i have been getting REAMED on www.camaros.net i dont care if you drive a mazda miata....join the forum and help me out......im f*cking sick and tired of 10-1 odds!!!

im RUSTY69 in the "current events" section..... THANX

PS. this means you

Personally, I have stopped posting about 9/11 on my home board. Instead I post about the police state.

I registered. I am assuming you are in the chat room. Just send me a PM when you are back in there and I will help you open up a can of "wake up" soup on these guys.

I'd help you, but, dude, that's a "Camaro" forum and I'm not a glutton for punishment.

that didnt work, plan b, give up

Decider, why waste time with obvious closed minds. You could show them an executive order signed by George W. Bush and they wouldn't believe you. None so blind as those who refuse to see.

I have been busy at work all day but I am going to give em hell tonight


9-11 was an inside job!!!!!!

Truer words were never spoken.

Have heart, THE DECIDER - there are lots out there willing to listen (maybe a gardening site is the ticket?? )

well a little history on the site....

i was a member their BEFORE i woke up to government agendas....i was just a camaro loven chainsmoker....

i was a member at that site for about a year...became a solid member of that team....then in mid 2005, i woke up.....now i try to spread my findings there...in wich case now i am refered to as a TFH kook....troll...

now the personal attacks are getting worse.it is seriously like 10 posters against me....i was doing DAMN good for a while....but now they are getting really nasty...and i wanted to truth overload that place......i posted this same request on EVER forum i know of....and ZERO people have helped out...i know i cant FORCE people to help out....its just kind of disapointing that nobody wanted to help me out....their is about 3 members on that site who PM me, and tell me not to give up..they agree with me but wont speak out in fear of insult..the more they insult me and not address my statements, they are just showing their ignorance..

give me a direct link to where you are... or are you in the chat room.

I am on my way!!!!

i believe that site has some weird thing were you need to be logged in to see the threads...

im RUSTY69 just look in the CURRENT EVENTS section.... and look at the carnaige..lol

You have to have permission to get the current events section. It looks like it has to be a paid membership. Oh well.

Give up on those lames.

The first bullet has been fired. Its me and the Decider on the front lines with the Camaro idiots.

LOL

nah. anyone who cares so much about gardening that they would actually join a chat room for it, probably hasn't the slightest clue about the real world, and is probably too mindlessly distracted by meaningless bullshit to even care.

Their first response (and second and third and fourth and fifth) was an insult. Are you kidding me? A mindless insult. mo fiya how did you know?????

They may be mindless...as The Decider warned, but they are about to get hit with a few really powerfully jabs and then they are on their own. I haven't been in a net debate in a while on 9/11 in a while. Although I get the feeling it will be a knowledge vs insult match.

TD -

I thought you said those guys were hardcore...

Superfeatherweights my friend.

Superfeatherweights....

I will be back tomorrow morning for more, I have a feeling Operation Northwoods and Gulf of Tonkin mixed in with WTC 7 and Put options were a bit much for them.

That may hvae them twisting in their sleep all night.

Great fun...

Thanks for the invitation...

man o man..i just got DOMINATED on my fave camaro board.....i asked for help on every board i know....and DC was the one and only guy who stepped up to help me out.......TY

i was thinking i could totally drop a truth bomb on that place...

but i got no resposes, no help, nothing... its been a wild 6 moths guys.....but im hanging up my truth hat.......goodluck

C'mon DECIDER

Your home-forum is the most difficult place to start this kind of discussion. I made the same experience with my aviation forum.


YOU CAN'T WIN!!!

And I had really professional help there by Lederhosn.


Either they win the discussion and you get 'pulled' (or banned) with a 'complete conspiracy nut' - label on your forehead

or YOU win the discussion with excellent arguments - then they stop posting on the tread and ignore you on other treads with your 'complete conspiracy nut' -label on your forehead.

YOU CAN'T WIN ! on your home board, all you can do is make one or two (or perhaps more) members begin to think about your arguments and probably even start investigating.

Unfortunately I haven't been able to follow your battle there, because I can't read the forum without registering.

Take a break!

I'd be glad to hear you saying the famous words of one of my country-men:

"I'll be back..."


typo (again)

[EDIT] Just to confirm, I am not actually very proud of Schwarzenegger...

