain the debris field in the lake especially if an intercept by the small white plane witnessed by many residents took place.

indications are that most likely edward felt's phone call to west moreland county 911 happened later than stated in the printed media and that his account of the goings on at that point are accurate.

the only explanation for the lack of plane debris would be that there was a bomb of some type aboard the aircraft. that would also help explain why passengers were loaded from the tarmac which was highly unusual. 2 men of middle eastern backgrounds exited the plane as soon as there was an announcement that there was going to be a delay. these men most likely were the men who placed guns on the plane for the hijackers as described by tom burnett.

this would then explain the need to shoot down this plane and also cover it up. using the government's phone calls against them we can determine that 3 men hijacked this plane. there was no resistance from the pilots because the hijackers did indeed have guns like which was reported on aa11 as well. there is no other explanation.

the delay at newark that morning [for still unexplained reasons] are what jeopardized this aspect of the operation and forced the bush regime to abort. on the flights that struck the towers had the passengers made any airphone calls out they would not have received information that planes were being used in suicide missions which wouldn't give anyone a reason to start an uprising as they would believe the hijackers were really returning to the airport until it was too late.

the plane armed with a bomb was most likely going to nose dive right into the lap of congress allowing the immediate implementation of martial law. had the plane been successfully taken over [40 vs. 3] and the passengers gained control and with help were able to land it the whole operation would have been exposed long before the dust settled anywhere that day.

i can't find any witnesses to a plane flying away from the crash site.
i can't find any witnesses to a c130 dumping debris or even being in the area that morning.

i can find witnesses to the plane heading towards the site with its wings vertical to the ground.
i can find witnesses to the white plane being there after the explosion.

and if you want to check with shelton i believe i have the name of someone who's going to tell an account that is going to be very very important.

thats just my thoughts at this time. they can be changed should something new come to light.

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oh and yeah..... do you like how wally says indian lake is in the direction of the blast trajectory into the woods? wink.gif
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
QUOTE (SPreston @ Aug 3 2008, 05:20 PM) *
Yes, just great Domenick. cleanup.gif

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The crater was only 6 or 8 feet deep? Twenty feet wide? How do you fit 100 tons of aircraft into such a low volume area?
The alleged 37 passengers (including the alleged 4 'hijackers') and 7 crew members (44) with their seats would not fit into that area.
Where did the rest of the alleged 757 aircraft go? More Bush Regime magic?

<font size="3">Alleged Flt 93 Crash Site After Excavation</font>




<font size="3">The Flt 93 Crash Site Picture The First Day - Before Excavation</font> (Click me)


thank you!

appreciate it. i have to thank shelton and state rep bob bastian for making it all possible.

and if you look at the pond in the images posted that is in the direction of the blast trajectory there that is where wally miller says a 1 ton section of the 2nd engine was recovered somewhere between 500-600 yards away from the site.
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
QUOTE (Turbofan @ Aug 3 2008, 05:37 PM) *
That dude is messed up, or force fed a script.

Hmmm...


More related videos:

Before
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTNDVAfcJ2I...feature=related

After
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rygx1Q8zw3E...feature=related

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he really didn't say anything different.

he went out of his way to stress how small the crater was sayin only 6-8 feet deep and agreeing with it being somewhere between 15-20 feet wide.

he said how little human remains were recovered.

he even went into detail about these statements.

i do not believe wally miller is shilling for the united states government for a second. if this is a staged scene as some people [not i] contend then wally miller was duped as well as he would require being. but i and the others who accompanied me that day and spend 2 hours with the man believe he is genuine.

wally miller is willing to talk about no plane theories and no body theories but ask him about shoot down theories.......'i dont wanna talk about that'.
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
QUOTE (UnderTow @ Aug 3 2008, 06:29 PM) *
WoW. Look at all those pictures he's got.

It'd be interesting to see a dotted map of parts/remains found in that area.

Another stellar effort, /salute



thank you!

there were hundreds of photos.

this site was not however, documented in the way you describe as it should have been. this would have made for a better understanding of the crash dynamics involved during a reconstruction and even explained which passengers where were and possibly helped identify remains that were deemed 'unidentifiable'.

of course the government did not want such a real investigation taking place.

there are no photos of anything inside the crater. if they exist wally miller sure doesn't have them or took them.

i will be hopefully acquiring a full set of them minus the ones containing human remains. i have to check to see how much the charge is going to be to purchase them.
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
p.s. i reserve the right to change my opinion of wally miller under further analysis and discrepancies. i need more time to study this interview......
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
http://libertasmedia.org

in about 30 minutes from now [10:00EST PM]i will be discussin shanksville on 'beyond the grassy knoll' if anyone is interested in tuning in.
albertchampion
as lousy a site as i have attempted to connect.

would have loved to hear you dom.

perhaps a transcript?
maturin42
Wally has a funeral home business and we were there because Wally is an old acquaintance of Representative Bob Bastian, the retiring state rep. from Somerset. It was pretty clear that had Bob not requested it, we probably would not have got the time of day from Wally. I am grateful to Bob (and to Wally) for being a man of his word. He professed genuine interest in the information that has not been explained by the official account.

