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rob balsamo
9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
FLIGHT DECK DOOR CLOSED FOR ENTIRE FLIGHT

(PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Newly decoded data provided by an independent researcher and computer programmer from Australia exposes alarming evidence that the reported hijacking aboard American Airlines Flight 77 was impossible to have existed. A data parameter labeled "FLT DECK DOOR", cross checks with previously decoded data obtained by Pilots For 9/11 Truth from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) through the Freedom Of Information Act.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight 77 departed Dulles International Airport bound for Los Angeles at 8:20 am Eastern Time. According to reports and data, a hijacking took place between 08:50:54 and 08:54:11[1] in which the hijackers allegedly crashed the aircraft into the Pentagon at 09:37:45. Reported by CNN, according to Ted Olson, wife Barbara Olson had called him from the reported flight stating, "...all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers..."[2]. However, according to Flight Data provided by the NTSB, the Flight Deck Door was never opened in flight. How were the hijackers able to gain access to the cockpit, remove the pilots, and navigate the aircraft to the Pentagon if the Flight Deck Door remained closed?[3]

Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is a growing organization of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has analyzed Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) for the Pentagon Attack, the events in Shanksville, PA and the World Trade Center attack. The data does not support the government story. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, there is a growing mountain of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and officials along with Mainstream Media refuse to acknowledge. Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html for full member list.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/join to join.

[1] Hijacker Timeline - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=17

[2] Common Strategy Prior to 9/11/2001 - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html

[3] Right click and save target as here to download csv file with "FLT DECK DOOR" parameter.
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
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painter
WOW!

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rob balsamo
For easier reference, i have uploaded a csv file of the FLIGHT DECK DOOR and GMT (Time) parameters side by side.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XX44XLUH
DoYouEverWonder
Official Story - Busted

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painter
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Nov 27 2009, 09:54 AM) *
For easier reference, i have uploaded a csv file of the FLIGHT DECK DOOR and GMT (Time) parameters side by side.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XX44XLUH


Rob, I think this information is going to spread fast. Would you give those of us who are not airline professionals (and those who may be visiting this forum for the first time ever) a laymans understanding of what this .csv file actually represents?

I understand this is data from the Flight Data Recorder (FDR) allegedly found inside the Pentagon shortly after 9/11; allegedly from AA Flight 77 which was reported to have struck the Pentagon.

Having been on this forum for years I understand that this data was received by Pilots for Truth (and other organizations) from the NTSB (National Transportation and Safety Board, the federal agency tasked by Congress to investigate every civil aviation accident in the US) via a Freedom of Information Act Request (FOIA) submitted in 2006. I also understand that the NTSB regard this FDR data as a "work product" generated FOR the FBI's 9/11 investigation "Pentbomb" team. In other words, the NTSB was not investigating an "accident" but the FBI was investigating a crime scene and requested the NTSB decode the FDR for their investigative purposes.

Moreover (and correct me if I'm wrong), the "Black Box" FDR was allegedly found within the Pentagon (two different stories of its discovery were reported at the time) and turned over to the FBI prior to having been given to the NTSB (establishing chain of custody).

Finally, I also know that Pilots for 9/11 Truth has found MANY inconsistencies within this FDR derived data that strongly suggest (in brief) that the aircraft from which it came could NOT have impacted the Pentagon -- and, thus, that the FDR is a planted, fake piece of evidence. These numerous inconsistencies have been the subject of many of the Pilots for Truth presentations generated over the past three years.

If any of the above is inaccurate, please correct me.

SO.. my request is that you tell those of us who are not professionals in this field precisely what this .csv file represents. If I have it correct, it is ONE parameter (of many thousands) that was ostensibly recorded IN FLIGHT; that it shows that throughout the timeline of the flight the cockpit door was NOT opened.

Do you have any further comment or clarification to add to this? It would be appreciated by many, I'm sure.