It sounds like you guys did. That's all you can do. How they recieve it is up to them. Some people may never wake up. Some may take another year or two. I learned the hard way after spending a month getting my ducks all in a row that sometimes you just can win these things. A month's worth of research flamed within 5 minutes of posting. So, I stopped trying to pile it on onto deaf ears. Now, I look for marginally receptive ears and also look to get the best information available for them. Make a product that they can't resist buying, that's my thinking now.

We have made strides in the two short days I have been there.

TD do not give up. I read the messages in the Operation Northwoods thread I created. It turned into a shouting/insult match. You know people instantly turn off what you are trying to say at that point. But here is an example of progress.



This is from a person who decided to attack me out of the gates. So keep your head in the game and try not to lose your cool. When you see an insult (and I saw a few people trying to bait me) ... IGNORE IT.

Hang in there bud

More progress in case you are watching TD...




Mind you this is from the dude who was one of the first people to attack me when I got to the Camaro site.

Hey TD!

I cannot subscribe to that orum and I am not able to find the 'Current Event'-section.

But I can tell you 2 things:

1). I am into the 9/11/insidejob dicussion since 9/11/01 afternoon and one of the first
who talked like i wanted people to do was You at LC!

2). I owned a 78 Camaro Z28 in my early 20ies and came across with many guys from the
(in Germany so called) US-Car szene. They are all idiots. Don't listen to them, except about
the correct adjustment of Holley Carbs.

Always with the star on the hood: Carl

Carl here are the instructions to get into the current events section.

Here is how you can access it. Why they have a backdoor to this section I will never know.

1. Click on the menu that says user CP
2. Along the left column menu under Miscellaneous click Group Memberships
3. Select that you want to join Current Events
4. Now when you go back to forums you will see it as the third menu under Team Camaro


And more from the dude who started out as a skeptic and then decided to do his own research. I gave him the PNAC introduction.... his response.

Thanks DC, but i cannot find any menue with 'User CP' on it.

Help me out.

on stand by mode:Carl

there are two menu bars.

on the bottom menu look to the far left.

yea come on carl...the "current events" section is unmoderated..so we can have a thousand people come over and slap them all with a dose of reality....ive already burned my bridges there...so im just hoping to dominate that place with truth...then ill wash my hands of it.....

TD & DC,

cannot find it. Nor on www.camaros.net, neither in the 'Forum' section.

Is it because I use Apple Mac OSX / Mozilla Firfox ?

no geek: Carl

I am not sure. You do not see at the far left a menu that says user CP???? It should be near the top of the page.

Alright I'm a little slow on the uptake, but I registered over there and I'm trying to figure out what section we have been posting in...

thanx method..

i guess you need to suscribe to the current event section...as it is un-modded..

the userCP is on the left side....just above the forum sections...

thanx

No problem TD, I just planned on jumping in if I'm needed.

UserCP.... then what?



I'm sorry man.... I'm assuming that I have to manually subscribe... ?

i think its just something that says you understand its un moderated...and they are not responsable for hurt feelings...lol

Got it.

For Carl - it's under "Group Memberships" in your UserCP.... that is unless you haven't gotten it yet.

SIGH!

WTF is 'Group Memberships'???

Always prefered the Mustang: Carl

lol its for the current events section....

misinterpretation:

WTF : WHERE the F***

Carl I can not believe you are not in yet.... [laugh]

click this

http://www.camaros.net/forums/usercp.php

then follow my instructions...

Hopefully that works

ohhh you click the usercp...

then down to "Miscellaneous"

and then "Group Memberships"

OOOO Carl... [laugh]


Persistence pays off Carl.

You made me curious about that Camaro forum, guys


29,100 members !!!
I wonder how many are actually in the 'current events' section.


As I said:

You can't "WIN" a discussion.

Either they win the discussion and you get 'pulled' (or banned) with a 'complete conspiracy nut' - label on your forehead

or YOU win the discussion with excellent arguments - then they stop posting on the tread and ignore you on other treads with your 'complete conspiracy nut' -label on your forehead.

YOU CAN'T WIN ! on your home board, all you can do is make one or two (or perhaps more) members begin to think about your arguments and probably even start investigating.



Seems as if you guys have been able to make more than one or two Camaro fans start investigating.


Amazing job!!!


respect
Z.