Wally appeared to be stifling an impulse to kick us all out before we got started, in fact I thought he was doing that with his first words, but he was prefacing his interview by saying that he would not be commenting on what happened to the aircraft before the crash - which may have implied that he felt a shoot-down could not be ruled out, however, he did describe the attitude of the aircraft at impact- in a 90 degree bank, which, if memory serves, is at variance with both the FDR information and the crater. He calmed down quite a bit after that, and I thought he was relatively forthcoming.

When he was asked whether we could photograph some of the pictures (there was quite a stack of them) he became a bit exercised and implied that we wanted to photograph body parts and put them on the internet. Dom was quick to reassure him that we would do no such thing, but were interested in pictures that showed layout of the scene, wreckage, etc. One figure that stood out for me was (as I recall) that only 8% of the body parts were recovered, and one of our colleagues indicated that several of the photos seemed to be of the same parts, however all but four of the persons aboard were identified out of what had to be like human confetti. The identifications came via the FBI, intially by fingerprint and dental records, and later DNA and were the basis for the death certificates that Wally issued. Wally's part appeared to be primarily as the contact with the family members.

I, and the others who sat in, agree with Dom's assessment that Wally, while he may have been manipulated by the FBI, is sincere in his belief that the investigation of Shanksville and the ensuing account of the scene reflected reality. That still leaves plenty of room for questions, and I look forward to a contrast of the final attitude of the aircraft, as reflected by the FDR, and the impact angle described by Wally. I also look forward to Dom's follow-up with some hither-to unknown witnesses, as far as I know.

Hats off to Dom and to Craig and Aldo, who have to be - pound for pound - some of the most productive and tenacious investigators in the world. Great job, guys.
SFL
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
QUOTE (Turbofan @ Aug 3 2008, 11:46 PM) *
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hope you enjoyed!!

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rob balsamo
Great job guys... and thank you very much Shelton for the hard work in putting this all together, meeting with Bob.. and staying on top of it...

Yeah, the angle Wally describes conflict with govt data and his location for Indian Lake conflict with reality. wink.gif
Rickysa
QUOTE (maturin42 @ Aug 6 2008, 12:14 AM) *
One figure that stood out for me was (as I recall) that only 8% of the body parts were recovered, and one of our colleagues indicated that several of the photos seemed to be of the same parts, however all but four of the persons aboard were identified out of what had to be like human confetti.



Please forgive this uneducated question, but is it the norm for bodies to be essentially blown apart by aircraft accidents, even the most extreme?

What about the bodies recoverd from the low-fare airline that had a plane crash vertically at full speed into a swamp several years ago due to an explosion of oxygen containers? We're they "recovered" in the same state?

Rick
tnemelckram
Hi Rob!

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Yeah, the angle Wally describes conflict with govt data and his location for Indian Lake conflict with reality. wink.gif


I thought so too when I lisyened to Wally. Thanks for confirming it.
amazed!
How on earth is Wally supposed to know what attitude the aircraft was in? Was he there for the accident?

I found his narrative and body language to be dishonest. And I would like to know how, if body parts were found, there was no baggage scattered about?
maturin42
QUOTE (Rickysa @ Aug 4 2008, 01:33 PM) *
Please forgive this uneducated question, but is it the norm for bodies to be essentially blown apart by aircraft accidents, even the most extreme?

What about the bodies recoverd from the low-fare airline that had a plane crash vertically at full speed into a swamp several years ago due to an explosion of oxygen containers? We're they "recovered" in the same state?


It occurred to me that one reason for claiming extreme speeds for Flt 93 and 77 is to make it possible to argue that the aircraft and contents were pulverized to a degree not usually seen in this kind of crash. From the Pentagon accounts, several alleged that the engines sounded like they were essentially at idle until the aircraft leveled out below the navy annex. Experienced accident investigators would be the ones to address this. As with the buildings, the official argument maintains that previous failures to collapse are not relevant because these fires were so much hotter, given that these were fed with "Jet Fuel" (ooooooooh). That argument is absurd to anyone familiar with the properties of kerosene, who also realize that the fuel not consumed in the initial fireball, would have quickly burned out leaving only an office-furnishing-fueled conflagration. Wally made reference to 520 mph for the impact speed. That seems unlikely.
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
QUOTE (amazed! @ Aug 4 2008, 05:19 PM) *
How on earth is Wally supposed to know what attitude the aircraft was in?