EDIT to add: From the .csv file, it appears this information regarding the status of the cockpit door was updated EVERY FOUR SECONDS throughout the entire flight and not once during that time does the data indicate that the door was open.
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
QUOTE (painter @ Nov 25 2009, 04:28 PM) *
Rob, I think this information is going to spread fast.



i know i'm doing my best!

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rob balsamo
QUOTE (painter @ Nov 27 2009, 01:28 PM) *
SO.. my request is that you tell those of us who are not professionals in this field precisely what this .csv file represents. If I have it correct, it is ONE parameter (of many thousands) that was ostensibly recorded IN FLIGHT; that it shows that throughout the timeline of the flight the cockpit door was NOT opened.


You can download the data from our pinned topics section in the AA77 forum, the above OP or if you dont want to wade through all the parameters, i have copy/pasted only the FLT DECK DOOR parameter, side by side with the Clock into a new csv file and uploaded at the megaupload link above.

For those who do not want to scroll through 1.5 hours of flight, just click Edit/Find on your spreadsheet and type in OPEN, click find. Its not there. The door was closed for the entire flight according to the data.

Also, i cross checked this with Capt Ralph Kolstad who flew the 757 with American just to make sure their 757's have a sensor for when the door is open. They have an overhead button to push to open the flight deck door. The button lights up when the door is open. There is a sensor on the door.

Hope this helps...
rob balsamo
QUOTE (painter @ Nov 27 2009, 01:28 PM) *
EDIT to add: From the .csv file, it appears this information regarding the status of the cockpit door was updated EVERY FOUR SECONDS throughout the entire flight and not once during that time does the data indicate that the door was open.



Just saw this edit. Sorry i missed it painter...

yes, thats correct. Once every 4 seconds, which no doubt will be the excuse used by those who find any excuse to hold onto their support of what the govt has told them...

I suppose its certainly possible to get one person through the door in 4 seconds and close it fast therefore not being recorded. But was Hani the only one through? And did he take down Chic and the FO all by his little ol' self? Also remember, the pilots were "herded" to the back of the plane according to Barbara through Ted Olson and CNN. Were the pilots shoved through the door one by one with tiny Hani closing the door after each pass in hopes the FDR wouldnt record the door open?

Another theory that some may use is that Hani was on the jumpseat and therefore the door never needed to be open. After 9/11, the cockpit jumpseat was closed to all offline commuters (pilots from other airlines who couldnt be verified) due to the fact govt officials thought the hijackers had access to the flight deck. Is the above parameter the reason why they thought this? Because the door was never opened? If this were the case, you still have 2 pilots against one, and the problem of 'herding the pilots to the back of the plane'. The door had to be open either way, and for more than 4 seconds... if the govt story is to hold true.

Im sure the theories will be-a-plenty and far reaching from those who make excuse for the govt story... as usual... rolleyes.gif
painter
Thanks, Rob.

One of the difficulties I think many people have with understanding the SIGNIFICANCE of the FDR information is that it is what I call a "conundrum." On one hand, we've been given data from an agency of the Federal government (NTSB) but, on the other hand, the data itself suggests that the aircraft from which it came could NOT have struck the pentagon on 9/11. If the aircraft could not have struck the Pentagon then it follows logically that the FDR could not have been discovered within the Pentagon unless it was planted there by parties unknown. This, however, begs the question, if someone was going to go to all the trouble to in some way FAKE the FDR data and plant it as evidence, why does that data NOT clearly indicate a feasible impact scenario?

I understand that question can not be answered with certainty, it necessitates a degree of speculation which Pilots for 9/11 Truth is reluctant to make. All that can be said with certainty is that the FDR data indicates the plane from which it came did NOT strike the Pentagon. This is especially evident in the last Radar Altitude which places the plane too high to impact the light poles and too high to descend in tact and strike the Pentagon precisely at foundation level. (Incidentally, no foundation damage from the engines was recorded or reported by government officials.) NOW we understand that according to this data the plane could NOT have even been hijacked. This is astounding and perplexing information with highly disturbing implications.