BTW don't worry, I wont butt in over there.

only user cp i got is in that pulldown.menu bottom of the pag. when i click go,
the site wants me either to fill in my password/username or to subscribe.

cannot imagine how guys who are used to the camaros tractor tech can handle
such a complex login procedure. I possibly did underestimate them.

feels like an idiot: Carl
Is an idiot: Me.

You have to register first Carl before you do anything else.

This topic made me think about a discussion on a MySpace so-called 9/11 Truth group. What worried me more was that this was allegedly a group of people working together to uncover the conspiracy, yet many of them seemed to be looking for alternative theories to support the official story!

For instance, I was talking to one person who claimed that he believed 9/11 was an inside job, however, he was putting forward an alternative (and ridiculous) theory to explain the "natural" collapse of the towers and thus shift attention towards the more dubious theories such as no planes etc. Another person was trying to explain away the obvious demolition plumes as “a phenomena of the air conditioning as the towers collapsed”. Again, his theory was patently absurd. I jumped in to correct both of these people; however, to my surprise I was not only scolded by them, but also by other members of the forum!

With so-called truth seekers like that on our side, who needs enemies? Despite their ridiculous theories, both of these people appeared to be highly educated. Even though I pointed out the absurdity in their theories, and politely explained to them that if they are merely investigating alternative explanations for the collapse which may be thrown to them by the opposition; then unless anyone can provide irrefutable proof to back up these theories then there is little point in pursuing them. The notion that the destruction of the towers was attributed to explosives/themite is the strongest of all, and fits the evidence like a glove. Case closed.

I went on to explain to this person that we should be focusing our efforts on spreading the word to more people that the towers were demolished by explosives, however, to my amazement my suggestion was ridiculed and without further ado these people went back to debating the issue amongst themselves.

How could these people be so blind to the issue of explosives in the towers, especially if they consider themselves truth seekers? The only answer is that these groups must be infiltrated by those who have been influenced by the very criminals responsible for 9/11, or even worse, the criminals themselves! Why are they so concerned about turning attention away from the WTC demolition onto the more dubious theories? Why are they promoting people and organizations which try to discourage the demolition theory?

The only answer is that they are trying to control the direction of the movement and point us towards the disinformants and therefore onto the more questionable theories. They want to build a straw man which they believe we will buy into and thus provide ammunition to the "debunkers". Well, us guys here at Pilots have been investigating this for a long time and will not be falling for their deception, unfortunately there are many newbie’s who will be easily taken in by these con-artists.

Of course Beached. There was a guy who kept focusing on the towers and the possibility they were destroyed by burning jet fuel which weakened the steel, which is obviously complete crap. I told him, I didn't want to debate WTC 1 & 2, but I wanted to talk to him about WTC7. He avoided it like the plague.

NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT building 7. Not the 9/11 Commission, not NIST, not the debunkers. NO ONE!

It cleans their clock everytime!!! B)

Now I can see the user cp and the joining request for the current eventst...



Sounds like 911-related to me, but...



...and below is still only Camaro-related stuff.



Ahhh. The leader. Due I didn`t want to lie, I left the request-line blank.



WOW! Willy Rodrigez owns a Camaro!?
If this Forum isn't 911-related, I don't know witch is.



28 minutes ago. C'mon, Willy, Let me in!
I want to discuss the explosions in the basement with you!

Promises to install the term 'Hot Rod' for replacing the old fashioned 'Smoking Gun': Carl

tell them you would like to discuss off topic related matters.

no way. after clicking on the button, I have no 2nd opportunity
to write something anymore now. all i can do is wait and hope for janitor
to accept my request.

hope he will not believe I am a Mustang-guy and let me in.

sigh... I would love to dicuss the international oil-market there.
I remember my Camaro handling the fuel I filled in like a toilet flush
and i wonder if these guys know that there are countries like germany where the gallon
is about + $6,-

unsubscribe then resubscribe.

then you will get your chance to tell them you want to discuss off topic issues.

Hey fellas!
I joined up too, not to do any debating 'cause I'm no good at that, just to see what you are up to.
Watch out for that 'Dreamweaver'-character, he doesn't ring true somehow, much too dumbsounding and eager. I have the feeling he's pulling your leg(s). I could be wrong of course but I just don't like the sound of him.

Guinan

ps If you want me to join in I will, but I don't think I'll do much good.

Dreamweaver has been discovered to be a fraud. Good catch because he had me going. Oh well.

In fact dreamweaver and parky76 are the same person.

Total troll.

See you over there!!