the fbi told him. thumbdown.gif

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Was he there for the accident?


sure wasn't. but he gets real shook up when you put the words shot and down together. definitely 'doesn't want to talk about that'.....lol

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I found his narrative and body language to be dishonest. And I would like to know how, if body parts were found, there was no baggage scattered about?



considering the passengers of this plane boarded from the tarmac and the hijackers managed to get at least 1 gun on board are you open to the possibility that the plane really did have some sort of bomb already on board and that the reason this plane was shot down was because the passengers did make airphone calls and found out what was happening and a successful rebellion on that plane would have exposed the entire operation before noon that day?

just curious.....
Rickysa
QUOTE (maturin42 @ Aug 6 2008, 10:13 PM) *
It occurred to me that one reason for claiming extreme speeds for Flt 93 and 77 is to make it possible to argue that the aircraft and contents were pulverized to a degree not usually seen in this kind of crash.


The degree of "passenger fragmentation" noted has puzzled me from the start. I have an email into the DMORT of Section 4 regarding the id process of the remains from the ValuJet accident of May '96. Although it was a DC-9, it still went in nose first at full speed, and I am wondering if the remains are comparable to Shanksville?

Rick

PS In the round-about way I went to find out info on the Valujet crash, I happened to speak with the NTSB guy that was on site in Shanksville working with Wally. He was very helpful in telling me which agencys to contact etc., and I asked off-hand if he agreed with Wally's assessment, and boy did I get a "NO COMMENT".... rolleyes.gif
amazed!
Domenick

We are told this, that, and the other thing about this. It is a story that they used a movie to reinforce in the public's eye.

Whether it loaded on the tarmac or at a gate, I have no idea, and it does not seem particularly relevant in the big picture. I do know a man who knows a man, both airline captains, who were flying out of Newark at the time. That morning, when the captain checked in and headed to his airplane, there was NOBODY at the security checkpoint he went through. Naturally, he did not complain and proceeded to his plane. I think that was around 0730.

My opinion is that no Boeing crashed there at Shanksville, shot down or otherwise.
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
QUOTE (amazed! @ Aug 8 2008, 01:27 PM) *
Domenick

We are told this, that, and the other thing about this. It is a story that they used a movie to reinforce in the public's eye.

Whether it loaded on the tarmac or at a gate, I have no idea, and it does not seem particularly relevant in the big picture. I do know a man who knows a man, both airline captains, who were flying out of Newark at the time. That morning, when the captain checked in and headed to his airplane, there was NOBODY at the security checkpoint he went through. Naturally, he did not complain and proceeded to his plane. I think that was around 0730.

My opinion is that no Boeing crashed there at Shanksville, shot down or otherwise.


i respect your opinion but i highly disagree with it.

i believe the planes that struck the wtc were also equipped with some sort of explosive devices. i believe the shanksville plane was as well.

i believe this plane was intended for congress and that much like the south tower the american people were to see a plane crash in dc that morning just like they did in nyc.

i believe when the plane impacted that the bomb on board also exploded and that is the real reason for no large plane debris and the fact the plane never penetrated deeper than 6-8 feet into the ground.

i've spoken to bob blair, doug miller, and others who saw the plane we are told was flight 93 and i cant find anyone who saw it on the other side of the crash site flying away. so either the plane used some sort of invisibility cloaking device or blew up into nothing upon impact.

everyone tries to figure out how a 757 disappears but no one ever bothers to think that the plane was modified or equipped with any type of devices. to each their own.

when i find someone who can tell me they saw the plane flying away from the crash site i will naturally change my belief. but until that time i have no reason to doubt my current conclusion based on all the evidence available to me.

nobody saw the plane flying away. thats the bottom line for me. people saw a plane heading to point a and people on the other side of point a did not see a plane flying away from it.
richard cranium
QUOTE (SPreston @ Aug 3 2008, 04:20 PM) *
Yes, just great Domenick. cleanup.gif

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The crater was only 6 or 8 feet deep? Twenty feet wide? How do you fit 100 tons of aircraft into such a low volume area?
The alleged 37 passengers (including the alleged 4 'hijackers') and 7 crew members (44) with their seats would not fit into that area.
Where did the rest of the alleged 757 aircraft go? More Bush Regime magic?

