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lunk
...sort of abstract,
but:


Ever notice the words used to describe the truth?

The cold hard facts, the little white lie, bending the truth...

We all like to think of ourselves as level headed individuals,
but there are those who bend the truth,
to lead another to act in a different way, or direction.

People think their beliefs to be straight forward,
while others may think that an idea is bent,
if it does not conform with their own.

Some people just seem to think in circles.
The lie, sounds like its' flat on the level ground, but it just looks that way.
Really a lie, is a bending of the truth, sometimes so great that it distorts
ones reality.

The deeper one looks, into the truth, the more vaster and deeper truths one finds, beyond every level. But one must go through a level of truth, and rise to a greater understanding, of it, before getting to the next.

When one achieves a certain level of truth, others,
that used to seem level headed,
look like they are caught in a vortex of lies, they believe.
...and they may see you, as no longer being level headed.

By bending the truth to those around them,
a corrupt politician can rise to power...for a while,
until they are caught, and brought down.

Truth at every level seems straight forward,
but at different levels, those other levels look bent,
or curved, even though each level must be reasonably straight forward.

Truth, from a greater perspective, could be seen to be in layers each being more flatter and more vast than the one below.

Within these layers of truth are intense, but small white lies, which tend to gather in clusters and become beliefs, or even greater spiraling 'isms, and ities

Of course, there must be a way of traveling in this layered universe of truth, interspersed with greater concentrations of white lies going down, and clearer and vaster layers of truth above.

The fastest one can travel through any layer of truth,
is the speed of thought.
Which can be measured as a frequency,
through the density of little white lies,
in that strata of truth.

As one rises through into higher levels of truth,
the little white lies become darker and denser and smaller, and far below,
as one rises into the infinite vastness of truth.

A lie bends the truth around it,
forming it's own reality that cannot interact with the truth of the universe,
when closely examined, there is nothing there, just bent truth.

Want/desire, is the gravity of the lie, bent truth is what it is made from.
Everybody wants the truth, so they are drawn to the curvature of truth around the lie, which they can't see, below the bent truth around it.

Like the matter and energy of the universe,
lies descend inward, and truth radiates outward,
at the speed of thought.

...∞i∞...
GroundPounder
thanks for sharing lunk.
elreb
In the film “The Good Shepherd”, Michael Gambon as Dr. Fredericks spoke of the “Truth” as being bent and the non-truth as being a straight line.

He said lies were hidden in layers of truth.


"Quit... while you still have a soul" Bad dog...
Tamborine man
Only the Truth can ever be proven. Simply because it's the Truth.

It is in it's nature to be proven - to be revealed.

Lies can only be shown - can only be pointed out.

For only when Truth is revealed, does the lie become obvious.


Wonder if i'm getting this right!?


Cheers
elreb
In Pseudo-religions like Mormonism, Scientology and aspects of Christianity…the “Truth” is the last thing taken into consideration.

The “reliability” upon faith and trust in un-trustworthy concepts invokes beliefs, not resting on logic or material evidence.

In America, right wing, republican politics have gone mad with never telling the truth. They promote hate and violence on all levels and sadly it is working.

Jessep: You can't handle the truth!

Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You?
lunk
Yes, but it is the same, single, awareness and consciousness, within each.
And if, we were all, ever to know this, there would be no need for guns.

...but, there are still a lot of people who don't want to know this,
and worse, they have the biggest guns.
Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Oct 28 2010, 05:04 PM) *
In Pseudo-religions like Mormonism, Scientology and aspects of Christianity…the “Truth” is the last thing taken into consideration.

The “reliability” upon faith and trust in un-trustworthy concepts invokes beliefs, not resting on logic or material evidence.

In America, right wing, republican politics have gone mad with never telling the truth. They promote hate and violence on all levels and sadly it is working.

Jessep: You can't handle the truth!

Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You?



Well spoken, elreb, so damn True.

Beautiful input. Nothing to add.


much cheers
Tamborine man
QUOTE (lunk @ Oct 28 2010, 11:16 PM) *
Yes, but it is the same, single, awareness and consciousness, within each.
And if, we were all, ever to know this, there would be no need for guns.