Would you care to comment on this? For example, is it possible for this data to have been generated by some other means than that of a flying aircraft -- a flight simulator for example?
rob balsamo
QUOTE (painter @ Nov 27 2009, 02:42 PM) *
Would you care to comment on this? For example, is it possible for this data to have been generated by some other means than that of a flying aircraft -- a flight simulator for example?


You know me painter, i dont speculate.. wink.gif

But i'll rephrase the question.

Is it possible to simulate FDR data from a cockpit simulator? I dont see why not... its all bits and bytes.. smile.gif

What makes this FLT DECK DOOR parameter extremely damaging is that this is only a 1 or 0. Either its open, or it is not. Simple open and shut case, (no pun intended). As compared to say altitude which has a string of binary in which software then interprets into an actual altitude.

Keep in mind, Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not confirm or deny any validity of the FDR data provided by govt agencies. What makes this data so alarming is that govt agencies claim its data from AA77, yet doesnt support their story. Its clear why they refuse to comment.

We actually had this parameter when we decoded the raw file ourselves more than 2 years ago. But, it showed all zero's so i just skipped it. Once Warren provided it in terms of the Data Frame Layout (0=CLOSED, 1=OPEN), is when i decided to scroll through and see when it was open and if it corresponded with the roughly 3 min hijack timeline (which in itself is an absurdly short time frame to take over an aircraft). As you can see, the data shows the door closed through the entire flight.
jensdarup
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painter
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Nov 27 2009, 12:03 PM) *
You know me painter, i dont speculate.. wink.gif

But i'll rephrase the question.

Is it possible to simulate FDR data from a cockpit simulator? I dont see why not... its all bits and bytes.. smile.gif

What makes this FLT DECK DOOR parameter extremely damaging is that this is only a 1 or 0. Either its open, or it is not. Simple open and shut case, (no pun intended). As compared to say altitude which has a string of binary in which software then interprets into an actual altitude.

Keep in mind, Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not confirm or deny any validity of the FDR data provided by govt agencies. What makes this data so alarming is that govt agencies claim its data from AA77, yet doesnt support their story. Its clear why they refuse to comment.

We actually had this parameter when we decoded the raw file ourselves more than 2 years ago. But, it showed all zero's so i just skipped it. Once Warren provided it in terms of the Data Frame Layout (0=CLOSED, 1=OPEN), is when i decided to scroll through and see when it was open and if it corresponded with the roughly 3 min hijack timeline (which in itself is an absurdly short time frame to take over an aircraft). As you can see, the data shows the door closed through the entire flight.


Thanks, Rob. This is exactly what I was looking for!
tnemelckram
AWWWright let me be the first to debunk this.

Have any of you heard of human osmosis? I've seem people walk through solid objects many times in the movies. Them 911 hijackers were ten feet tall and surely capable of this.

Just kidding . . .

Nice work Rob!
tnemelckram
AWWWright let me be the first to debunk this.

Have any of you heard of human osmosis? I've seem people walk through solid objects many times in the movies. Them 911 hijackers were ten feet tall and surely capable of this.

Just kidding . . .

Nice work Rob!
painter
QUOTE (Domenick DiMaggio CIT @ Nov 27 2009, 10:31 AM) *
i know i'm doing my best!

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I notice 911blogger hasn't said word 1 about it
rob balsamo
Wow, this article is going viral. Over 1000 people logged onto this thread alone at this time. We're setting records today.

I took a stroll around the net to see the excuses made by a select few who blindy follow anything the govt tells them. I'll address them here for now.

Claim - How can anyone trust data from some anonymous guy in Australia?
A. We agree, but he is not really anonymous. He does give his name, but we werent able to ask him if he wanted his name used in the article. That is why we cross checked it with our own data we received from the NTSB. You can also get your own directly from the NTSB as we did. Visit ntsb.gov and fill out their FOIA request form online.

Claim - Does the cockpit door show open for the pilots to get in?
A. No, it shows closed for entire flight. The FDR starts recording when the engines are started. Clearly the pilots would be in their seats and cabin/flight deck secure during this phase of flight.


