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Rickysa
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/...l#ixzz0ZDVmmhRP

Rotating "Norway Lights"????
painter
Very difficult to tell anything from video and pictures like that. First few seconds looks to me like a missile (or some such) spinning out of control (rotating, corkscrewing). The other photos are enhanced in some way, illuminated gasses?

{shrug}
lunk
I think that was the blue star,
the next one should be a red star.

Some ancient Mayan, end of their calendar, prediction,
i think.
lunk
simple explanation,
the Russians were just testing out their intercontinental nuclear missiles,
at night, from a nuclear submarine, and this one misfired stage three,
...i'm surprised they didn't say it was hijacked by terrorists in a cave with a laptop.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/12/10/r...#socialcomments

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The failure of a new Russian intercontinental ballistic missile during testing was the cause of the spectacular, spiraling, blue lights seen early Wednesday in the skies over northern Norway


nothing to see here,
no radiation to detect,
just a spiral in the sky and
some funny glowing clouds,
feel safe,
knowing there is one less dud,
in the arsenal...
lunk
QUOTE (lunk @ Dec 9 2009, 01:22 PM) *
I think that was the blue star,
the next one should be a red star.

Some ancient Mayan, end of their calendar, prediction,
i think.



Hopi, too.

http://www.wolflodge.org/bluestar/bluestar.htm

QUOTE
Then the Blue Star Kachina would physically appear in our heavens which would mean that we were in the end times.


cheers
lunk
Apparently these missiles have been spiraling out of control all over the globe.

China, last year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyjetB7MBPM

Russia, too?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IFLH8GzQh4

or CERN, trying to fuse infinitesimally small singularities together:

http://environmental-impact.web.cern.ch/en...diation-en.html
Ricochet
Here is a DOD report on China from the early 80's
http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/ufo/ADA133326_UFO.pdf
lunk
QUOTE (Ricochet @ Dec 13 2009, 11:01 AM) *
Here is a DOD report on China from the early 80's
http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/ufo/ADA133326_UFO.pdf


Seems like these spiraling thingys are more common,
than reported.

Hmm. That china event was at an altitude 500km?!
I wonder how high up the one in Norway was?

(edit) added
The sun has been acting up the last few years, and
blowing off lots of CMEs.
Perhaps this is a little blown off chunk of the suns' corona.
lunk
I'm now hearing reports that the blue Norway spiral,
was a black hole created by the Russian Haarp, and
sent as a warning to the climate-gaters not to sign
on to CO2 reduction.
(which probably does actually have something to do with Russian oil interests.)

pure speculation, of course
lunk
QUOTE (lunk @ Dec 13 2009, 11:53 PM) *
I'm now hearing reports that the blue Norway spiral,
was a black hole created by the Russian Haarp, and
sent as a warning to the climate-gaters not to sign
on to CO2 reduction.
(which probably does actually have something to do with Russian oil interests.)

pure speculation, of course




Some think it may be a result of the 27 km round proton smasher.

Lots of interesting stuff about black holes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJQO-bkqBHw

My own research says black holes have to shrink under their own weight.
This could look like a spiral, from all directions.

If, it was a black hole, following a path, it would continue on the same path but get smaller, faster than, it was moving forward. As that black hole gets even smaller, it starts to have less effect on the surrounding matter. As it was initially forming it would be drawing matter toward its' event horizon, which would get very hot and glow brightly, yes, and it would be spinning, down to a point, too.

BTW. they give off x-rays as they form
(and are theorized to have a beam, radiating from their axis of rotation.)

Where did they get the term "blue beam?", i wonder...
lunk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-yqahP1jM8

It looks like the spiral is streaming around and into the center.
Like the "smoke" is following slightly slower than the central,
emitter.
The spiral isn't static it's following the spin of its center,
and going toward it, fast!

This means the spiral "smoke" is getting pulled into the thing at the center, making it.

Rocket fuel exhaust wouldn't behave like this.
This looks more like a drain in our universe,
with matter spiraling down into it.

Me think, black hole.
A freshly made one,
that was formed, and shrank down so small
that it is no longer a significant factor, on this universe.

The spiral we saw,
was, in one sense, a straight line down to the
shrinking black hole at the center.

Like a drain in the matter universe.
lunk
Pictures and events of this incident of the blue light spiral in Norway, have disappeared from googles' search engine. Hundreds of "blue" and "Norway" and "spiral" links that have nothing to do with the spiral blue light seen in Norway, since last Wednesday.

Someone doesn't want people talking about this.

...those are sort of common search terms, but still,
these photos and videos were everywhere
in the search just after it occurred.

no more, not
know more,
unfortunately.
JFK
QUOTE (lunk @ Dec 14 2009, 12:57 PM) *
Pictures and events of this incident of the blue light spiral in Norway, have disappeared from googles' search engine. Hundreds of "blue" and "Norway" and "spiral" links that have nothing to do with the spiral blue light seen in Norway, since last Wednesday.

Someone doesn't want people talking about this.

...those are sort of common search terms, but still,
these photos and videos were everywhere
in the search just after it occurred.

no more, not
know more,
unfortunately.


I just checked Altavista and I concur with you on the images being wiped from the net.

I have saved the images from the original article even though they, to me, appear photoshopped and have copyrights.

None of those have any useful exif data.
lunk
Not sure if this is anything to do with this, but:

Seems to be a rise in x-rays, starting about the the time of the spiral.



perhaps its just from the sun.
JFK
Cool, solar x-rays which penetrate the earth and just happen to concentrate over Norway.

