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Killtown
QUOTE (chek @ Aug 10 2009, 05:01 PM) *
Hoffman (who, just like Killtown, would have maintained a decent reputation as a humble but required archivist, except for unrealistic pretensions)

Excuse me?
Killtown
QUOTE (JimMac @ Aug 24 2009, 09:06 PM) *
1. Hi killtown, just chiming in here because it was Hoffman's stuff that i found early in my search for awarness (i woke up 6 months ago). I thought he was one of the good guys then. Now I have my ears and eyes open, more or less for the reasons you just stated.

2. For the record, as you say, I came to this forum, because of all the places I looked at, I trusted this place, Rob and his posse, so to speak. So far nothing has happened to alter that trust. I feel very safe here, with a bunch of really genuine and good people, where I feel I am not watching my back. If Hoffman is attacking this crowd, he'd better think twice about it.

1. Hi Jim. Hoffman's site was one of the first "9/11 truth" sites up on the net and they seemed to try to direct people to which 9/11 theories truthers should believe or stay away from. Now their audience seems to be getting smaller and smaller and, IMO, is why they seem to be getting more desperate.

2. You might also like the forum Quest (a member here) and I help run: http://forum.911movement.org/

We don't discriminate against your beliefs.
Aldo Marquis CIT
Be careful JimMac, Killtown and Quest promote the "no-plane" nonsense at the towers. The only reason he and Quest are allowed to post here is because Rob and PFT value free speech.

Killtown has promoted many other really bad theories as well, such as suggesting that the Cory Lidle crash was faked. Many believe is an anonymous disinfo team spreading disinfo that discredits 9/11 truth and makes it seem ridiculous. In fact, on the other side of the coin, people have co-opted the term no planer and applied to the work of PFT and CIT.

Just a heads up.
JimMac
QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Aug 24 2009, 10:50 PM) *
Be careful JimMac, Killtown and Quest promote the "no-plane" nonsense at the towers. The only reason he and Quest are allowed to post here is because Rob and PFT value free speech.

Killtown has promoted many other really bad theories as well, such as suggesting that the Cory Lidle crash was faked. Many believe is an anonymous disinfo team spreading disinfo that discredits 9/11 truth and makes it seem ridiculous. In fact, on the other side of the coin, people have co-opted the term no planer and applied to the work of PFT and CIT.

Just a heads up.


Hi, i really appreciate the civil tone. Very plain spoken.

I must declare that I am not fully studied on the aircraft, please excuse that. Seems I have unwittingly wandered into a point or two of controversy, large and with history. I should listen now, and pay regard.
Killtown
Who does this sound like?

QUOTE
Be careful JimMac, [Craig] and [Aldo] promote the "no-plane" nonsense at the [Pentagon]. The only reason [Craig] and [Aldo] are allowed to post here is because Rob and PFT value free speech.

[Aldo] has promoted many other really bad theories as well, such as suggesting that the [Flight 93] crash was faked. Many believe [CIT] is a disinfo team spreading disinfo that discredits 9/11 truth and makes it seem ridiculous. In fact, on the other side of the coin, people have co-opted the term [planehugger] and applied to the work of [911research.wtc7.net] and [visibility911.com].

Just a heads up.
JimMac
QUOTE (Killtown @ Aug 24 2009, 10:34 PM) *
1. Hi Jim. Hoffman's site was one of the first "9/11 truth" sites up on the net and they seemed to try to direct people to which 9/11 theories truthers should believe or stay away from. Now their audience seems to be getting smaller and smaller and, IMO, is why they seem to be getting more desperate.

2. You might also like the forum Quest (a member here) and I help run: http://forum.911movement.org/

We don't discriminate against your beliefs.


Thanks for the invite, i'll check it out. To carry on, I do not feel I am discriminated against because of my beliefs. I'm not at all sure of anything i believe in. Are you? Are any of us? Now.

Sure, Ya'll can repeat some lines of a constitution, and they may bring a lump to your throat, but what then, McDuff.

Looking at Painter's link bringing Hubble's 300 billion galaxies into view, in a tiny dark spot, each with a few hundred billion planets, it might occur to you, as it did to me, how trivial all this argument is. It's nuts. We need to save the entire planet to survive this abomination, trivial as it is.

Cheers!
Aldo Marquis CIT
QUOTE (Killtown @ Aug 25 2009, 05:45 AM) *
Who does this sound like?



Yawn.

Same ol' tactics huh Shilltown?

Jim, he has been doing this for quite a while. This, we believe, was the original intent of the no plane disinfo at the towers-to allow the REAL 'no impact' events to be lumped in with the disinfo being spread by Shilltown, his co-ops and their "useful idiots" like Quest.

Shilltown, we have eyewitness evidence to support our findings. You merely exploit people's imaginations and layman knowledge.

We are dealing with two non-transparent events. You are trying to convince people live video which we all saw and witnesses who were ALL already staring up at a burning tower are invalid.

IOW, he tries to blend in with our research(which is why he is here) and then interchanges arguments to make our findings/research and his disinformation conspiracy theories seem one in the same.

After nearly 7 years, NO ONE knows who Shilltown really is.
Aldo Marquis CIT
Of course, it should be noted that Shilltown showed up on a thread about Michael Wolsey and Jim Hoffman where they are basically asserting that we are no planers, equating us to Shilltown. So like clockwork, here comes Shilltown, to act as if we are on the same side, taking up PFT's defense.