Claim - Does the FDR record if the door is open or closed?
A. Clearly it does. It says closed for the entire flight and was confirmed by the Data Frame Layout provided by the NTSB and a pilot who has flight time in this exact 757 at American Airlines.


Claim - The sensor must have failed.
A. Speculation, but if the sensor failed, it would "ding" the FDR that a sensor has failed during self-diagnosis. If the FDR is inoperative, the airplane is not allowed to take-off. The sensor was operative. People who make this claim, would also have to prove the sensor fails in the closed position.


Claim - The hijackers kicked in the door and jammed the sensor in the closed position.
A. Again, pure speculation based on incredulity. But the fact remains, the data shows the door as closed, the altitude too high to hit the Pentagon, Vertical speed too great for level off as seen in DoD 5 frames video, the list goes on. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment on such blatant conflict with the govt story.


Claim - The bird strike which took out the Flight Data Recorder prior to impact also took out the door sensor 30 mins prior to impact
A. Not really a claim made by "duhbunkers" at this point in time, but give it a few days. wink.gif
911analyzer
Excellent work!

So I guess my next question would be is if this data parameter is present on any other FDR data of the day, also showing a "no cockpit door opened status." That would be double trouble.
Craig Ranke CIT
It will be interesting to see whether or nor Stutt squirms about this after working so hard to use this decode to push his bogus 4 foot claims.
painter
QUOTE (painter @ Nov 27 2009, 02:20 PM) *
I notice 911blogger hasn't said word 1 about it

STIKE THAT -- I see blogulator has put it up on 911blogger:
painter
QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 27 2009, 03:46 PM) *
It will be interesting to see whether or nor Stutt squirms about this after working so hard to use this decode to push his bogus 4 foot claims.

You know, Craig, most of the hundreds of people looking at this thread will have no idea what you are talking about or why it is relevant to this topic. Would you please provide a little context for them?
rob balsamo
QUOTE (911analyzer @ Nov 27 2009, 06:35 PM) *
Excellent work!

So I guess my next question would be is if this data parameter is present on any other FDR data of the day, also showing a "no cockpit door opened status." That would be double trouble.


This is the first flight of the day.

But, you do bring up a good point.

There are allegedly 11 other flights in the FDR raw data. Those flights would have to be cross-checked as well. Unfortunately, we do not have the resources at this time to cross check all that data.

With that said, even if the data shows closed for all flights, it doesnt mean the data is faulty as many pilots prefer to keep the cockpit door closed at all times during flight or just have no reason to open the door (no need for potty, have their food and drinks already with them prior to flight.. .etc)

Another claim that could be made is that the NTSB lists this parameter as "not working or unconfirmed". They also list Radar Altitude the same - "not working or unconfirmed". Those who make excuse for the govt story cherry pick the newly decoded Radar Data for their impact theories but disregard confirmed Pressure altitude data which shows too high to hit the Pentagon. It is quite possible the NTSB listed "FLT DECK DOOR" as "unconfirmed" due to the fact they believe the door would and should have been opened during flight for the hijack to take place. Again, this goes back to the jumpseat issue and why the FAA ceased all offline commuters access to the jumpseat post-911.

This discussion will get complicated i'm sure, and no doubt bogged down into debate/spin by anonymous idiots on the net spending their days and nights obsessed with people they think are nuts. I just hope they're getting paid for it. If not, pretty sad life.. lol

The above article has been sent out to our full media contact list which includes hundreds of Mainstream and Alternative Media contacts, Airline Union Reps, NTSB, FBI and Congress. Of course, listing our names and credentials in full as you see linked above. You should also see the article on more news outlets in the coming days.
mvb
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Funny that the matter of one "0" is making the difference in such a gigantic conspiracy
Craig Ranke CIT
QUOTE (painter @ Nov 28 2009, 12:52 AM) *
You know, Craig, most of the hundreds of people looking at this thread will have no idea what you are talking about or why it is relevant to this topic. Would you please provide a little context for them?


The Aussie researcher referenced in the article, Warren Stutt, suggested on other forums that the last reported altitude in the data was 4 feet from the ground meaning the data would support an impact.