<font size="3">Alleged Flt 93 Crash Site After Excavation</font>




<font size="3">The Flt 93 Crash Site Picture The First Day - Before Excavation</font> (Click me)

At the risk of sounding stupid,where is the pond in the photo in the second row,right side? The photo where the angle of the photo is somewhat from the pond side. Is the pond below the frame of the photo? Or is it dried up?
rc
by the way, I agree...great job Dominick! thumbsup.gif
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
QUOTE (richard cranium @ Aug 8 2008, 11:14 PM) *
At the risk of sounding stupid,where is the pond in the photo in the second row,right side? The photo where the angle of the photo is somewhat from the pond side. Is the pond below the frame of the photo? Or is it dried up?
rc
by the way, I agree...great job Dominick! thumbsup.gif


the pond has been drained in that picture and is not visible. the entire pond was drained during the recovery process.

thank you!! cheers.gif
amazed!
The pictures above are interesting. The impact zone is very small, and the burned trees also a small area.

I had a similar perspective to an F-16 crash here in Florida, and the area involved was 2 or 3 times that area, but the F-16 had been in level flight when the accident happened.
UnderTow
QUOTE (Domenick DiMaggio CIT @ Aug 11 2008, 12:58 AM) *
the pond has been drained in that picture and is not visible. the entire pond was drained during the recovery process.

thank you!! cheers.gif



I'm pretty sure I can see the water reflection in this picture of the pond.
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I believe he said one engine made it there, so take a line (straight or bouncy) and it would go along about the road/path way from crash site to the pond. Whether it skidded, bounced, or flew there?
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
QUOTE (UnderTow @ Aug 9 2008, 03:15 PM) *
I'm pretty sure I can see the water reflection in this picture of the pond.
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I believe he said one engine made it there, so take a line (straight or bouncy) and it would go along about the road/path way from crash site to the pond. Whether it skidded, bounced, or flew there?


we can eliminate it skidding there is no physical evidence supporting that.
bouncing is the official story. but it doesn't make sense that 1 engine and allegedly 2/3 of the plane get buried into the ground but the other one bounces off the ground instead of penetrating. there is no explanation for this. if the ground is so hard that an engine traveling at 500+MPH cannot penetrate it then 2/3 of the plane can't be 75 feet deep in a 8 foot deep hole.
so that pretty much leaves one option left....
amazed!
And what option is that Domenick?
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
QUOTE (amazed! @ Aug 11 2008, 06:29 PM) *
And what option is that Domenick?


where did the plane go?

is bob blair and doug miller and these other people who saw it heading there in the same position described by wally miller [wings vertical to the ground - not inverted] liars? government shills?

who saw it flying away?

the direction bob and doug saw the plane heading before the explosion would make it fly right over susan mcelwains head about a mile southwest of the crash site. but the plane bob and doug saw was never seen by susan and the plane susan saw was never seen by bob and doug.

now the layout of the area would make it so bob and doug couldn't see the white plane but there would be no way susan could miss the plane saw by bob and doug. bob and doug saw a huge military jet come over their heads shortly after arriving at the site which was about 2-5 minutes after event depending on the speed they drove. i have spoken with these people in depth more than once. these people have lived here all their lives..... i dont know, i believe the witnesses saw what they saw. i believe when these people tell their stories that they all contradict the official story. wally miller has the plane coming out of the northeast impacting the ground right wing first and sort of cartwheeling the front part of the plane into the woods. not exactly the inverted nose first over the scrapyard story[even though he insists it came over the scrapyard he never saw the plane]. susan mcelwain sees some small little white plane before the explosion. that plane is seen afterwards by rick chaney and another eyewitness who doesn't wish to speak publicly about it now but did then[lee purbaugh also saw it but i haven't spoke with him - robin doppstadt saw it but she won't talk about it - dale browning didn't see anything....]. if you go through the bob blair & doug miller see a plane heading there and they're north of the crash site. they said they saw more of the front of the plane than the back. looks like all these people who heard a plane fly over from the indian lake area towards the crash site [barry lichty, jim brandt, ohn fleegle, carol delasko, chris smith, val mcclatchey] are telling the truth. theres still more witnesses for me to talk to but going on everything i've learned in the last 2 years these are my beliefs. so how do i explain what happened to the plane? well it has to get blown up to disappear it didn't vanish in a 8 foot deep hole.

i dont understand the purpose to fake a phone call to westmoreland county 911 claiming to be a passneger on a hijacked plane and there having been some sort of explosion and white smoke filling up the plane. to trick people into not believing the official story?

i don't believe the fbi chopped peoples hands and feet off inside some hangar at cleveland airport and handed them over to wally miller so he could identify those people either. nor do i believe the human remains i saw photographed in photos dated 9/12 were planted overnight taken from some morgue or something.

so tell me what do you theorize happened to that plane and the passenger inside the bathroom calling westmoreland county 911 that morning since you don't believe it crashed there or anywhere near there?
albertchampion
just some comments....

