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elreb



It’s all about a mile away…except for the Pineapples…which closed down

My Oncologist ‘Doc Park” is the best on the Island…

Alexander and Baldwin...that go back to the “Christian” days…started in sugarcane but later got into shipping via Matson and pineapples/coffee. They were the second largest land owners…they are the ones who own and sell real estate around here…[A & B properties]
albertchampion
is that you about to make a strike?

i have several funny stories about kapalua.

as you know, laurance rockefeller created kapalua. as i recall, he opened it in 1979.

my family stayed there that year or the next year for christmas.

i had given up golf in 1975. i was a walking golfer and had a scratch game on my local courses' front nine go to bogey golf on the back nine.

i used haig ultras.

i hated golf carts. considered them anathema.

but at kapalua, as a resort course, using carts was mandatory. i decided to play the course. having no clubs with me, i rented clubs from the course. those clubs were interesting. they were the first version of karsten solheim's pings. my sister was my driver and spotter. i shot the lights out of the course. scratch rounds. i was puzzled by my performance, but it rekindled my interest in golf.

so much so, that i wanted to play a final 18 before we departed maui for hnl, dfw, iah. so, my sister and i were the first to start out the morning of our departure[6am]. my game was on fire. behind us was a japanese entourage with cameras, etc. i did not think much about that entourage at that time. when we finished my round, i think i learned that a japanese professional by the name of isao[sic] aoki was playing behind us.

fast forward a year or two. i was flying JAL either from hnl to nrt or vice versa. and during the flight, the first class screen exploded with a film of golf at kapalua. i decided to watch. the film featured isao aoki. this whetted my interest. it was the film made that morning. and though aoki was in the foreground, there was me and my sister in the background. for all 18. i laughed so hard that i almost choked.

if i decide to tell it, my next kapalua golf excursion involves my becoming caught up in a yakusa golf holiday.
Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Mar 14 2011, 06:31 PM) *
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It’s all about a mile away…except for the Pineapples…which closed down

My Oncologist ‘Doc Park” is the best on the Island…

Alexander and Baldwin...that go back to the “Christian” days…started in sugarcane but later got into shipping via Matson and pineapples/coffee. They were the second largest land owners…they are the ones who own and sell real estate around here…[A & B properties]



Blimey! That golf commentator talks funny .... would that be called "yell-talk" in Hawaii?

Note that the finger-scratch bloke Geoff Ogilvy is actually Australian .......just letting you know! wink.gif

cheers
Omega892R09
QUOTE (albertchampion @ Mar 14 2011, 05:01 AM) *
i have had enough rads this last 12 months, and my oncologist says that i am going to get some more. odd isn't it, more radiation to identify a disease, cure a disease, that radiation may have caused.

You as well eh!

Between you elreb and myself TNWO has no need to worry as we probably ain't going to be around for that much longer, but then I don't know your exact prognosis.

I had a scare a few years back when after a very bad heart attack and being left with inoperable damage except for a stent in one cardiac artery (another being completely knocked out but not worth fixing due to the heart damage) I was under a haematology and renal consultants (due to blood supply inhibited kidney failure) with regular blood and urine tests. My GP rang me within hours of a visit to these consultants to tell me they suspected MM. More bloods and bone marrow sampling ensued and the final diagnosis was MGUS - there's a relief - just hope that doesnt turn. Meanwhile I have Raynaud's to keep me happy.

BTW during the heart attack event, myocardial infarction, I knew little except for a brief out of body - I was later told that by all accounts I was dead until resus' eventually got a result. Life after death - from my experience I don't think so no recollection of anything across the Styx. Physically impaired as I am I am damned lucky to still be around and got to know three grandsons that I would otherwise not have.


BBTW about all that gold, be careful AC it can be radioactive.








Only joking! thumbsup.gif
Tamborine man
In 2004 i had a treble bi-pass operation.

Luckily it happened in Denmark.

In Australia they didn't want to know about me because i told them i was a 'smoker'.

After the operation the surgeon clapped me on the shoulder and said to me: "Don't worry,
you'll get at least 15 years after this"!

Omega, your body will 'die', but YOU will live on. This is an absolute fact.

But, of course, don't take my word for it. Only your good self can come to this conclusion.

To read this thread from the start might just convince you .......who knows!

Cheers
Omega892R09
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Mar 15 2011, 01:41 PM) *
To read this thread from the start might just convince you .......who knows!