This is simply not true yet several others have run with it.

His thread on this issue and Rob's debunk of the 4 feet claim is here:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...t=0&start=0

Stutt doesn't push the claim in the thread but it has been run with elsewhere nonetheless.

However this has nothing to do with this new important find by P4T.
rob balsamo
QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 27 2009, 06:55 PM) *
The Aussie researcher referenced in the article has been suggesting on other forums that the last reported altitude of the aircraft was 4 feet meaning the data would support an impact.

This is simply not true yet several others have ran with it.



It is important to note that the 4' Altitude is a Radar Altitude, has not been verified by anyone and is also listed by the NTSB as "not working or unconfirmed". Those who "run with it" as support for their impact theory at the Pentagon, conveniently disregard confirmed Pressure Altitude parameters showing too high for an impact.

In other words, if they want to throw out the "FLK DECK DOOR" parameter as "not working or unconfirmed", they also must throw out their newly decoded, unverified Radar Altitude parameter, thereby admitting they still have no proof for their impact theory.
Craig Ranke CIT
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Nov 28 2009, 01:20 AM) *
It is important to note that the 4' Altitude is a Radar Altitude, has not been verified by anyone and is also listed by the NTSB as "not working or unconfirmed". Those who "run with it" as support for their impact theory at the Pentagon, conveniently disregard confirmed Pressure Altitude parameters showing too high for an impact.


Precisely.

Whenever some previously unknown researcher shows up out of nowhere providing fodder for the liars there is ground for suspicion.

His odd reaction to the information we have uncovered as shown in this thread did not ease my concerns regarding him personally so that's why it will be interesting to see his reaction to this important find that he looked over in his analysis.

Bottom line...questions about his honesty/intent can not change the data!

I think it's important to keep stressing to people that these types of fatal anomalies in govt provided data simply prove that THEIR story is false because THEIR data does not add up with what THEY say. This is key.

That is EXTREMELY important and blows the lid off their story but it does not indicate the data they provide really came from any plane at all. Most importantly we know for a FACT that the data is irreconcilable with the plane that the witnesses report on the north side of the citgo that could not have hit the building.

Basically when you tell a lie so big it's hard to make sure all aspects are covered and this is further proof that they did a sloppy job with their lie.
Raptor911
>This, however, begs the question, if someone was going to go to all the trouble to in some way FAKE the
>FDR data and plant it as evidence, why does that data NOT clearly indicate a feasible impact scenario?

Because the Evil-Doers have made mistakes.
It would be unlikely they are -perfect-.
onesliceshort
smile.gif Never saw that one coming!


May be a dumbass question guys but does the cockpit door open outwards or inwards?
If the pilots were ´herded´ to the back of the plane how could they possibly open the door
and walk them out in ´4 seconds´?

How easy/hard is it to ´kick the door in´? What locks are used?
And more importantly how would the FDR not pick this up?

Excellent news.
I see the govt loyalist site are strangely quiet on this LOL

They must be KEEKING themselves both at the news and the SOURCE! laugh.gif
Ah man, I´m getting a beer!

Cheers big ears!
rob balsamo
QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 27 2009, 07:34 PM) *
Basically when you tell a lie so big it's hard to make sure all aspects are covered and this is further proof that they did a sloppy job with their lie.



Well said.....
KP50
Great work guys and good spotting to pick the needle out of the haystack of data.

Just saw this in my email :-

Busiest Time: 169 users were online on 9th November 2009 - 10:32 AM

We seem to have well over 600 people viewing this topic alone at the moment.
bobcat46
This is just one more brick in the wall that is missing. Good job, Rob, I didn't even realize that there was a data point for the cockpit door position.

Has anyone out there actually taken their cell phone out during a flight and tried to make a cell phone call while sipping along at cruise speed or while descending at >250 knots? Just like the lady on Flight 77 did just before impact? Or like the people did on Flight 93 that supposedly crashed in Shanksville?