for 37 years i have been dealing with issues of radio frequency suppression. and i would say that the bathrooms on commercial airliners are one of the perfect rf shielding devices ever created.

though i can accept the notion of anomalous behavior, i would say to a certainty of 99.9999999% that cell transmissions could neither escape for infiltrate any bathroom on any commercial airliner at any altitude, even circling a cell tower. in other words, virtually no cellphone communications could have been initiated, nor sustained, by/with any cellphone contained within a commercial airliner's bathroom.

and lastly, i think that the record has been established clearly that "eyewitnesses" can be extremely unreliable.

court proceedings throughout the usa confirm that unreliability of "eyewitnesses".

i don't pretend to know all that happened at this "collision with terrain" site. there are many oddities about this site[as there are concerning all the "collision with terrain" sites of that day].

and i don't think that you have enough of the answers. it troubles me profoundly that you think a cellphone conversation could be conducted from within a commercial airliner bathroom.
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
QUOTE (albertchampion @ Aug 11 2008, 11:30 PM) *
just some comments....

for 37 years i have been dealing with issues of radio frequency suppression. and i would say that the bathrooms on commercial airliners are one of the perfect rf shielding devices ever created.

though i can accept the notion of anomalous behavior, i would say to a certainty of 99.9999999% that cell transmissions could neither escape for infiltrate any bathroom on any commercial airliner at any altitude, even circling a cell tower. in other words, virtually no cellphone communications could have been initiated, nor sustained, by/with any cellphone contained within a commercial airliner's bathroom.

and lastly, i think that the record has been established clearly that "eyewitnesses" can be extremely unreliable.

court proceedings throughout the usa confirm that unreliability of "eyewitnesses".

i don't pretend to know all that happened at this "collision with terrain" site. there are many oddities about this site[as there are concerning all the "collision with terrain" sites of that day].

and i don't think that you have enough of the answers. it troubles me profoundly that you think a cellphone conversation could be conducted from within a commercial airliner bathroom.



below 2000 feet when the call was made and he was peeking out of the bathroom so its not like he was locked inside of it with the door shut.

so now ed felts phone call to 911 talking about an explosion and white smoke inside the plane was faked by the fbi. ok, theorize why for me......

and if eyewitnesses are so unreliable then i suppose a plane hit the pentagon after all.......
rob balsamo
QUOTE (Domenick DiMaggio CIT @ Aug 13 2008, 08:40 PM) *
below 2000 feet when the call was made...



Dom, do you have a solid (or incriminating in case of govt) source that Ed Felts phone call was initiated "below 2000 feet"?

If so, i think you know where im going with this.... wink.gif
albertchampion
i know something about the behavior of cellphones in commercial aircraft flying linearly, at cruising speeds, at many altitudes.

i have posted most of my cellphone excursions from commercial aircraft on this site. you can look them up.

most of my evidence has been generated from the first class cabin. from window and aisle seats.

as i have noted here, window seat gets much better connectability than aisle seat. but, without exception, flying out of well cell towered metro houston[iah], from a first class window seat, i always lose cell connection, on climb-out at less than 500ft according to my personal altimeter.

flying into lax, over another major metropolitan area, with many cell towers, descending from palm springs[10,000 ft], in a first class window seat, i can make no cell connection until crossing the 405 on final[i.e., virtually on the ground].

i know this shanksville area very well concerning cell phone tower coverage. it is one of the worst areas for coverage that i know of. that is true today. that was more the case in september, 2001.

and it doesn't matter if the bathroom door was ajar[quite unimaginable]. that area of that aircraft is as rf-screened as to to make it tantamount to a fully-closed door.

lastly, i don't need any witnesses to inform me about the purported "collision with terrain" at the pentagram. i have eyeballs, i have a brain, and i have a knowledge of metallurgy.

the photos of the "collision with terrain" site tell me that no commercial airliner was involved in that impact.

the "official" story that all of the "colliding" aircraft vaporized is all i need to know that the usg was lying.

the "official" story that passenger remains were recovered[then identified] from an aircraft that vaporized has always informed me that the "official" story was/is a crock of sh*t.

in that arena of exquisitely egregious prevarications, i don't need any witnesses to clarify my analysis.

