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hiram
Charles Freeman has withdrawn from chair of The National Intelligence Council due to attacks of the Israel (or Sionist) lobby, see article in the Financial Times :

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1236728479...=googlenews_wsj

The Wikipedia article on Ch Freeman is :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_W._Freeman.

where he is quoted on 9/11 as saying :"if we bomb people, they bomb back", pretty rare for such an old gov. hand.

hiram
Omega892R09
QUOTE (hiram @ Mar 25 2009, 01:42 PM) *
Charles Freeman has withdrawn from chair of The National Intelligence Council due to attacks of the Israel (or Sionist) lobby, see article in the Financial Times :

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123672847973688515.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

The Wikipedia article on Ch Freeman is :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_W._Freeman,_Jr.

where he is quoted on 9/11 as saying :"if we bomb people, they bomb back", pretty rare for such an old gov. hand.

hiram

Your links are broken.
painter
From first link above:

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The libels on me and their easily traceable email trails show conclusively that there is a powerful lobby determined to prevent any view other than its own from being aired, still less to factor in American understanding of trends and events in the Middle East. The tactics of the Israel Lobby plumb the depths of dishonor and indecency and include character assassination, selective misquotation, the willful distortion of the record, the fabrication of falsehoods, and an utter disregard for the truth. The aim of this Lobby is control of the policy process through the exercise of a veto over the appointment of people who dispute the wisdom of its views, the substitution of political correctness for analysis, and the exclusion of any and all options for decision by Americans and our government other than those that it favors.

There is a special irony in having been accused of improper regard for the opinions of foreign governments and societies by a group so clearly intent on enforcing adherence to the policies of a foreign government – in this case, the government of Israel. I believe that the inability of the American public to discuss, or the government to consider, any option for US policies in the Middle East opposed by the ruling faction in Israeli politics has allowed that faction to adopt and sustain policies that ultimately threaten the existence of the state of Israel. It is not permitted for anyone in the United States to say so. This is not just a tragedy for Israelis and their neighbors in the Middle East; it is doing widening damage to the national security of the United States.
hiram
To Painter

Thanks for your kind help

Hiram
billsmith
A little after the 1:20 minute mark in this video they say that the FBI cinfirmed that the Israelis we know as 'the dancing Israelis' were filming the WTC BEFORE the first plane struck.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=48...06054&hl=en 1:20 mark
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If you combine the above information with what theIsraeli in the talk show at the end of this clip says what is your conclusion ? Or is it an inescapable conclusion ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw here 'to document 9/11'
billsmith
QUOTE (billsmith @ Apr 5 2009, 02:35 PM) *
A little after the 1:20 minute mark in this video they say that the FBI cinfirmed that the Israelis we know as 'the dancing Israelis' were filming the WTC BEFORE the first plane struck.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=48...06054&hl=en 1:20 mark
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If you combine the above information with what theIsraeli in the talk show at the end of this clip says what is your conclusion ? Or is it an inescapable conclusion ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw here 'to document 9/11'



Oops....I meant at the one HOUR 20 minute mark. Thus 1:20:00
dMz
[These articles appear to be "disappearing" quickly- archiving below]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...9050101310.html

U.S. Drops Case Against Ex-Lobbyists

Former AIPAC Employees Faced Espionage Charges

By Jerry Markon
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, May 2, 2009

Federal prosecutors yesterday abandoned an espionage-law case against two former lobbyists for a pro-Israel advocacy group, a case that had transfixed much of official Washington because of its potential to criminalize the exchange of sensitive information among journalists, lobbyists and policy analysts.

In asking a judge to dismiss charges against Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman, formerly of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, officials said recent court rulings had changed the legal landscape and made it unlikely that they would win.

Prosecutors and investigators had used FBI wiretaps to pursue Rosen and Weissman for at least five years, building a complex case that involved secret court hearings and dozens of legal filings and rulings. The two men were charged in 2005 with conspiring to obtain classified information -- about topics including al-Qaeda and U.S. forces in Iraq -- and pass it to the Israeli government and journalists from The Washington Post and other news organizations.

Rosen and Weissman were the first civilians not employed by the government charged under the 1917 espionage statute.

"Thank God we live in a country where you can defend yourself against an injustice like this," Rosen, 66, said yesterday. He said the case was politicized and pushed by government officials "who have an obsession with leaks . . . and an obsession with Israel and the theory that it spies on America."

The case was not a total loss for the government. A former Pentagon analyst, Lawrence A. Franklin, pleaded guilty in 2005 to passing government secrets to Rosen and Weissman. He was sentenced to more than 12 years in prison.

Lawyers for Rosen and Weissman attributed the withdrawal of the case in part to the Obama administration. "We are extremely grateful that this new Administration . . . has taken seriously their obligation to evaluate cases on the merits," the lawyers, Abbe D. Lowell, John Nassikas and Baruch Weiss, said in a statement.