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tinynate
not many follow this any closer than I, and this is potentially huge news of course ... just curious why it took 8 years to find this seemingly blinking red light?

love to hear Rob's explanation, or anyone elses

thanks
Nate


ps bobcat, everytime I have flown in last 4 years I have pulled out my cell and it never works until im 500' from ground at best ... and it stops as soon as we get off ground ... Ive tested it dozens of times ... cells never could work and dont on commercial flights I take anyway
rob balsamo
QUOTE (tinynate @ Nov 27 2009, 09:59 PM) *
love to hear Rob's explanation, or anyone elses

thanks
Nate



From page one...

QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Nov 27 2009, 03:03 PM) *
We actually had this parameter when we decoded the raw file ourselves more than 2 years ago. But, it showed all zero's so i just skipped it. Once Warren provided it in terms of the Data Frame Layout (0=CLOSED, 1=OPEN), is when i decided to scroll through and see when it was open and if it corresponded with the roughly 3 min hijack timeline (which in itself is an absurdly short time frame to take over an aircraft). As you can see, the data shows the door closed through the entire flight.


Also, take it easy on the full bold posts. Thanks.. smile.gif
GroundPounder
HDD (hugely damning discovery)... i mean wtf? how do you hijack a plane if you don't get in the cockpit?!?
DonM
QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Nov 27 2009, 07:19 PM) *
HDD (hugely damning discovery)... i mean wtf? how do you hijack a plane if you don't get in the cockpit?!?


This has always been one of the BIG, HUGE, ENORMOUS, GIGANTIC questions, hasn't it?

In four purported hijackings, not a single transponder "hijack code" was sent and not a single MAYDAY was sent. How tough would that have been... they are all wearing boom mics and have the transmit button right under their thumbs. Maybe once, highly unlikely twice... but four times... IMPOSSIBLE!!!

DonM
Sanders
WOWOWOWOWOW !!!!

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I just logged on after seeing this in my email box.

It doesn't surprise me that it took this long to uncover this, nor that the perps and cover-up people overlooked it --- who would think about such a thing!???


Excellent work people.

Again, Wow. Another big nail in the coffin.
aerohead
HAHA !!! Another nail in the coffin.
Excellent work Rob !

Cockpit doors werent flimsy push overs even pre-911 .
Although the ms-media would have you believe they could have
been easily removed by your average 3yr old toddler.
I assure you they could not.


Its obvious that the "hijackers" opened a window in the cabin, shimmied up the fuselage
and entered the cockpit windows, thus overtaking the flight crew. Ive seen it
done in the movies many times, and the Corporate News Networks would never
lie to me. huh.gif

The entire government version is an impossibility. This is just one
of thousands of pieces of evidence proving the fraud of
9/11.
Turbofan
Here's a little tech for those interested. The Flight Deck Door was most
certainly assigned as a recorded parameter as per this chart:





A port that is not used looks like this in the documentation:



It is clear, without debate that Flight Deck Door was assigned and being
polled by the system.

These captures were taken from a Boeing 757 manual, document number:
D226A101-3, revision G.

As shown the flight data recorder receives a logic low (binary 0) when the
door is closed. With electronic circuits (specifically digital signals), you
must NEVER leave a pin open. It must be referenced to VSS (signal high),
or Ground (signal low) at all times. It CANNOT remain floating or the input
circuitry will receive noise, and/or an undetermined value.

For this reason, the following circuit is the standard for switched logic
circuits. There may be variations, however the signal input line will
ALWAYS sense Ground (logic 0), or VSS (logic 1)



So what does this mean? Well, according to the documentation, the door
is closed when a logic zero is received at Port D14, word 251, bit 1, subframe 3.

If this parameter was NEVER recorded the documentation would not assign
a port, and/or a word/bit position.

If the door was left open, the value would read logic 1 (VSS) as shown on the right side (Figure 2).

Parameters that are not recorded (IE: spares, or unused ports) are tied
to ground instead of VSS to reduce current draw and power consumption
in a circuit.