I doubt it. I was born into a household very much infused with religion my mother being the daughter of a Baptist minister. I used to attend Sunday School and Church on a regular basis and helped with a youth group.

That minister, my grandfather, had visions of me going into the ministry. I got it wrong and ended up with the Ministry of Defence! laugh.gif Although when I began, The Admiralty was still a separate entity.

Now I got to know much of The Bible, indeed I studied for and sat extra-curricula exams in Scripture Studies and coming top in the region for the year. However it wasn't long after that before my interests in the sciences biology, chemistry and physics began to raise doubts in my mind. I had to fight to be able to study all three sciences through to the final year in a grammar school where languages were big - not much help to somebody as I now know suffered from dyslexia.

My science lessons continued in the RN albeit slanted towards a hands on career in engineering - a full five year apprenticeship. Soon after, my wider reading led me way from religion as I began to see the flaws in it and particularly the way that so called Christians behaved. Yes I am aware that some think beyond the established religions but that seems to me to just replace one god with another. Later in life I was fortunate enough to attend university and believe you me there was a group of us, mostly mature students such as I, who used to challenge the established orthodoxy in a number of areas but being maths and science specialists we developed an even stronger grasp of the scientific way and what it offers to society. If only society abandons wishy-washy pseudo science and the belief in strange things (homeopathy and dowsing both demonstrated to fail in double blind tests). The science of earth studies has moved on somewhat since then and it is this that informs my opinion on a number of topics, such as tectonics and climate (I was once lined up for a spell at the Met' Office where computing, aviation and meteorological understanding came together but chose a different path for personal, family, reasons), by providing proven facts, facts from independent research which provided validity checking.
elreb
I think that a step in the positive direction is the knowledge of the structures of religion and spirituality.

Organized religions have “Not” done mankind any favors, as they provoke fear and violence.

The thirst of greed…for power and wealth… has blinded men into killing fields. What ever happen to “Thou shall not kill”?

To some degree, the force of darkness is “Religion” because it does not bring Enlightenment. What happen to “Thou shall be Honest, honorable, fair, genuine and loyal”?

People should be taught the fundamental nature of “Being” and the “World”.

...to live in shared peace and brotherhood…
lunk
i was, completely here, before i developed a mind.
So "i" cannot be a creation of my mind.
But my mind is a creation of "i"!
And outside what we know, or have learned, that "i" is defined, in the same way, by each of us.

Go look for "another"
there is no other.
It's just "me" expressed through nature and nurture, simultaneously, as a different extension of "me".

Our minds may differ, but the central essence of each our minds, are all the same "i".

i think. this is a pretty desirable idea, that explains a lot.
It's a little bit startling to discover who you am.
Tamborine man
More Wisdom from elreb and Lunk. So nice!

That WE continue to Live and Exist, after the 'death' of the physical body, has naturally nothing whatsoever
to do with "religion" as presented by its many-varied doctrines around the globe.

All 'religions' has to a greater or lesser degree been 'painted' by human thoughts. Original text has been
deleted and new text added to satisfy the desires and ambitions of the "religious" authorities at the time, in
order to exert yet more control over the uneducated masses.
(Some weird changes made by the church council of Nicaea in the year 325 A.D., and further by the church
council of Constantinople in the year 381 A.D., is a good example of this)!

Thus the question about whether WE survive 'death' simply boils down to a 'Yes' or 'No' answer. Nothing more,
as any 'qualification' would be completely superfluous: If Life continue for a single individual, it continues for
ALL individuals, no matter what 'faith' or 'belief' or 'opinion' the person adheres to, and no matter whether a
person is 'good' or 'bad'.

Or as Lunk puts it: We all evolve and develop individually from the same 'i'.

This thread therefore, is simply trying to show that there's overwhelming evidence that we in fact do Live on
after 'death', thereby supporting all the highly enlightened personalities who throughout the history of
humankind have left their indelible marks in whichever country they appeared.

It is of course perfectly understood if you Omega, do not think you're ready yet to seek confirmation about
this important question, as it is a commonly known fact that the older human beings get, the harder it is for
them to change their perceptions and leave behind long held "embedded" views.
So no worries, Omega!

Cheers
Omega892R09
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Mar 16 2011, 04:43 AM) *
This thread therefore, is simply trying to show that there's overwhelming evidence that we in fact do Live on
after 'death', thereby supporting all the highly enlightened personalities who throughout the history of
humankind have left their indelible marks in whichever country they appeared.