...but, there are still a lot of people who don't want to know this,
and worse, they have the biggest guns.



Guns cannot kill the soul nor the spirit. Guns are mere illusions and therefore
worthless. So are the people who aggressively use them to 'physically' kill others.

Thought i should just add this little snippet to your otherwise true and wise comment!

Cheers
elreb
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Nov 1 2010, 03:19 AM) *
Well spoken, elreb, so damn True.

Beautiful input. Nothing to add.


Now I’m speechless…imagine that!
Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Oct 30 2010, 05:26 PM) *
Now I’m speechless…imagine that!



Unimaginable! thumbsup.gif


Cheers
elreb
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Nov 2 2010, 02:23 PM) *
Unimaginable! thumbsup.gif


In the recent mid-term elections, Hawaii was the only State that stayed “True Blue” and voted in all Democrats. We are a very “People Centric” environment and the land is the ʻāina that is closest to ones heart, or where there kūpuna (elders) live.

Inā he Hawaiʻi ʻoe ma ke koko a i ole ma ka puʻuwai, e kū ʻoe me ka haʻaheo! Hōʻike ʻoe i kou haʻaheo i kau lāhui a me ke aloha i ka ʻāina a me ka honua holoʻokoʻa!

The more of us that show our love of the ʻāina, (land) the stronger we are, and the closer we will be to regaining our independence!

lunk
Yes, the big island of Hawaii is on exactly the same latitude as the pyramid of the sun, in Mexico.
(i zoomed in on google maps to the big island, and panned East)

We live in a universe of volumes,
so geometry must be a fundamental construct.
elreb
Funny but you are right…

I checked it out…very interesting

And like Mexico…Hawaii needed outside influences to bring change.

The three things Europeans brought to Hawaii were spam, toilet paper and cigarettes…

As an extra bonus, they also brought taxes!
Sanders
How bizarre. I live in Japan, and when you mention spam one can only think of Okinawan food ... Okinawa food is famous, or notorious, for having spam in everything. Okinawa too, same latitude as Mexico, nearly the same as Hawaii. dunno.gif
elreb
QUOTE (Sanders @ Nov 4 2010, 02:33 PM) *
How bizarre. I live in Japan, and when you mention spam one can only think of Okinawan food ... Okinawa food is famous, or notorious, for having spam in everything. Okinawa too, same latitude as Mexico, nearly the same as Hawaii. dunno.gif


SPAM is apparently a WWII food because the Philippines like it too especially with rice.

In Florida we called it “Hurricane” food because it would last a long time.

Our dogs wouldn’t even eat it. Heck…it is mostly fat and salt!

I send the Hawaiian brand to the mainland as “Gag” food.
elreb
This thread...“Truth is straight forward”... could or should be the “Peanut Galleria”.

Functionally, it would be without conviction…yet…honest comment.

Example:”Ah ha”…this new guy is about to get a cartoon…”Kids down” [Secret word = the door or quiet time

Bad Newbie
Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Nov 2 2010, 10:01 PM) *
Funny but you are right…

I checked it out…very interesting

And like Mexico…Hawaii needed outside influences to bring change.

The three things Europeans brought to Hawaii were spam, toilet paper and cigarettes…

As an extra bonus, they also brought taxes!



According to the Monty Python mob, it seems that the Vikings (we kings) couldn't get enough of SPAM!

Shouldn't surprise me if there's a certain amount of truth to this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE


Cheers
elreb
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Nov 4 2010, 07:09 PM) *
According to the Monty Python mob, it seems that the Vikings (we kings) couldn't get enough of SPAM!

Shouldn't surprise me if there's a certain amount of truth to this.


1% of people care about SPAM, the rest just wants to laugh at you.

People will take interest, not because they want to create their own personal database of SPAM meals.

