Hi folks, I personally don't believe man has ever walked on the moon and i hope most of you felthe same way based on the photographic evidence, common sense and logic. I have one thing that's been bothering me though, I'm an avid listener of Alex Jones and I appreciate him exposing corruption and bringing to light unclassified documents and such. I have recently learned that he believes in the first man on the moon hoax. can anyone elaborate or have any information on this? I find this weird especially since he's suppose to be well informed. I'd appreciate any help in this matter. Thanks in advance guys.

Sorry I posted in the wrong section, it won't happen again..peace to all

Welcome, davrod610

I think I'll have to move this to the Alternate theories forum - don't get me wrong, I've seen a lot of stuff that makes me very suspicious, don't get me wrong, but this topic still falls under the category of 'alternate theories' I think.

Cheers -

The last think we need Alex caught up in is a fake Lunar landing...what does it matter?

I suppose anything is possible.


I have seen some suspicious looking footage (namely one with an astronaut walking and stort of falling a bit and it does look like he's being held up by some sort of wire due to the apparent reactio).

There is some allegedly fake footage that is easily disputed (flag sticking out is because of the pole holding out the flag).

One thing to consider is that, from what I've read, the Societs tracked the journey carefully and I would think if they saw anything strange( um, like... oh ,say.....'not getting to the moon'!), they would have had that reported so fast (unless they were in on it as a puppet of the igher-ups ;-) )


The one idea that sticks in my head as interesting. I heard one interview where the person said someone said (someone said someone said someone said ... so it's reliable ;-) ) they heard Armstong say when they got to the Moon, there were alien space vehicles lined up on the horizon watching.

The theory goes that the presence of aliens there was known before the mission and some faked moon footage was shot so that it could be used rather than show real footage that showed alien space vehicles.


I really don't know what the truth is though

I've seen that too. That clip is right from the NASA server. That convinced me beyond any doubt that at least SOME of the moon-walks were bogus. That 'n 75 cents 'll buy you a cup of coffee (actually, I live in Japan where a cup of coffee is 3 dollars - I have no idea what a cup costs now in the states. )

It still doesn't fall into the category of solid proof that can't be rebuked, so it is, as FM pointed out, sort of irrelevant.

Hey, those of us that know that the Gov is a puppet show &, that they constantly lie and try and form reality around their own agenda, know it. Those that don't, don't. The rabbit hole is deep - too deep. It's so deep that when the average person gets a glimpse they immediately turn away and return to their safe, secure and comfortable life. I was gonna say, you almost can't blame them, but some of the success of 9/11 has to be pinned on the gullibility of so many who simply aren't paying attention.

Arrggghhh.

Thank you all for the comments, I know it's not that important right now with what's happening in the world I'll try to make my next topic more on important subject matter. Thanks again and sorry FM

Your not gonna cry are you?

I became suspicious of AJ when I saw that William Cooper/Hour of the Time predicted 911 two months or so before Alex's prediction. Coincidentally, in almost the same words.

The possibility exists that fake 911 truth sites and fake truth speakers exist to round up the names of dissidents. Alex Jones may continue to inveigh against the government while his followers, whose names have been garnered from the internet, rot (or worse) in FEMA camps.

I do not trust AJ. I was banned from PP forum for merely suggesting that we might examine the fact that airplanes can't fly through buildings.

FM258 -

We all make mistakes. You are is abbreviated as 'you're'. Your is the possessive of 'you'.

I personally don't trust NASA as far as I can throw a Saturn V Launch Vehicle.

http://www.nasm.si.edu/collections/imagery...llo/saturnV.htm

Please keep in mind- I have personally worked on equipment that They^TM told me is now on Mars [or so I/we have been told...]

I don't have a problem believing that Moon walks occurred either, although I wouldn't be confident to place bets on when, how often, on which missions they happened and how many times they went wrong.

Rather my question would be what were they really up to?

The "space race" was a nice story to tell children and the congress but what was the real objective?

It just needs somebody to hide a mobile phone in there somewhere...if you can dial it latter, you know there is definitely something wrong :-)

I've seen a couple of interesting questions posed about the alleged Apollo Moon missions.

Why is there no picture of a suited astronought in the doorway of the Lunar Module?

Where and how were the two astronoughts strapped in to the Lunar Module for the blast-off from the Moon's surface? What were they holding on to?

Where did the astronoughts sleep/rest inside the Lunar Module? Where is the storage space for their space suits?

I've not researched much about the Apollo missions so I don't have the answers. I wouldn't be surprised if it was all a scripted production.

John Lear has more interesting ideas, check his stuff out.

I got a little problem with air on the moon,
the stars don't show any refraction as they are being eclipsed,
by it.

cheers, lunk

"I got a little problem with air on the moon,
the stars don't show any refraction as they are being eclipsed"
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Good point. I also think that's true

During occultations (note the word 'occult' = hidden ... usually when the Moon goes in front of a star or planet), any lunar atmosphere could be deteced as gradual (even over a split second if the atmosphere is thin and close to the surface) lessening of brightness of the star as it neared the lunar edge.

From what I've heard (although I've never looked into this subject thoroughly), there is sudden disappearance and reappearance of stars duing lunar occultations. This is the official astronomical view on this.

Some might say that information is covered up and distorted for some reason but it's the type of observation a backyard 'amatuer' astronomer (using the word 'amatuer' in it's original meaning of engaging in an activity for pleasure and not denoting 'novice' which is how the word has become) with a some affordable quipment could record and investigate the occultations.

why, dMole, i am positively shocked..shocked i tell you. as one of the gov't alphabet soup agencies, aren't they beyond reproach?

mrodway
I don't have a problem believing that Moon walks occurred either, although I wouldn't be confident to place bets on when, how often, on which missions they happened and how many times they went wrong.