If I read that correctly you mean that the deeds and thinking of a human lives on in the culture that nurtured it, some maybe in print (even I have managed that) or its electronic counterpart, but even these media are ephemeral in the longer term.

I think that once human kind has obliterated itself there wiull in effect be nothing left except perhaps for some future intelligent life form to discover and interpret but distorted through the lenses of their own particular values and culture.

As for us, there is nothing physical for a 'soul' to cling to. So in that sense there can be no life after death.
Tamborine man
QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Mar 16 2011, 10:31 AM) *
If I read that correctly you mean that the deeds and thinking of a human lives on in the culture that nurtured it, some maybe in print (even I have managed that) or its electronic counterpart, but even these media are ephemeral in the longer term.

I think that once human kind has obliterated itself there wiull in effect be nothing left except perhaps for some future intelligent life form to discover and interpret but distorted through the lenses of their own particular values and culture.

As for us, there is nothing physical for a 'soul' to cling to. So in that sense there can be no life after death.



No Omega, unfortunately you're not reading that correctly.

I was more referring to highly intelligent personalities from the past, who more than ever are being studied
in this day and age.
For example people like Toth, Hermes, Zarathustra, Socrates, Plato, Buddha, Lao-tze, Kung-tze, Meng-tze,
Akhnaten, Mani, Pythagoras, Jesus of Nazareth (speech on the Mount), Boethius, Blake, Dürer, Kierkegaard,
and a multitude of many many others one could name.

The so-called 'soul' which carry our Thought and Will, consist of very very fine particles, made from the Light,
with a much much higher frequency of vibrations than the molecular oscillations of Darkness (the oscillations
of its largest particles), which produce the earthly forms and figures visible to the human eye. These are held
together and stabilized by the somewhat faster oscillations of the astral Darkness.

'If the molecules of Darkness were not stabilized by astral Darkness, then the molecules would easily loosen
and dissociate because of their lower frequency. Therefore, all earthly forms of plants and animal, all organic
and inorganic matter and all that is issued from or made thereof have an astral counterpart, invisible to the
human eye, consisting of the faster oscillations of astral Darkness, i. e., smaller particles with greater capacity
for cohesion and adhesion.
These astral counterparts are interwoven with the earthly substance in such a way that even from the
transcendental world it can be difficult to determine where one ends and the other begins.'

It is this astral counterpart which separates from the physical body at the time of 'death', and this astral body
continue then to carry around the so-called 'soul' together with the Thought and Will, much the same way as
our physical body does it while we live on Earth.
(it will have no impact on the astral counterpart, if the physical body is destroyed by fire or explosions and the
like).

Much more can be explained, and more has already been explained in previous posts.

Cheers
elreb
Aten or Atan “Lord of Light”


Those who accepted Akhenaten the Great as their “Lord” could achieve immortality by evolving to the third life.

One school of thought was the living of three LIVES.

The first LIFE is “Lord of Light” [Atan]
The second LIFE is the unrevealed Life..."the Life which is no Life" [Amun}
The third LIFE is the architect of the Visible Universe {Osiris]

The “Ba” was most important because it contained your thoughts when you were alive…more or less your intellectual DNA.
The “Ka” was simply the aspect of being alive and could move on when the organic body died.

Your “Ba” would remain in limbo until it found a fresh “Ka” of the next LIFE

After evolving to the third LIFE you became immortal

a “KEY” to the other world where the gods live

Another factor in eternal life is the Ankh…that actually reads as “eternal life” but can also indicate life and living.

It was the light and the “Enlightenment” achieved…that was considered as the highest god or achievement...


Note: I just realized that the “Holy Spirit” came from the Vine.
King Tut…the son of god…had 36 jars of wine…in his tomb...haha holy spirits...
elreb
Brother Tam, Lunk and Omega…

Not that I sponsor redundancy…but…our threads are picked up on Google.

Most folks…do not…read the entire thread…therefore…we re-position or restate our thoughts “every once in a while”!

Personally, I do not “place” it all on the table at once…just so I can get others to come back…to find out…what comes next…
lunk
My thoughts are still evolving.

i live in a universe of infinite space,
that i divided my time,
and got this.
elreb
QUOTE (lunk @ Mar 18 2011, 03:07 PM) *
My thoughts are still evolving.