They follow along purely to watch you eat things they find so disgusting that dogs would not eat it, hoping today is the day for your life-flight to the hospital.
GroundPounder
menu item #1: spam, spam, eggs and spam.
lunk
Where is your spam from (the canned meat stuff)?

i think mine comes in tins from Brazil.
(one of the luxuries of camping)
elreb
If people ate Spam exclusively we'd solve the Social Security crisis in a generation. Nobody would live long enough to collect.

Previously, Hormel marketers concede, people thought of Spam as something you kept in the basement in case the refrigerator went out during a nuclear war.

In Hawaii, Burger King began serving Spam in 2007 on its menu to compete with the local McDonald's chains. In Hawaii, Spam is so popular it is sometimes dubbed "The Hawaiian Steak".

Island residents consume more than five million pounds of Spam a year, an average of about 16 cans for every man, woman and child. There are more varieties of Spam sold in Hawaii than anywhere else. There is Spam Garlic, along with Spam Bacon, Spam with Cheese, Spam with Tabasco, Spam Turkey and Spam Jam, which featured more sodium and more fat.
elreb
Passengers aboard cruise ship Carnival Splendor are ’safe and healthy,’ Coast Guard says.

The U.S. Navy on Tuesday airlifted more than 70,000 pounds of canned Spam and Pop-Tarts.

The Navy also airlifted plastic utensils and plates.

The USS Ronald Reagan tried to ease the burden Tuesday by air-lifting 65,000 pounds of Spam, Pop-Tarts and other supplies onto the deck of the Carnival Splendor -- "anything that doesn't need to be cooked or refrigerated," a Coast Guard spokesman told AOL News today. It's not caviar, but given the circumstances, it will have to do.
Tamborine man
Never tried the stuff, but having now been subjected to this relentless

advertising campaign about this product, i now find myself having this

irresistible urge to rush down to the nearest supermarket and buy one

of these cans to find out what all the fuss is about.

Although, before i do, i'm going to pour myself another glass of red just

to test whether my willpower is 'up shit creek' or not.


Actually, on second thought, it could be interesting to find out if SPAM

goes well with a glass of red, or not, so this is another added challenge

i now have to consider.

Think i might as well go for the third glass, to think tings through more

properly!

It seems to me, all of a sudden, that this SPAM business could go on for

quite a while yet!!


Cheers
elreb
Brother Tam…you had better keep the entire bottle if you are going to eat this “Crap”.

That’s the joke…it is really bad and bad for you.

Danish Crown is: The world´s third largest – and Europe´s second largest – pig slaughtering business…
Tulip Ltd. sells canned foods, and the company also sells SPAM and Stagg products for Hormel Foods International in the UK market.



JUST IN...

Some already are calling it the Spam cruise. And the four-day ordeal for passengers this week on the fire-damaged Carnival Splendor even appears to have resulted in the coining of a new word, "Spamcation."

But Carnival now is disputing the notion that Spam ever was served on the disabled vessel after it lost power Monday off the coast of Mexico.

"Despite media reports to the contrary, Carnival Splendor guests were never served Spam!" the line said in a terse tweet sent out today from its official Twitter account at 2:44 pm ET.

Reminded that the U.S. Navy had sent news outlets photos of its personnel delivering Spam to the ship on Tuesday, a spokesman for Carnival contacted by USA TODAY acknowledged that Spam was taken aboard the ship but says it never was passed on to passengers.
Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Nov 9 2010, 02:39 PM) *
Brother Tam…you had better keep the entire bottle if you are going to eat this “Crap”.

That’s the joke…it is really bad and bad for you.

Danish Crown is: The world´s third largest – and Europe´s second largest – pig slaughtering business…
Tulip Ltd. sells canned foods, and the company also sells SPAM and Stagg products for Hormel Foods International in the UK market.



JUST IN...

Some already are calling it the Spam cruise. And the four-day ordeal for passengers this week on the fire-damaged Carnival Splendor even appears to have resulted in the coining of a new word, "Spamcation."

But Carnival now is disputing the notion that Spam ever was served on the disabled vessel after it lost power Monday off the coast of Mexico.