Rather my question would be what were they really up to?

The "space race" was a nice story to tell children and the congress but what was the real objective?

More or less my conclusions.

Wonder if the "space race" has anything to do with the murder of John F. Kennedy and if the
death of 3 astronauts at Cape Kennedy on Jan 27th, 1967 was really an accident or more from murder inc.

I met Jim Irwin once and immediately asked "what did you see on the moon - what was there" ?
I can't remember exactly how I phrased the question but he gave me a slightly puzzled look, smiled and
said (not verbatim) it was something like the desert and when he looked at the earth he felt the presence
of a higher power. He was very gracious, genuine and kind. The first time I heard about the moon hoax theory I dismissed it as ridiculous, now I'm not so sure. I've read rumors that Mr. Irwin once told someone
"look, I've got a family to take care of...." when declining to expose "the truth".

My biggest question is just how much are us earthlings manipulated - how vast is this whole matrix and what has really been stolen from us and why ?

This comment can only come from a juvenile. Go play with your crayons. What makes you think I'm offended to the point of crying, or is that your attempt in humor? OK I'll bite...lol that was funny!!!

You bring up some good points and yes those accidents were highly suspicious and why lie? Maybe to outbeat the Russians and thus continue to get funding? Maybe?

There was this news that appeared all over the mainstream media that has completely disappeared, and I'm sorry I did not keep some record of it, on one of the shuttle mission they went to a record hight of 350 miles above the earth, at this point the radiation became so bad the the astronauts became ill and had to make an emergency landing. The thing is the van halen radiation belt that surrounds the earth really starts to kick in at 500 miles above earth surface, how could the Apollo astronauts have survived passing through this radiation belt twice ! Another thing is the shuttles are shielded against radiation the Apollo spacecrafts were not...

That would be the van Allen belts, there are two levels of such belts around the earth and also similar belts around other planets. The Pioneer 10 space probe very nearly had its electronics crippled when passing through stronger such belts around Saturn.

The Apollo astronauts would have passed quickly through the belts around earth whereas the Space Shuttle orbits at around 270 km. Orbiting within the range of the belts is of course a bad idea although the Mir space station was out at about 360 km.

"Many Apollo astronauts have long since died, as to have many of the original NASA officials involved in the scam, consequently current officials, who know that Apollo was a fake, have not quite got it right when talking openly in public. Perhaps the biggest slip of the tongue was made by NASA Chief Dan Goldin when interviewed by UK TV journalist Sheena McDonald in 1994. He said that mankind cannot venture beyond Earth orbit, 250 miles into space, until they can find a way to overcome the dangers of cosmic radiation. He must have forgot that they supposedly sent 27 astronauts 250,000 miles outside Earth orbit 26 years earlier."

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Van Allen belts: I am under the impression that those are mostly compose of 'Proton Radiation'. Yes?


If you want some more alternative reading as to what really happened on the Apollo missions, just google 'Richard Hoagland' and the word 'enterprise'.

It seems that Armstrong may not have been the first human to walk on the moon, he was just the first return visitor.

Here is a nice anecdote that was in the news papers all over Europe but may be not in US.


In october 1969 the US-ambassador in the Netherlands, William Middendorf, gave a stone from "the surface of the moon" to the president Willem Dreesman while the Apollo-11 astronauts visited the Netherlands. Some scientists in Amsterdam now analyzed that "official" stone. They found fossil wood from the earth. Now the Rijksmuseum want to show it as curiosity.
http://www.simplyamsterdam.nl/news/Rijksmu..._moon_stone.htm

I have just noticed this story on the BBC News site:

Spacecraft see 'damp' Moon soils

I find this para' interesting:



Now would one not think that those bright folk at NASA would have included tools to test for moisture whilst the missions were on the surface. After all how many visits were supposedly made?

Fake Skin Flying on Moon Probe to Study Radiation
Discovery News

June 19, 2009 -- NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO), which blasted off for the moon on Thursday, will not only scout out safe spots for astronauts to land, it will let them know how the harsh radioactive environment might impact their bodies.

LRO is carrying patches of fake human tissue that will help NASA assess radiation risks to future crews and develop countermeasures.

more... http://dsc.discovery.com

It's odd that radiation levels were not a serious concern with any of the Apollo missions, and they did not bother to measure the radiation levels when they were supposedly on the moon.

If you are really interested in What Really went on with the Apollo moon missions, then get the NY Times Best Seller by Richard Hoagland, Dark Mission.

Hoagland presents a well documented theory as to what the truth behind the Apollo missions really was, complete with pictures and photo analysis of what was found.

Teaser and spoiler alert:

The true purpose of the moon missions was to investigate ancient ruins of glass dome structures on the moon. The remnants of a previous technological civilization of mankind.

Lots of Occult discussion in the book, along with Hyperdimensional physics and the war inside of NASA between, as Hoagland calls them: The Masons, the Nazis and the Magicians.

Happy reading

I read Dark Mission ~year ago, and it's a good read.

well, i think that in some earlier posts i discussed my intersection with that great reptillian gangster john king[king resources]. who always had wally schirra and alan carpenter hanging around as his sycophants.

the damndest things during my intersection with king was his photos on his penthouse office in denver of astros playing around on the mogollan plateau. in space suites. with lunar landers. the complete kit.

was it all a scam? probably.

king was eventually indicted and prosecuted for monstrous financial fraud. would that inform you that his relationship to the astros was also part of a fraud?

should.

so many illusions.

if you can, go find the originals in rolling stone of the RIGHT STUFF. see the differences in the book. and the movie.