Me too...
lunk
Knowing that you are are a point of consciousness,
surrounded by nothing but infinite space, with nothing but time,
what would you do?

what could be done?

imagine two other points in that space,
how do you measure their distance apart?
by the fastest speed there is. light.
the measure of a distance, is the length of time it takes light, to travel, that distance, unimpeded.
So a duration of time is a length, or distance.
As time can be divided forever 1/2 1/4 1/8...
Distance can be divided forever, too.
Everything is reliant on time,
and time runs slower toward a large point center of gravity,
so the distance must increase closer to, a large center of gravity.

Sort of like how the airport appears tiny at 10,000 feet,
but is really much bigger at ground level.
Yet even at 10,000 feet, we know the airport is not really small.

We must magnify both the very small, and the very far away,
just to know if there is something there.
And there always is, something smaller, and something farther away.
And it is all one infinite space, divided by time, in scale forever.

Starts as one,
contains the one,
and passes on,
as one.

i think somebody mathematically discovered that there are more fractions within one, then there are real numbers made out of one.

i take this to mean, that there is more within each of us,
than outside of ourselves

...by one.
Tamborine man
Forgive me Lunk,

but in the name of 'sweet accuracy', i think it pertinent to mention that probably most people
by far, reading your post, would be under the impression that the 'light' you're talking about
is the material 'light' we observe with the naked eye!
This 'light' is in fact a product of Darkness and is not very fast compared to the speed of 'Light'
produced by "The Light".
The following quotes are reminders of what we have been talking about in earlier posts:


".......
The terms Light and Darkness, describing the two primal forces, were chosen because these forces
do in fact exist in the same relationship and contrast to each other as do earthly daylight and the
darkness of the night, so familiar to humans on Earth. And, as the earthly night and day display
numerous transitions from dusk to deep darkness and from dawn to bright sunlight, so do the two
primal forces display a wealth of transitions and degrees of strength; however, these cannot be
more accurately clarified or defined here. But in order to achieve at least a partial understanding of
the primal forces, one should imagine both Darkness and the Light divided into three main categories,
according to the size of the particles as follows:

1) material, or molecular Darkness (small particles); 2) astral Darkness (smaller particles);
3) spiritual Darkness (smaller particles yet).

1) Astral-material Light (very fine particles); 2) ethereal-astral Light (still finer particles);
3) ethereal Light (much finer particles yet).

The size of the particles is thus constantly decreasing. In relation to God’s Kingdom or to God, the scale
of ethereal-material, spiritual and spiritual-ethereal Light is used. However, it should be remembered
that all these designations, whether they relate to Darkness or to the Light, must be regarded only as
a means of identification.
......."

".......
As soon as the particles escape human sense perception they take the forms of the four-dimensional world.
Transitional forms nevertheless exist between the three- and four-dimensional states wherein the particles
can be sensed at one moment and escape human sense perception the next, depending on whether a material
or an immaterial influence predominates at that moment. Similarly, there exist forms in which the presence of
particles can be recognized but not perceived. These particles then belong on the boundary between the three-
and four-dimensional worlds and can deflect to manifest on either side.
......."

".......
It must always be borne in mind that the term “Darkness” should be understood by humans purely as a
designation for a power that manifests in many different ways in the earthly world. This power may therefore
also appear as radiations visible to the human eye as light.
......."

".......
Between the lowest and the highest frequencies (that is, rates of vibration) of the Darkness extends an
extremely wide range of rapidity, concentration and radiation that manifests itself in numerous material
and immaterial forms, for example:
1) energy, such as electricity, electromagnetism, steam power, and so forth;
2) radiation, such as sunlight (solar rays of the lower and lowest frequencies originating in the sun’s core
of Darkness), phosphorescent light, artificial light (produced by electricity, gas, oil, etc.), heat, radioactivity,
and so forth;
3) matter and substance; and a great many other forms as yet unknown to humanity.
......."
Etc. etc.

I would warmly encourage readers to further study the true nature of the true Light, as the subject is above
fascinating; it is in fact essential to our 'life' - essential to our very existence!

"By One"?

Let us open up a whole new world about the "one",

in more ways than one,

and in more than one post to come!