Summary:

Unused pins, spare ports, etc. are tied to ground and are labelled as spare
in the third chart from the top of this post.

Assigned parameters are never 'floating' and will either see a logic 1, or
logic 0. In the case of the Flight Deck Door, it was reading ground which
means it was closed (logic 0).
SlackerSlayer
QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Nov 26 2009, 01:19 AM) *
HDD (hugely damning discovery)... i mean wtf? how do you hijack a plane if you don't get in the cockpit?!?


They called it the remote recovery system. It used the transponders radio circuitry to inform the remote pilot what the flight parameters are. This explains no emergency transponder signal of a hijack as well as all the other questions raised.
tit2
It would be necessary to formally inform the FBI of this fact and many others that would justify the opening of a new investigation for certain events concerning the attacks of September 11, 2001. If when he was informed the FBI does not investigate these facts, in this case, in my opinion, a person should perform a lawsuit against the FBI director.
SlackerSlayer
A question for an experience large passenger aircraft pilot.

What would be your problem if any when all the passengers are herded into the back area as far as the balanced load goes? Isn't a huge shift in the center of gravity going to throw the inexperience off just a little?
bobcat46
tinynate:

Thanks for your reply on the cell phone question. That confirms what the electronic geeks are saying about how difficult it would to be for a cell phone to lock onto a tower while going >250 kts.

Are there any other out there that have tried to use your cell phones during a flight??

bobcat46
onesliceshort
Given Turbofan´s excellent summary of the actual circuit functions could someone explain how there would even BE a ´four second´ window of error? I mean, to a layman (on electronics) the operation of the circuit would come down to a simple circuit breaker. The door is either open or closed. Why have this 4 second window in a fairly simple operation?
Thoughts?

PS I may be talking out my rear here lol.
Turbofan
Hey "Oneslice",

There is NO delay. The signal is presented at the DAU port immediately (near speed of light!).

The parameter is polled every 4 seconds however. That is what everyone is talking about now.

Did Hani open the door...shut it...get two pilots out of their seats...open the door and shut it again.

He would have to open and close the door before the second poll in order for it to read CLOSED,
and within that time frame have two pilots walk through the door. rolleyes.gif
onesliceshort
QUOTE (Turbofan @ Nov 28 2009, 03:25 PM) *
Hey "Oneslice",

There is NO delay. The signal is presented at the DAU port immediately (near speed of light!).

The parameter is polled every 4 seconds however. That is what everyone is talking about now.

Did Hani open the door...shut it...get two pilots out of their seats...open the door and shut it again.

He would have to open and close the door before the second poll in order for it to read CLOSED,
and within that time frame have two pilots walk through the door. rolleyes.gif


Cheers for the clarification TF smile.gif
Also ´Hani´ would have had to have first entered as a new parameter was being polled to give
him the full 4 seconds. Hani the Ninja huh? laughing1.gif

So even if the inevitable spin begins that the ´hijackers could have broken it when they kicked the
door in´ the door being opened would have registered given this circuitbreaker system?

Sorry for all the questions mate. I´m still trying to take in the enormity of this.
tnemelckram
QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 27 2009, 07:34 PM) *
That is EXTREMELY important and blows the lid off their story but it does not indicate the data they provide really came from any plane at all. Most importantly we know for a FACT that the data is irreconcilable with the plane that the witnesses report on the north side of the citgo that could not have hit the building.

Basically when you tell a lie so big it's hard to make sure all aspects are covered and this is further proof that they did a sloppy job with their lie.



Dead on Craig. I was on the border before, thinking this FDR data maybe could have come from the plane the witnesses saw and that the older inconsistencies about the altitude and course could be reconciled with the NOC witnesses. The four foot final altitude above some object seemed to fit in with a fly over. But this door thing just about convinces me that this FDR Data has no relationship to anything and was manufactured out of whole cloth.

Why would they be so sloppy an release it via FOIA? Because they didn't think anybody would be able to read it let alone dig into and analyze it.
Aldo Marquis CIT
A little additonal info for you all...