Hey ST, you planning approaching some witnesses in NYC to support your conspiracy theory-that a lot of people happen to consider disinformation? Maybe you can borrow the unknown comic's paper bag and get on camera with some witnesses.
painter
QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Aug 24 2009, 10:30 PM) *
Of course, it should be noted that Shilltown showed up on a thread about Michael Wolsey and Jim Hoffman where they are basically asserting that we are no planers, equating us to Shilltown. So like clockwork, here comes Shilltown, to act as if we are on the same side, taking up PFT's defense.

teach.gifbanger.gifhandsdown.gif
woody
QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Aug 25 2009, 06:30 AM) *
Of course, it should be noted that Shilltown showed up on a thread about Michael Wolsey and Jim Hoffman where they are basically asserting that we are no planers, equating us to Shilltown. So like clockwork, here comes Shilltown, to act as if we are on the same side, taking up PFT's defense.

Hey ST, you planning approaching some witnesses in NYC to support your conspiracy theory-that a lot of people happen to consider disinformation? Maybe you can borrow the unknown comic's paper bag and get on camera with some witnesses.


Hmmm...the coincidental appearance of Killtown here just when the Hoffman crew fires a new volley of disinfo is striking.

Killtown, I never accused you like Aldo and others of deliberately spreading disinfo because I only do that when I'm 100% sure but the point when you chimed in on this forum is ...let's say extremely unfortunate.
woody
QUOTE (Turbofan @ Aug 24 2009, 11:07 PM) *
Previous post under review by admin team.


What post? My post #44?

EDIT [Turbofan]: No, it was a post which I moved to the admin forum.
rob balsamo
Guys,

I unsuspended KT.

He asked me via YIM to unsuspend him so he could post Shanksville work and that he wont be getting into NPT debates.

Since KT is upsetting many, i have placed him back on suspension.

So... thats.. that.
Quest
QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Aug 25 2009, 06:23 AM) *
Yawn.

Same ol' tactics huh Shilltown?

Jim, he has been doing this for quite a while. This, we believe, was the original intent of the no plane disinfo at the towers-to allow the REAL 'no impact' events to be lumped in with the disinfo being spread by Shilltown, his co-ops and their "useful idiots" like Quest.


Aldo, I have long respected your work, as well as CIT's and have NEVER had a bad thing to say about you. Are you still of the opinion that I am a "useful idiot"? I have minded my business and in fact only just became aware of this thread, and I admit I am surprised at this uncalled-for insult. You can say what you want about Killtown - that is between you and him but your comments toward me are personal, derogatory and unwarranted.

Rob, please do me a favor and leave this thread open as I would like a response from Aldo and if he wishes, I would like to debate him regarding the topic at hand.
Aldo Marquis CIT
QUOTE (Quest @ Aug 26 2009, 02:04 AM) *
Aldo, I have long respected your work, as well as CIT's and have NEVER had a bad thing to say about you. Are you stil of the opinion that I am a "useful idiot"? I have minded my business and in fact only just became aware of this thread, and I admit I am surprised at this uncalled-for insult. You can say what you want about Killtown - that is between you and he but your comments toward me are personal and derogatory.


That wasn't intended as an insult.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
Quest
QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Aug 26 2009, 01:11 AM) *
That wasn't intended as an insult.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot


OK, I'll accept that it wasn't intended as an insult, but can you understand how it can be taken as one? We here in the truth movement know what "useful idiot" means and it's a term I don't use loosely, especially with people who are in close proximity - like the SAME FORUMS. If the term is benign as you claim I guess you'll have no problem repeating it in John Lear's face, true?

That being said, I would like to debate you on the topic and in particular why I believe only a useful idiot would not even consider NPT regarding the tower "hits" given what DIDN'T happen at Shanksville and the Pentagon. Of course, no offense intended, Aldo. wink.gif

Just start when you are ready.
painter
Any "debate" of NPT on this thread is BEYOND off topic. Take it to Alt where it belongs.
Quest
QUOTE (painter @ Aug 26 2009, 03:12 AM) *
Any "debate" of NPT on this thread is BEYOND off topic. Take it to Alt where it belongs.


That's fine Painter but the ball is in Aldo's court. He can start the thread there if he wishes. handsdown.gif
dMz
Apparently, he? is now crowing about his "2nd banning from P4T for being attacked" over at his "NP" forum:

http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?sho...view=getnewpost

QUOTE (Killtown)
See for yourself:

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2521/pftban082509.th.jpg

Here's the original page of the thread it all went down although the offending posts have now been deleted:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10775518

Apparently, if Aldo (CIT) and Painter don't like you, PFT founder Rob Balsamo will ban you, even if you're a veteran truth researcher with lots of smoking gun finds under your belt.

I guess assh*les outweigh researchers over there. Sad and pathetic.

The first time I was banned there was for being attacked by Painter (an Admin there at the time). Yes that's right, I got banned because a PFT admin was attacking me. I told Painter he should resign from being an admin there because he's a terrible admin and he banned me until 2010 and closed two of my Shanksville threads there (that were just opened back up yesterday).

Sorry to say, but if PilotForTruth is going to run like that, I have no respect for anybody who participates at theirs, or CIT's forum or organization.
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Btw, Aldo banned me at his CIT forum a while ago and deleted my Shanksville thread simply because he thinks I'm a shill. He also told Craig Ranke to not post at this forum anymore. Apparently Craig is Aldo's little bitch.


Just WOW...

EDIT: there is more to this "drama" that has been discussed privately amongst the Staff here, that the casual reader likely won't be aware of...
dMz
QUOTE (painter @ Aug 25 2009, 08:12 PM) *
Any "debate" of NPT on this thread is BEYOND off topic. Take it to Alt where it belongs.

As I did. And I DO owe Aldo an apology for cutting the COLLECTIVE "sh*t" down the AT pipe (without proper notice- sorry Aldo)- I'm sorry.

It stands to reason that the vast majority of Killtown "posts" belong in a septic tank [not-so] IMHO... whistle.gif
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