"Despite media reports to the contrary, Carnival Splendor guests were never served Spam!" the line said in a terse tweet sent out today from its official Twitter account at 2:44 pm ET.

Reminded that the U.S. Navy had sent news outlets photos of its personnel delivering Spam to the ship on Tuesday, a spokesman for Carnival contacted by USA TODAY acknowledged that Spam was taken aboard the ship but says it never was passed on to passengers.


Bloody oath: "By appointment to the Royal Danish Court"!!

Hope the little son of the crown prince and the Australian

princess Mary doesn't get this served for lunch every other

day!


Happy to say that i never made it to the supermarket.

Became 'slightly' inebriated, so the 'red' probably saved

my life - by the sound of it. wink.gif

Cheers
elreb
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Nov 12 2010, 04:13 AM) *
Bloody oath: "By appointment to the Royal Danish Court"!!

Hope the little son of the crown prince and the Australian princess Mary doesn't get this served for lunch every other day!


Tie Me Kangaroo Down, Sport…Let me “Abo” go loose, Bruce…

Mary Donaldson met Fred in a pub in Sydney, where the Crown Prince attended the 2000 Summer Olympics… a modern fairytale romance between the crown prince and an Australian-born commoner.

I didn’t know that!
Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Nov 10 2010, 09:01 PM) *
Tie Me Kangaroo Down, Sport…Let me “Abo” go loose, Bruce…

Mary Donaldson met Fred in a pub in Sydney, where the Crown Prince attended the 2000 Summer Olympics… a modern fairytale romance between the crown prince and an Australian-born commoner.

I didn’t know that!



Not only that! My wife is from Hobart, Tasmania. She came to Denmark
and dragged me down to Australia. (We also met in a pub).

Frederik came to Australia, found Mary, also from Hobart, Tasmania, and
dragged her back to Denmark.

I think that all in all, this swap seems quite justified and appears to be
to everybody's satisfaction.
At least i haven't heard anybody from the two countries envolved complaining
yet about having been dealt a bad hand! wink.gif

Cheers
elreb
And let’s not forget the swashbuckling American actor, Errol Flynn who was also born in Hobart, Tasmania, where his father, Theodore Thomson Flynn, was a lecturer and later professor of biology at the University of Tasmania.

Flynn, living at Sydney, New South Wales in 1926, attended Sydney Church of England Grammar School (Shore School) where he was the classmate of future Australian Prime Minister, John Gorton.

Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Nov 11 2010, 03:17 PM) *
And let’s not forget the swashbuckling American actor, Errol Flynn who was also born in Hobart, Tasmania, where his father, Theodore Thomson Flynn, was a lecturer and later professor of biology at the University of Tasmania.

Flynn, living at Sydney, New South Wales in 1926, attended Sydney Church of England Grammar School (Shore School) where he was the classmate of future Australian Prime Minister, John Gorton.



So true, elreb.

The former Prime Minister Gordon has been completely forgotten, while Flynn lives on.
This same thing happens to 99% of all Prime Ministers and presidents around the world,
and it's a bit amazing they not yet are getting the message through their thick skull why
this is so!!

As a young boy i saw Flynn as 'Robin Hood', and thought then that the light was shinning
out his bum!

So yes, think i'm in good company, and rather happy i became acquainted with beautiful
Tasmania.

Cheers
elreb
From what I can tell, Prime Ministers, Presidents and Actors are all “Actors”.

Where as an “Actor” may have a well-developed imagination, and the ability to interpret drama, a President or Prime Minister has the ability create drama.

American Presidents can turn fantasy into reality and reality into fantasy. The “Truth” is never straight forward! In some cases, the truth is not allowed but imagination and improvisation is.

The “Political” stage is a long and continues platform of constant memory blackouts, soaring prices and continually deteriorating conditions for the ordinary people.



Just in... Danish scientists opened the Prague tomb of Danish astronomer Tycho Brahe on Monday in an attempt to discover what killed the alchemist in 1601
Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Nov 13 2010, 04:16 PM) *
From what I can tell, Prime Ministers, Presidents and Actors are all “Actors”.