Our resident researcher and associate in Arlington, VA was made aware of a strange flyby performed in the wee hours of the morning, under the cover of night, about a week or two prior to 9/11. Witnesses he knew told him that what sounded like a large aircraft flew over their house/neighborhood-which is right along the official story attack jet's flight path just a mile or two from the pentagon. This flyover was loud and low that it shook their house and woke them from their sleep. This could have only been the plane they used to record the data IMHO because planes in the area landing or taking off from reagan national do NOT fly over this part of Arlington at all, let alone low, loud, and fast.I would surmise that the pilots for this plane would not need to open the cockpit door. At least they forgot to or didn't realize they needed to. For all we know, this plane did not have any type of human pilots housed in the cockpit at all.

This information is still developing...
Kesha
QUOTE (bobcat46 @ Nov 28 2009, 02:48 PM) *
tinynate:

Thanks for your reply on the cell phone question. That confirms what the electronic geeks are saying about how difficult it would to be for a cell phone to lock onto a tower while going >250 kts.

Are there any other out there that have tried to use your cell phones during a flight??

bobcat46


Woody Box and me are discussing this issue in German forums since 2003 or so...

As my wife is from Moscow, we are flying a lot. Each time we do, we`re checking our GSM mobiles phones,
and the result is always the same... no matter which phone, airline or aircraft:

After take-off, the signal is vanishing at about 1700-1800 ft, and it does not come back until final approach at
about the same height. The second factor is the speed, it seems that apprx. 150 ml/h is the limit... this can also
be verified at ground level in a fast car on a German Autobahn. Could be it`s a bit more up in the air, but not
much.
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
mockingbird farmer claims :

QUOTE
Yes, there are 11 flights in the Warren RO besides the one in question. During NONE of those fights was the door ever recorded open. I checked the frame structure and I was correct, the default value is closed. So in 42 hours of recorded flight, no 'signal' was ever sampled for that parameter, hence no binary 1 recorded.


is he making this up?
onesliceshort
QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Nov 28 2009, 04:35 PM) *
A little additonal info for you all...

Our resident researcher and associate in Arlington, VA was made aware of a strange flyby performed in the wee hours of the morning, under the cover of night, about a week or two prior to 9/11. Witnesses he knew told him that what sounded like a large aircraft flew over their house/neighborhood-which is right along the official story attack jet's flight path just a mile or two from the pentagon. This flyover was loud and low that it shook their house and woke them from their sleep. This could have only been the plane they used to record the data because planes in the area landing or taking off from reagan national do NOT fly over this part of Arlington at all, let alone low, loud, and fast.I would surmise that the pilots for this plane would not need to open the cockpit door. At least they forgot to or didn't realize they needed to. For all we know, this plane did not have any type of human pilots housed in the cockpit at all.

This information is still developing...


This method would have been a HELL of a lot easier than manually fiddling
with a complex binary code.
Actually fly the ´official path´ beforehand with a functioning FDR unit.

As Aldo said, the cockpit door could have been overlooked. Look how
many people have been sniffing and probing every angle of the Pentagon
op for years and this info has taken everybody by surprise.
Why not the perps?

The NOC and East of Potomac witness testimony also adds weight to the FDR
being falsified this way.
It would certainly explain a lot.

The FDR at the Pentagon had no serial numbers.
It was ´found´ in various areas (entrance and ´C´ring).
It was ´found´ BY various people.
The time code on data extraction was different to the alleged
time of discovery - 3-4 hours EARLIER.
P4911T PROVING that the plane was too high to hit either
the lightpoles, the trailer or the building itself.
The fact that NO witness testimony bar Lloyd England´s
suggest an SOC path.
The above mentioned verified NOC witnesses.
( I STILL get a chill when I watch the CIT interview with the
ANC workers!)
Now this.

The FDR is a fabrication.
The Pentagon op isn´t a ´honeypot´ that should be ´ignored´ as suggested by some.
It was a f*ckup. We have tangible physical proof of an inside job.
´Ignore´it???
Are you f*cking mad??

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