AA77 DID NOT COLLIDE WITH THE PENTAGRAM. NOR DID ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL AIRLINER.
albertchampion
apparently, very few[including rob balsamo] have paid attention to what i have related concerning cellphone communications.

initiating such a connection, sustaining such a connection, has nothing to do with altitude.

it has everything to do with speed.

for a cellphone connection to be made, maintained, it requires that the phone be within "handshaking" range of a cell tower[s].

discarding altitude issues, now, cell towers have been constructed for land telephony, with the individual cellphone traveling at less than 100mph.

from an aircraft, traveling in excess of that speed[consider +400nauts per hour], there is no way that a cellphone connection can be made, sustained.

and that is the problem with any assertions that cellphone conversations were conducted that day. technologically, they just could not have happened.

so, when dom attempts to assert that any cellphone communication was made, sustained from 93, he informs me that he is just another disinformation agent.

cellphone technology in september 2001 was benchmarked. by the cellphone industry.

no cell phone conversations were made, sustained on that day.

and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is a fraud.
maturin42
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so, when dom attempts to assert that any cellphone communication was made, sustained from 93, he informs me that he is just another disinformation agent.

I don't know who does more damage - those who make absolute statements saying this or that could not or definitely did happen, despite accounts that are all over the map, or those who have an strongly held opinion for reasons they believe are good and sufficient but then accuse others who have different opinions, and good reasons for holding them of being disinfo agents.

Can we present our views and support them and leave the accusations of bad faith and disinfo to the the govt loyalist site gang?

It does nothing to bolster your case... nothing at all.
UnderTow
albert got a bit of rant there, yes sir. smile.gif

Anywho, I think it was pretty established that no communications of any kind came from any of the planes.

At least after all the crack hijackers went into action jackson mode and ho'd up da everyone with a few quick moves before ANY DISTRESS SIGNAL could be sent.

Stories about cell phones on planes are amusing but pure fantasy, imvho.
albertchampion
doesn't cut it.

2001 cell phone technology cannot be altered to suit dom's argument.

it might please you to be warm and fuzzy concerning this issue, but, the reality of cell phone technology cannot be altered.

no cell phone calls could have been made and sustained from 93. let alone from inside a bathroom. even with the door ajara. over and out. and anyone who claims otherwise is a prevaricator.

i am going to go further. for many years i have functioned as a forensic metallurgist. i examine failure evidence. i talk to the individuals on the site where the failure[s] occurred.

the interesting aspects of my inquiries: no individual has ever related a story, as a witness, that corroborated the metallurgical evidence.

individuals lie. for innumerable reasons.

as to dom. i had no arguments with is research and conclusions until he made the assertion that ed felt's cell phone communications had be to be valid.

technically, those cell communications could not have occurred.

so, when dom uses them as a bulwark for his analysis, i am compelled to question the entirety of his argument.

and you know, you don't have to like what i have to say. but, in my assessment, when anyone uses cell phone communications from aircraft on that day as a prop for their analysis, knowing what i know about cell phones, that raises a very red flag concerning the veracity of that individual.

finally, if you can tell me where i get cell phones inaccurately, lay it on me.

no one has done it yet. perhaps you will be the man.

never forget, you must resolve the issue of aircraft speed. and handshaking.

if you cannot do that. tell us that you cannot do that and slink off.
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Aug 12 2008, 12:29 AM) *
Dom, do you have a solid (or incriminating in case of govt) source that Ed Felts phone call was initiated "below 2000 feet"?

If so, i think you know where im going with this.... wink.gif



i know gag orders were placed on shaw & cramer.

i know the fdr data definitely conflicts with the blast trajectory indication of impact and wally millers description as given to him by the fbi which is more consistent with the blast trajectory an indicates a plane coming from the east/slight northeast flying southwesternly towards the crash site. bob and doug saying they saw more of the front than the back of the plane from their position north of the crash site on route 30 also would conflict greatly with the data.

and many eyewitnesses [who i still haven't confirmed yet] are reported as seeing this plane at much lower altitudes than the fdr data would indicate.

i am looking into filing an FOIA request for felt's 78second phone call to 911 and all the calls from indian lake that morning. maybe you can give me some tips? lol

i don't understand the purpose of faking a phone call to conflict with the official story. if someone can rationalize this for me my mind is open and im all ears.
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
QUOTE (albertchampion @ Aug 12 2008, 01:09 AM) *
i know this shanksville area very well concerning cell phone tower coverage. it is one of the worst areas for coverage that i know of. that is true today. that was more the case in september, 2001.


well that is true but 8 minutes before the impact was the plane hovering above shanksville at a high altitude?

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and it doesn't matter if the bathroom door was ajar[quite unimaginable]. that area of that aircraft is as rf-screened as to to make it tantamount to a fully-closed door.



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lastly, i don't need any witnesses to inform me about the purported "collision with terrain" at the pentagram. i have eyeballs, i have a brain, and i have a knowledge of metallurgy.


ok well you don't believe a plane hit the pentagon. good neither do i. the eyewitness accounts prove the official flight path and thus the official story to be a fabrication.

ok you don't believe a plane impacted in shanksville. so what happened to the plane bob blair and doug miller saw that susan mcelwain didn't see that was between them?

you know i don't see any real airplane debris recovered from the towers either. i guess planes didn't hit those as well, huh?