Where as an “Actor” may have a well-developed imagination, and the ability to interpret drama, a President or Prime Minister has the ability create drama.

American Presidents can turn fantasy into reality and reality into fantasy. The “Truth” is never straight forward! In some cases, the truth is not allowed but imagination and improvisation is.

The “Political” stage is a long and continues platform of constant memory blackouts, soaring prices and continually deteriorating conditions for the ordinary people.



Just in... Danish scientists opened the Prague tomb of Danish astronomer Tycho Brahe on Monday in an attempt to discover what killed the alchemist in 1601


So true.

Yes i read about Tycho Brahe.

They're trying to find out whether Kepler murdered him, or if he choked on a celery-stick!

We should know more about this sometime in 2011. rolleyes.gif

Cheers
elreb
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Nov 16 2010, 08:20 PM) *
They're trying to find out whether Kepler murdered him, or if he choked on a celery-stick!

“It’s going a little slowly. It could have been easier if the modern tombstone, from 1901, had been placed directly on the vault, and not set in concrete. The concrete was a little difficult to remove, so it took a bit longer than we expected. But I hope it will be done today.”

“Why should someone kill him? He was a very nice and pleasant person.

“We are also very interested in Tycho Brahe’s wife to see what condition her remains are in. We want to compare her bones with Tycho’s remains to see if she took medicine with mercury during her life. It was perhaps usual that people took such medicine; if this was the case, it was then not uncommon that he took such medicine before he died.”

It's about his nose...
lunk
By by Big Bang.
http://www.media.inaf.it/2010/12/14/ammasso-record/

QUOTE
"according to the standard paradigm of galaxy formation, these galaxies should not even exist, why should they be formed when the universe is much older." Not only that: "The sequence of red galaxies," he adds Andreon, "is made up of galaxies whose last episode of star formation has happened in their distant past." Too bad that the galaxies JKCS041 can not have a "far past", since that date back to when the universe was just 3 billion years. In short, it seems the time has come to start thinking about how to rewrite the front pages of the history of galaxies.

(translated from Italian)

Italian video download link on red shifted distant objects:

http://www.media.inaf.it/press/jkcs041/andreon-jkcs041.flv

These distant galaxies are older than the big bang.

There was no single point of creation.
We live in a boundless continually growing universe,
outside and within.
There was no beginning,
and there is no end,
where only change,
is the constant.
elreb
QUOTE (lunk @ Dec 16 2010, 01:08 PM) *
By by Big Bang.



I’m with you “Lunk”…just hope the neighborhood RAT does not show up…you can’t close your own threads...
Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Dec 13 2010, 10:54 PM) *
“It’s going a little slowly. It could have been easier if the modern tombstone, from 1901, had been placed directly on the vault, and not set in concrete. The concrete was a little difficult to remove, so it took a bit longer than we expected. But I hope it will be done today.”

“Why should someone kill him? He was a very nice and pleasant person.

“We are also very interested in Tycho Brahe’s wife to see what condition her remains are in. We want to compare her bones with Tycho’s remains to see if she took medicine with mercury during her life. It was perhaps usual that people took such medicine; if this was the case, it was then not uncommon that he took such medicine before he died.”

It's about his nose...




You could very well be right, elreb!

Looks like he used a replaceable nose.

Each one for a different occasion .....perhaps!


Cheers
elreb
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Dec 17 2010, 07:01 PM) *
each one for a different occasion .....perhaps!

What's this about you being a "Straw man"?
Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Dec 16 2010, 10:02 PM) *
What's this about you being a "Straw man"?



Obviously the man must be psychic, as once a year, here where i live,

we become inundated with bloody straw-filled scarecrows up to our ears,

so it's almost impossible to resist becoming one of the kind yourself!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIXDc_Mms0c...feature=related


Cheers
lunk
QUOTE (elreb @ Dec 16 2010, 03:21 PM) *
I’m with you “Lunk”…just hope the neighborhood RAT does not show up…you can’t close your own threads...