Ricochet
Lunk pondered,
QUOTE
I wonder how high up the one in Norway was?




QUOTE
The Norway Spiral event has been claimed by the Russian Military. The rocket was claimed to launch from the White Sea, heading northward. Armed with this data, a conclusion using the Google Earth software demonstrated the direction the photograph was taken from was the White Sea, and the trajectory was a ballistic missile track to the north.

So while it may look like something meteorological, or astronomical, the spiral was solved by using simple mathematics. The rocket, in this method, is calculated to be about 97 to 106 miles high when the photo was taken, which is the exact altitude range for missiles in their third stages.


So says the LA Examiner weather dude.
http://www.examiner.com/x-33051-LA-Weather...-Sea-pinpointed. Good sniping in the comments section.
lunk
He gets his altitude of 100 miles by assuming
it was a rocket from the White sea.

simple trickonometry
lunk
http://e7.eiscat.se/about/whatiseiscat

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One EISCAT transmitter site consisting of a UHF system and a VHF system is located close to the city of Tromsø, in Norway, and additional receiver stations are located in Sodankylä, Finland, and Kiruna, Sweden. The EISCAT Headquarters are also located in Kiruna. In 1996 the EISCAT Scientific Association constructed a second incoherent scatter radar facility, the EISCAT Svalbard Radar (ESR), near Longyearbyen on the island of Spitsbergen, far to the North of the Norwegian mainland.


What's in between the spiral and the White Sea?

Upper atmospheric guided plasma manipulation,
and somebody just got awarded a metal for it.

http://e7.eiscat.se/groups/Documentation/a.../WannbergBeynon

...follow the blue fairy (or look where it flew from)
lunk
Look what i found:

http://e7.eiscat.se/groups/Documentation/C...archterm=spiral

Does anyone wonder, if this math,
could be used to concentrate plasma
in the upper atmosphere?
Perhaps to a point, where the plasma collapses in on itself,
under its' own weight?

...and create that spiral thingy away high up above Norway.
(that could be very dangerous)

Sort of a way, to show off ones talents,
to get more funding for even bigger projects, like this:

(caution, huge picture)
http://e7.eiscat.se/groups/EISCAT_3D_info/...ty/Distance.png

Sorry, i still don't think that could have been a dud Russian rocket.

(edit) picture too big to post as image
lunk
I just found a university web cam that caught the spiral traveling across its' view, in high quality,
for minutes!

Can someone embed this, please?
(the video is a time lapse from dec 9 2009)

http://weather.cs.uit.no/video/

or get it, while it's still there.

(edit) added, and added

Correction, not minutes but HOURS!
The time stamp says that the blue swirly thing was in view of this camera from 3:04 to at least 8:10 AM!!!

The blue spiral thingy does an arc across the view, over 5 hours,
This must mean that it was very high up, following the Earths curvature,
or it was just the curve of the camera lens.
My guess is that we are looking at 500 miles,
not just 100 miles in altitude.

This must have been huge.

here is the direct link for the video of the swirly thingy:

http://weather.cs.uit.no/video/2009/12/20091209-large.avi
lunk
QUOTE (lunk @ Dec 19 2009, 02:31 PM) *
I just found a university web cam that caught the spiral traveling across its' view, in high quality,
for minutes!

Can someone embed this, please?
(the video is a time lapse from dec 9 2009)

http://weather.cs.uit.no/video/


or get it, while it's still there.

(edit) added, and added

Correction, not minutes but HOURS!
The time stamp says that the blue swirly thing was in view of this camera from 3:04 to at least 8:10 AM!!!

The blue spiral thingy does an arc across the view, over 5 hours,
This must mean that it was very high up, following the Earths curvature,
or it was just the curve of the camera lens.
My guess is that we are looking at 500 miles,
not just 100 miles in altitude.

This must have been huge.

here is the direct link for the video of the swirly thingy:

http://weather.cs.uit.no/video/2009/12/20091209-large.avi


(though nobody will ever admit it.)
Mystery solved?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkYQaIFgFrs

More or less, what i was saying.
Explanation?
A huge amount of electrical energy was directionally radiated as radio waves from EISCAT. Focused on plasma in the ionosphere, they concentrated it, to a point, where its' mass, was greater than its' atomic structure could hold, and it collapsed upon itself, and started getting smaller, under the weight of its' own mass. Dragging in the surrounding matter, and accelerating it toward the speed of light, around it.
This caused the smoke(?), light, heat (yes, someone took an infrared picture, too) and spiral. At a certain point, the center singularity, became so tiny, that it could no longer interact with matter, and vanished into extreme, smallness, taking its' spiral, with it.
(edit) added
And black holes emit beams and ionize plasma, (theoretically).

...now, that was good coffee.
lunk
...perhaps a little bit too much caffeine, though.

The video i linked to, clearly showed the moon,
not the spiral thingy.
sorry, my mistake.
lunk
Curious though,
of all the pages of posts, i've read, on the swirly thing,
no direct mention of the half moon, that would have been still up above the horizon, at the time of the swirly thing, above Norway,
or perhaps more correctly,
above EISCAT, high up in the ionosphere.
The Russian missile launch window,
was probably just the cover story,
planned well in advance, of course.

It's amazing how fast spiraling rockets were animated,
as an explanation, after the event.
lunk


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