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in that arena of exquisitely egregious prevarications, i don't need any witnesses to clarify my analysis.


well your "analysis" doesn't seem to be getting any closer to a new investigation and exposing the cover up so while you sit around analyizing the 12 pictures at your disposal from shanksville i'll go to wally millers office and look at hundreds of them and visit the people who were there that day and saw what happened. there weren't too many planes flying over shanksville on 9/11 and definitely not too many flying at a very low altitude so if someone says they saw a plane at point a they most likely did.

but i'll continue to go out there and meet people and talk to people and call people and film people and email people and when it's all said and done you can provide your expert "analysis" on to me and explain it to me because obviously my analysis of the data i have collected [probably a lot of which you don't even know about] has failed according to you.
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
QUOTE (albertchampion @ Aug 12 2008, 02:30 AM) *
so, when dom attempts to assert that any cellphone communication was made, sustained from 93, he informs me that he is just another disinformation agent.

and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is a fraud.



oh you got me. i guess i should go back under the rock i climbed out of. and to think of all the money i could have said if only you would have exposed me long ago as i have always stated i believed ed felts call was a legitimate phone call.

i believe only 2 cell phone calls were made on flight 93 and they both coincidentally enough seemed to occur around 9:58 am. everything else was an airphone according to the evidence available.

but hey im just pushing disinfo. go look at all the disinfo i've been pushing since i released susan mcelwain's interview. and now wally miller has given me more data conflicting with the government story that i can use to continue on with my disinformation campaign.

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Domenick DiMaggio CIT
QUOTE (albertchampion @ Aug 12 2008, 03:48 AM) *
so, when dom uses them as a bulwark for his analysis, i am compelled to question the entirety of his argument.



ed felt's phone call is one tiny piece of a much larger puzzle.

you're free to remove it from the equation.

it will not change the answer when all the evidence is presented. remember i am 1 man supporting a disabled wife and 2 children off my pay. this whole thing would have been blown open a long time ago and could be blown wide open tomorrow if i had the funds to drop these hundred+ dollar trips down the turnpike more often then i am financially available to. but i have spoke to many witnesses and a lot have agreed to participate in this. i haven't discussed them because i don't want to jeopardize my investigation by tipping off the enemies of truth because i believe video is way more powerful than audio and as i said a lot of the witnesses in the printed media have agreed to do with me exactly what susan mcelwain did.

so i am doing what i can. you're free to call me disinfo because i believe ed felt really did make a phone call. and i think there really were some crazed hijackers on the plane [mkultra?] who were armed with guns and took control of the plane and that the plane was boarded from the tarmac because it had an explosive device of some type aboard. i also believe it was headed for congress and was intended to be caught on multiple cameras just like the south tower attack was for that added bit of shock and awe. so if these airphone calls are real and the 1 or 2 cell phone calls are real then a successful passenger revolt would have blown 9/11 wide open by noon that day. that is my opinion. you can call me disinfo it won't shake me i've been called worse. i don't care to argue about planes and no planes with people. i have better things to do like gather as much evidence as i can to make a presentation that the bush administration, faa, 9/11 commission, and others corroborated together to lie to the american people and con them into a bullshit war. thats what i would rather do than argue plane/no plane.
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
anyways to put this back on topic anyone find anything interesting in wally's interview?
amazed!
I agree with Maturin--charges of being a disinfo agent should be the charge of last resort and only after ample evidence to support.

In Dom's case, that ain't so.

It appears to me that he has spent alot of time interviewing witnesses and studying the events of the day, and place, in his case.

He might not understand the precise technology of cell phones and towers, but that does not make him the enemy.

It seems to me that if there really were a 757 at Shanksville, underground or otherwise, the government would have gathered it up and shown it to the public, just like it did TWA 800. My hunch is that no Boeing scraps were produced because there were none. The whole damn thing was sleight-of-hand, and I fell for it hook, line & sinker for 4 years.

Instead, they had to have one of their minions make up some silly TV movie, Let's Roll. What bullshit.
maturin42
Amazed makes a great point. Dom has spent considerable time and money on the ground around Shanksville talking to real people, getting their story, and weighing what they tell him, and trying to make a coherent narrative that makes sense. He rattles off names of local witnesses that you have likely not heard of, and he knows their stories. Many, if not most, of us have to rely on information that is on youtube, presented by others, or second hand through books - all perfectly valid way of getting information, but youtubes have a point of view. When you are exposed to Wally's first line that we can all recite, "I stopped being a coroner 20 minutes after I got there - there were no bodies". If that is all you know about Wally, he becomes a cartoon figure. Meeting the guy in person and listening to him talk is another thing entirely.