Cheers
albertchampion
probably irrelevant, but i love the light at my residence this time of year. how it excites the azaleas to bloom radiantly. how it excites the ajuga and all the other flowering plants that surround me.

how it awakens the perfumes of all the blossoms. and invites all the nectar starved hummingbirds, flutterbyes, to the light-stimulated feast.

and the honeybees appear to have returned this year. haven't seen them for a couple of years. some apiarist is going to be very pleased.

and when i survey the effects of this light, i am certain that there is that other more invisible light within it.
lunk
QUOTE (albertchampion @ Mar 26 2011, 03:54 PM) *
probably irrelevant, but i love the light at my residence this time of year. how it excites the azaleas to bloom radiantly. how it excites the ajuga and all the other flowering plants that surround me.

how it awakens the perfumes of all the blossoms. and invites all the nectar starved hummingbirds, flutterbyes, to the light-stimulated feast.

and the honeybees appear to have returned this year. haven't seen them for a couple of years. some apiarist is going to be very pleased.

and when i survey the effects of this light, i am certain that there is that other more invisible light within it.

i always wondered why,
when the sun finally broke through the clouds,
it felt so good.
Tamborine man
QUOTE (albertchampion @ Mar 24 2011, 10:54 PM) *
probably irrelevant, but i love the light at my residence this time of year. how it excites the azaleas to bloom radiantly. how it excites the ajuga and all the other flowering plants that surround me.

how it awakens the perfumes of all the blossoms. and invites all the nectar starved hummingbirds, flutterbyes, to the light-stimulated feast.

and the honeybees appear to have returned this year. haven't seen them for a couple of years. some apiarist is going to be very pleased.

and when i survey the effects of this light, i am certain that there is that other more invisible light within it.



In another thread just a moment ago, i told you, Albert, to become a Designer in your next life.

I have now changed my mind. I think you should become not only a Designer, but also a Poet.

Cheers
Tamborine man
QUOTE (lunk @ Mar 25 2011, 11:17 AM) *
i always wondered why,
when the sun finally broke through the clouds,
it felt so good.



Looking so much forward to your next lyrics, Lunk!

Cheers
elreb
There is no word for Animal in Lakota…only Brother and Sister



Tamborine man
Beautiful powerful music and images, elreb .......though,

all the 'sisters' in the clip stands out by a mile .......i reckon! yes1.gif
elreb
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Mar 27 2011, 05:13 PM) *
Beautiful powerful music and images, elreb .......though,

Brother Tam,

We have always, been on the same page

This forum has very few sisters…I wonder why?
albertchampion
kar wash
klean your kar
ma
Tamborine man
QUOTE (albertchampion @ Mar 26 2011, 10:44 PM) *
kar wash
klean your kar
ma



Some ones got a KA'R' which is impervious to wash .......

it would be like throwing water on a turd's back!


PS!
I know!
I'm in turd 'mode' at the moment!
It hurts sometime when it really hits
how deeply ignorant governments are
around the world!
Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Mar 26 2011, 02:45 AM) *
Brother Tam,

We have always, been on the same page

This forum has very few sisters…I wonder why?



Me too!

Especially as the sisters would know, should know, that 'we' cannot 'be' without them .......

for what would the "Will" be without the "Thought" ....i wonder!

More or less valuable than a Turtles turd, perhaps? .......again i wonder!
lunk
Why are we here?
Or perhaps more universally, as we all must ask ourselves, why am "i" here?

As i am here,
there must be a reason,
for all is one.
i think that all, outside of me, is somehow contained, all within me.
As all, outside of myself, does not contain me,
then all within me, including me, is greater than all outside of me, by one.
...me.

And the same is true for anyone.


...no wonder everything grows.
albertchampion
and it might have been a lame haiku. i call it LA. bill hicks would have called it HELLA.

i wouldn't have proffered it had you not thought me worthy of being a poet in some future.

oddly, an industrial designer i have been. for decades. still am, though i am winding down. good design, however, has a bit of poetry to it. and a bit of persistence.

and my slide into kars involves my affection for that venue of design. my favorite master of design in that venue was bruno sacco, chief of the benz design bureau. i have a collection of the best of his design bureau.

i love great design. i would love to have my b model baron back. the sweetest, sexiest light twin ever. in my opinion. a real flyer.

when i sold it in 1975 it was because i wasn't staying current. and because flying alone in the metro-houston area had become prohibitive for solo piloting.

i should have mothballed it. never letting it go. still one of the best aircraft designs of all time.

as to your disgruntlement with governments, i share that emotion. it is monstrously depressing that a blackamoor is as homicidal as the slavemasters of the old south.
Tamborine man
QUOTE (lunk @ Mar 27 2011, 02:43 AM) *
Why are we here?
Or perhaps more universally, as we all must ask ourselves, why am "i" here?