But David Szady, who was the FBI's assistant director for counterintelligence when the case was brought, said politics was not a factor in the decisions to file charges or to withdraw them. "If you commit espionage against the United States, the FBI has an obligation to investigate that, regardless of the political fires around it, and we're blind to whatever country may be involved," Szady said.

Recent pretrial rulings made the case difficult for the government, including an appeals court ruling that allowed the defense to use "national defense information" at trial. A lower-court judge also said prosecutors must show that the two men knew that the information they allegedly disclosed would harm the United States or help a foreign government -- a high burden for prosecutors.

Dana J. Boente, the acting U.S. attorney in Alexandria, where the trial was set to begin June 2, said prosecutors reversed course because of "the diminished likelihood the government will prevail at trial . . . and the inevitable disclosure of classified information that would occur." Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. was aware of the discussions, law enforcement sources said, adding that the ultimate decision was made by prosecutors.

Officials said FBI agents opposed the decision, believing they had a strong case. Joseph Persichini Jr., assistant director in charge of the FBI's Washington field office, said yesterday that the case's end was "disappointing," but he commended the work of the agents.

The decision to drop the case was welcomed by AIPAC, long an influential presence in Washington because of its close ties to policymakers, think tanks and lawmakers. The group had distanced itself from Rosen and Weissman, formally firing them in 2005, but spokesman Patrick Dorton yesterday called the decision "a great day" for the defendants and their families.

AIPAC's critics had seized on the allegations against the two lobbyists as fresh evidence that the group had aligned itself so closely with the Israeli government that it was acting on that country's behalf. Supporters of the group said they were mystified by the case, noting that collecting information from government officials and sharing it with others, including governments with embassies in Washington, is a highly profitable local business.

The outcome left wider opinions about AIPAC and its influence largely unchanged. Jon B. Alterman, director of the Middle East program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said he had never found the case to be particularly revealing about AIPAC. "I thought it was an unusual action by the government," he said.

Gary Wasserman, a professor of government at Georgetown University who is writing a book about the case, said he was not surprised that AIPAC was pleased by the proposed dismissal. A trial, he added, "would have provoked a lot of public discussion about how they worked."

Staff reporters R. Jeffrey Smith and Carrie Johnson and research editor Alice Crites contributed to this report.
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See also:

http://whitewraithe.wordpress.com/2009/05/...aipac-staffers/
dMz
http://jta.org/news/article/2009/05/01/100...taffers-dropped

Government moves to dismiss AIPAC case
By Ron Kampeas · May 1, 2009

WASHINGTON (JTA) -- Prosecutors asked a judge to drop charges against two ex-AIPAC staffers accused of passing along classified information.

In a statement Friday, the acting U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia said restrictions on the government's case imposed by Judge T.S. Ellis III made conviction unlikely.

"Given the diminished likelihood the government will prevail at trial under the additional intent requirements imposed by the court and the inevitable disclosure of classified information that would occur at any trial in this matter, we have asked the court to dismiss the indictment," Dana Boente said.

The motion all but guarantees a dismissal.

"Intent requirements" refers to an earlier Ellis ruling that the government must prove that Keith Weissman, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee's former Iran analyst, and Steve Rosen, its former foreign policy chief, intended not only to assist Israel but to harm the United States.

Weissman and Rosen were charged under a rarely used section of the 1917 Espionage Act that makes it a crime for civilians to receive and distribute closely held defense information. Both men were later dismissed by AIPAC, with the organization claiming the two had violated its rules; Rosen has filed a multimillion dollar lawsuit against AIPAC.

Reached by phone, Rosen told JTA he was "ecstatic" and was "still absorbing a life-changing moment." He said he had been on the phone Friday morning nonstop with family and friends.

"There was a great injustice here, but thank God we live in a country where the courts can correct this kind of injustice," he said.

For the immediate future, Rosen said, he would focus on a book he was writing on government leaks.

Baruch Weiss, Weissman's lawyer, told JTA that the decision was a "great victory for the First Amendment and for the pro-Israel community." Anything the defendants did "was to the benefit of Israel and the United States," he said.

The dropping of the case comes just days before the start Sunday of AIPAC's annual policy conference in Washington.
dMz
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1080184.html

Last update - 09:44 22/04/2009
Sources: U.S. may drop AIPAC spy case
By The Associated Press
Tags: espionage, Harman, AIPAC

The U.S. Justice Department is considering dropping its case against two former pro-Israel lobbyists accused of illegally disclosing national defense secrets, government officials said Tuesday.

Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman were charged in 2005 with conspiring to obtain classified documents and sharing them with reporters and former diplomats. Like other cases centered on espionage and classified information, a critical issue in pretrial hearings has been how much of the government's case must be aired in open court.

Trial has been postponed at least nine times as the defense and prosecutors wrangled over the handling of classified information and other issues. The defendants won an appeals court victory on that front in February when a three-judge panel ruled that some classified evidence could be presented at trial.

Two government officials said Tuesday the Justice Department has been weighing whether to go forward with the much-delayed case. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose details of internal discussions. Some involved in the case are urging officials to let it continue to trial, the officials said.