There is another aspect of 9/11 we should all keep in mind. Almost nothing that we know about events makes a lot of sense. Aircraft that leave so little trace of themselves that you suspect they didn't exist. Parts that seem to have come from some other machine than we were told. People who seem to be dedicated to sowing discord and bad information, and other crucial witnesses or participants who have dummied up completely. Then we have the defenders of the OCT who will say black is white, day is night, and wet is dry in order to preserve some semblance of credibility for a totally incredible account for those with any depth of knowledge. This is all made possible by the mountains of evidence that has been disappeared and sequestered by the government, and the patently obvious truth that they have sought from the beginning to avoid a true forensic examination of physical evidence. The lack of positive ID on the aircraft, and the failure of NIST to test for explosive residue are just two examples.

Let's reserve our outrage and condemnation for those who make it possible for the perps to show their faces in public and not get hauled before a grand jury, and support those who are working to dig out the facts.
Omega892R09
QUOTE (Domenick DiMaggio CIT @ Aug 8 2008, 10:31 PM) *
i believe when the plane impacted that the bomb on board also exploded and that is the real reason for no large plane debris and the fact the plane never penetrated deeper than 6-8 feet into the ground.

Hum! That statement does not hold up.

I have seen a photo' from WW2 taken in London after one of Hitler's V weapons (not sure now if it was V1 or V2 - the latter I think) had landed and the hole was considerably deaper than 8 feet - it swallowed a double decker bus for fcuk sake!

Even when aircraft ground impacts include the explosion of a bomb pieces of wing tip and tail are blown clear.

I respect you for the other work you have done which has advanced the cause considerably so don't destroy your credibility by making statements about things that you appear to have faulty concepts about.
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
everyone is free to tell me how wrong i am thats fine.

but i have an idea. instead of telling me that im wrong how about you tell me what happened to the plane bob blair and doug miller saw that was heading towards the site that susan mcelwain didnt see on the other side of the site........???

see i have a vanishing airplane that i have to account for that i can't seem to find anyone who saw it flying away.......no one anywhere.

so anyone got a tip i can follow up on since it seems alot of people don't believe there was a plane?

unless people want to start calling these lifetime resident eyewitnesses liars we still have an airplane to account for. one flying southwest directly towards susan mcelwain but she never sees so its safe to say it didn't make it as far as her or over her.

im open to ideas let's hear some.
amazed!
Dom

In and of itself, the apparent fact that nobody saw one fly away proves nothing. It is still possible that one flew away, but nobody saw it.

Of late, I have taken the position that if indeed 93 crashed there and was completely underground with its passengers and baggage and engines and landing gear, then in order to show they are telling the truth, the government would have reassembled the damn thing like they did TWA 800, and plastered pictures everywhere they could. That simple action would have vindicated their story in the eyes of the public.

Instead they claim to have carted off the wreckage to Iron Mountain, never to be seen by anybody, and commissioned a silly TV movie about what happened.

I don't buy it.
maturin42
QUOTE (Rickysa @ Aug 4 2008, 01:33 PM) *
Please forgive this uneducated question, but is it the norm for bodies to be essentially blown apart by aircraft accidents, even the most extreme?

What about the bodies recoverd from the low-fare airline that had a plane crash vertically at full speed into a swamp several years ago due to an explosion of oxygen containers? We're they "recovered" in the same state?

Rick


Valujet Airlines Flight 592 is probably the flight you are referring to . It crashed in the Everglades May 11, 1996 at high speed. I just scanned the NTSB report and could find no description of the remains http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/1997/AAR9706.pdf
It was in 1.5' of water over a layer of muck, over limestone bedrock and it describes the bedrock as "shattering the aircraft", so I expect the bodies would not have fared very well.

Clips and stills of the apparent crater are http://www.efootage.com/view_clip.php?clip_id=13231

http://www.p2pconsortium.com/lofiversion/i....php/t5754.html is an account by a diver who worked on the crash site. He described the body parts as "few and far between", and almost all were skeletal, the largest being a part of a femur.
This account is ghoulishly fascinating to read.
dMz
Not to be morbid regarding the Valujet crash, but I would expect the crocodilian, crustacean, and other wildlife "crime scene investigators" to have a rather accelerated adverse effect upon passenger remains in the Everglades as well.

I knew a person whose body was dumped in the Southern US "woods" and animal activity required dental identification of the body after a few days. It was a closed casket funeral, and the cause of death was believed to be a gunshot, not a plane crash.
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