As i am here,
there must be a reason,
for all is one.
i think that all, outside of me, is somehow contained, all within me.
As all, outside of myself, does not contain me,
then all within me, including me, is greater than all outside of me, by one.
...me.

And the same is true for anyone.


...no wonder everything grows.



"Why we're here", Lunk, you can get an idea of, by reading the answer to question no. 59:

http://www.toward-the-light.net/Questions%...nswers%202.html



Following is the answer to question no. 60:

".......
Can one say it would have been better for God and all His children if primal Darkness
had never existed and the cosmos had been entirely a world of Light? Or should one agree
with Leibnitz that evil in fact emphasizes the harmony of existence as, say, the shadow sets
off the light in a painting? Can it be said that Darkness was necessary so that spiritual beings
as a result could attain to a deeper and richer development and their joy be otherwise the
greater after a victorious struggle against Darkness?


The inquirer has in fact answered these questions.

The example—shadow accentuating light in a painting—is especially well chosen. A painting without shadow,
even if executed in pure, bright and beautiful colors, would still appear flat, lifeless and uninteresting to the
viewer. And the old saying that happiness becomes greater against a background of sorrow is also perfectly
true.

Darkness was necessary in order for a harmonious and perfected personal Being to arise from primal Thought
and primal Will. And when God thought to create His first children, He knew that at some time he would have
to confront them with Darkness so that through this direct acquaintance they could learn to repudiate its
powers and possibilities for evil. For did He not, they would eternally remain dependent, protected children.
They would then never have become fully developed and integrated personal beings, would never have attained
to the sublime development of their intellectual and emotional life.

If a human being in life on Earth is able to overcome a difficulty, if the individual can ward off the temptations
of Darkness, can overcome a vice or the desire to hurt, sadden or ruin a fellow human, then the victory—be it
ever so small—will always bring joy to the mind, and this gladness will then become a contributing factor to a
richer, deeper and more harmonious emotional life. It should not be necessary to provide any examples, since
most people have experienced such feelings of joy or gladness in their everyday life. Most people have also
experienced the grief and shame resulting when the evil, the Darkness, in life has gained victory over them.
But grief and shame can also contribute to the development of the human personality; for if these feelings are
deep and true, the individual will become more mindful, more careful in thought, word and action. And if people
later succeed in gaining a victory where they formerly failed or were defeated, then the joy of the victory will be
greater and richer. The will for the good and the true grows stronger, the thought and the mind become brighter,
the feelings towards others grow friendlier, kindlier and more loving, and individual humans become more
understanding, more forgiving of the errors, failures, sufferings and sorrows of their fellow beings.

Therefore: Darkness serves to develop that which is good, true, beautiful, loving and harmonious within the
spiritual self. The darker and more painful the background for the victory gained, the purer, the brighter, the
more harmonious, the more understanding will be the personality of the individual who gained the victory.

——————————

The heartfelt joy that God’s first children experienced when they lived in God’s Kingdom under His care, attention
and leadership is best compared to the spontaneous feelings of a young human child. Their joy was harmonious,
was sincere, yet a perfect, jubilant elation—the sublime feeling beyond all human conception—was unknown to
them. The Youngest came to know this feeling the moment they learned that Ardor, their beloved lost brother,
had been redeemed through God’s forgiving love, had been delivered through their struggle against Darkness,
delivered through their victories over the evil and hideousness of Darkness.

Every one of the Eldest and every human spirit will be held fast by this jubilant, sublime feeling when they enter
God’s Kingdom—the Eldest because they have returned to the Home of the Father, and the human spirits because
they have reached the goal of their struggle, the goal of their journeys under the Law of Retribution.

And when all God’s children are gathered together in the Home of the Father, the faint memory of the horror,
suffering, evil and grief of their life in Darkness will for eternity be the background, the shadow that brings out
the perfect harmony, the peaceful beauty and the joy of everlasting life.
......."


These, and previous answers together with the main work, was met with total silence by all the bishops, clergy
and media in Denmark 90 years ago.
Many centuries will probably still come and go, before 'ordinary' people in some numbers will accept the message
given, but i'm more than confident that by far the most, coming to this thread, are all 'extraordinary' people,
which is my experience, and what gives me the courage to now and then quote from this work!