Rosen's attorney, Abbe Lowell, would not comment.

Lawyers for the defendants have argued that what their clients disclosed was not classified or national defense information but the kind of information that is commonly swapped by Washington insiders.

The charges against Rosen and Weissman fall under the 1917 Espionage Act, a rarely used World War I-era law that never before has been applied to lobbyists, or influence peddlers. Rosen and Weissman, who worked for the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, known as AIPAC, are not charged with espionage. The maximum penalty is 10 years per count - Rosen is charged with two counts, Weissman with one.

While the case has advanced slowly in court, it gained renewed attention Monday after a report from Congressional Quarterly, a private journal that covers government affairs, that Democratic Rep. Jane Harman was overheard agreeing to seek lenient treatment for Rosen and Weissman. CQ attributed the information to anonymous current and former national security officials familiar with a transcript of the call recorded by the National Security Agency.

In a letter Tuesday to Attorney General Eric Holder, Harman adamantly denied she had contacted the Justice Department, White House or anyone else seeking favorable treatment for Rosen and Weissman, and she asked Holder to release any transcripts of her recorded conversations.

She also urged Holder to investigate possible wiretapping of members of Congress and selective leaks of investigative material for political purposes, calling the recordings an abuse of power.

Justice Department spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler said only that officials were reviewing Harman's letter.

Harman had campaigned to become the House Intelligence Committee chairwoman when Democrats won control of the House in 2006. The wiretap transcripts raised the question of whether she agreed in a conversation with an AIPAC supporter to intercede on behalf of the two lobbyists in exchange for help in persuading party leaders to give her the powerful post. She did not get the appointment.

An indictment charged that Rosen and Weissman conspired to obtain, and then disclosed, classified reports on issues relevant to American policy, including the al-Qaida terror network, U.S. policy in Iran and the bombing of the Khobar Towers dormitory in Saudi Arabia that killed 19 U.S. Air Force.

A former Defense Department official, Lawrence A. Franklin, pleaded guilty to providing Rosen and Weissman classified defense information and was sentenced to more than 12 years in prison.

Over prosecutors' objections, Rosen and Weissman previously won the right to subpoena former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and other top Bush administration officials. The defense believes their testimony would support their claim that the United States regularly uses AIPAC to send back-channel communications to Israel.

Their trial now is scheduled for early June in a Virginia federal court but is likely to be delayed further because a judge has a scheduling conflict.
albertchampion
all you need to know is that the mossad, the shin bet[their predecessors - the irgun, the stern gang, the haganah] have been running intell ops in the usa since before the 1945 armistice.

they have also had long-time ties with the jew side of the north amerikan mafiya. in a very real sense, these israeli entities "own" the north amerikan political process[this includes canada].

it has been the secret war that cannot be revealed, discussed. i can tell you, to discuss it on what i have determined to be jew-controlled blogs, is to be erased. don't go into that topic, and you will be welcome. go into that topic, and you will become unwelcome. in a nano-second.

if you are not a jew, you will be assaulted as an "anti-semite". if you are a jew, you will be assaulted as a "self-hating jew[this is the thrust of alan dershoshits attack on norm finkelstein].

and here is what i observed concerning the censorship. there is this woman, maria gillardin, who operated a very interesting show that was given air by the founding pacifica station. kpfa. in berkeley. the show was entiteled TIME OF USEFUL CONSCIOUSNESS[some pilots may recognize this concept]. aka TUCRADIO.ORG.

the pacifica station in houston[kpft] gave her a half hour every friday in primetime[13:30hrs-14:00hrs, as i recall].

then she gave ilan pappe some air. ilan pappe is an israeli jew historian who has cared to tell the truth about the gangsterism of the israeli establisment. similar in spirit to iz shahak. well, pappe received so many death threats that he was compelled to escape israel.

after maria's show aired pappe in houston, she was virtually eliminated from kpft's air. pappe's historical truths were not to be given any "air".

it also interested me when sonali kolhatkar[uprising] aired a show[originating from LA's pacifica station, KPFK] dealing with the israeli anschluss into gaza. the mass-murdering of palestinians. as soon as this episode begain to air on kpft, the station went off the air. after that segment, kpft returned to the air. with a technical excuse for the absence of the broadcast. but, i know the reason. this houston, texas pacifica station could not afford to offend the jews in its broadcast zone with the truth of israel's imposition of a holocaust on palestinians.

once again, to recap kubrick, when it comes to the genocidal crimes of israel, the united states of amerika, and its citizenry, proceed with "eyes wide shut".
hiram
JEWS STILL DANCING ?

On the new Washington politic of OHB toward Israel see this article in Jerusalem Post (9 june 2009) :

Yossi PELED (Israelian Minister without portfolio) proposes sanctions on US

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid...rticle/ShowFull

and a commentary by Justin Raimundo in Antiwar.com (10 june 2009)

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2009/06...nism-in-israel/

Hiram
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