On a side note.
My municipality has brought in recycling. Which is picked up about 2 times a month with the regular weakly garbage collection. Most folks keep their recycling outside, the result has been an increase in rats in the neighborhood, as they now have a year round food supply of pizza boxes.
This has lead to a war on rats in my neighborhood.
Rat traps sales skyrocketed.
The rat problem disappeared.

I found an old rat nest under my compost heap.
No rat, but it was full of empty snail shells,
(all with a little hole in them, where the rat had ate the snail inside.)
Last spring, my neighbour, who had trapped at least 9 rats,
was complaining that she had never seen so many snails in her garden ever.

i think i am the only one who recognized that the rat problem,
was caused by the recycling program.

Now, we have a much bigger snail problem.
So there is a benefit to having a few rats around.

...when it comes to gardening.
elreb
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Dec 18 2010, 06:48 PM) *
Obviously the man must be psychic, as once a year, here where i live,

You actually live in Tamborine Mountain, Queensland?
Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Dec 17 2010, 09:32 PM) *
You actually live in Tamborine Mountain, Queensland?



Ah, good old Michael! Yes i know him well.

He keeps on getting gold medals for his unique liqueurs,

but it's actually his russian wife who are the brains behind

it all ......i think!

Good find, elreb

Cheers
elreb
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Dec 19 2010, 04:43 PM) *
Ah, good old Michael! Yes i know him well.

Now be honest…is this why you are the Tamborine Man?
Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Dec 19 2010, 12:37 AM) *
Now be honest…is this why you are the Tamborine Man?



To be perfectly honest, i desire neither to confirm nor deny this vile

accusation, alluding to my seemingly lack of originality, of ability, yea

even laziness, to choose a more exotic, a more dazzling user name! cool.gif wink.gif


Cheers
lunk
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Dec 21 2010, 04:31 AM) *
To be perfectly honest, i desire neither to confirm nor deny this vile

accusation, alluding to my seemingly lack of originality, of ability, yea

even laziness, to choose a more exotic, a more dazzling user name! cool.gif wink.gif


Cheers


lunk
waz
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Tamborine man
It's

all

elrebs

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elreb
Look how complex my name is…

REB are my initials, El can mean = "the" or = "god"

A rebel who wins is a hero and a hero is a Elreb

I wonder what “Lunk” means


Sanders...Dragon blood line just broke 40,000...something Rats can't do...
lunk
Strange how people interact superficially anonymously, on line.

Someone should do a study.

...and so many "handles" have a number with them...

Years ago, before i had an internet,
i was doing even more bizarre things.
Going from place to place, singing songs,
and playing original music for diverse audiences,
with a band.
Of course, having a band, means having a name.
So way back then, i was making up names,
just so we had something to introduce our selves by.
(we were a 3 piece, called the 2LeeS!).

Although, we became very tight as a band, locally,
i had no idea then, that the route to success in the music industry,
was controlled by monetary interests,
rather than actual, original, talent.
And that still goes on to this day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq_3zu7WWaA
Used and tossed.

So, i see a "handle" (for me) as a poetic license of a sort,
that can still allow ideas and creativity to grow,
unencumbered and unlimited,
by a real name.

Although, for a descriptive word, "lunk",
seems to suit well, for me,
if you haven't noticed.
elreb
My take…

[Is that really you?] [BeautifulGirl…By Dana]



I live in the real world and the other world I see…lives in a mirror

Only I see the real world which is a negative reflection of the apparent world…others live in…
lunk
Fascinating reading at

http://www.elreb.com/

a little different from my reading on everything:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=19284

(it's gone off in a few wrong directions,
but i think, it has actually come to some rather real,
though seemingly mundane,
starling conclusions, along its' path.)
elreb
rolleyes.gif

Watching Dana is better than MSNBC...

http://wn.com/BeautifulGirlByDana
elreb
http://www.ratedesi.com/video/v/TFRODZA75W...Review-48-Volts


This is what I need…in Hawaii…get drunk and not fall over…
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