Cheers
lunk
Hmmm, looking back, most of my failures, turned out to really be my successes.
But, success or failure, both are experiences, that add to ones' knowledge.
And "one" cannot be "all knowing" in anything, without experiences.

There is the outer world, and ones' inner world.
The outer world is the physical manifestation, of this one universe, where the existence of things are known to one.
The inner world is where the non-existence of things is unknown to one.
Each of us is the creator of our own inner world.
And just a subject in this outer world.

In the blink of an eye, the outer world will, inevitably, vanish from us,
and each will be left, with just our inner world, once again.
This is the domain of the "i", where the non-existence of things, is unknown.
And it all becomes more real, unchanging and permanent, than this ever changing, growing universe.

i think, that the revelation in our passing, is that we discover that we are the same "one" animating force, within all the good, bad, or indifferent.

There is no hierarchy with just one.
Tamborine man
QUOTE (albertchampion @ Mar 27 2011, 05:15 AM) *
and it might have been a lame haiku. i call it LA. bill hicks would have called it HELLA.

i wouldn't have proffered it had you not thought me worthy of being a poet in some future.

oddly, an industrial designer i have been. for decades. still am, though i am winding down. good design, however, has a bit of poetry to it. and a bit of persistence.

and my slide into kars involves my affection for that venue of design. my favorite master of design in that venue was bruno sacco, chief of the benz design bureau. i have a collection of the best of his design bureau.

i love great design. i would love to have my b model baron back. the sweetest, sexiest light twin ever. in my opinion. a real flyer.

when i sold it in 1975 it was because i wasn't staying current. and because flying alone in the metro-houston area had become prohibitive for solo piloting.

i should have mothballed it. never letting it go. still one of the best aircraft designs of all time.

as to your disgruntlement with governments, i share that emotion. it is monstrously depressing that a blackamoor is as homicidal as the slavemasters of the old south.



Actually, your haiku was rather 'cute' i thought!
Made me think of elreb's KA in his earlier post.

I love great design too. Have been working in the film industry the last 16 years as set designer.
Mainly B and C movies. Sadly not enough money in Australia for the really big A's.

Hence, my only acquaintance with planes are merely limited to 'economy class with no leg-room',
accompanied with usual sleep deprivation. So regarding your plane, I'll just 'envy' your memories!

Indeed - and agreed. Only the truly "brain-dead" could ever seek to become 'slavemasters'.
But alas, why are there so damn many of them?? They seem to be crawling all over the place ....still!
elreb
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Mar 29 2011, 07:19 AM) *
Made me think of elreb's KA in his earlier post.

Boy…am I slow…

“Ka” and “Ba” wash laughing1.gif
Tamborine man
So true Lunk.

We're all 'Masters' in the making.

(Aye, even the "slavemasters", but they will become the last. .......Somebody should tell them!)

Or as elreb Will it:

We're ALL Brothers and Sisters.
Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Mar 27 2011, 04:34 PM) *
Boy…am I slow…

“Ka” and “Ba” wash laughing1.gif



That little fella is damn contagious!

Now me too laughing1.gif
elreb
elreb
QUOTE (lunk @ Mar 28 2011, 05:43 PM) *
Why are we here?

Beware brothers and sisters the White-Man comes in many colors and always he wears a coat of many colors. He cannot know peace and cannot speak with love for he cannot rest; wherever he goes the land will reject him, for this we must teach him so he may come home to us.
lunk
The neighbors' dog showed up at my door the other day.
The neighbors were at work, and the dog was left outside.
There was some snow on the ground and it was quite cold,
i noticed that her fur was caked with snow around her feet,
and her feet were as cold as icicles.
i brought her inside, pulled off the snow, and let her warm up.

...thinking about this, there was nobody else, no other creature,
other than me,
that could have recognized and solved this problem,
for the distressed animal.
In this sense, people, have had a very important role in this world,
perhaps, like a caretaker, looking after and tending the things,
that cannot be looked after, by nature.
albertchampion
you have taken this into the arena of caretaking, lunk. this is an endeavor of some criticality for the future.

there are those individuals that i identify as those who destroy for some fecal aggrandizement. and there are those who try to preserve the last of civilisation.

i do something to preserve the last. but, the destroyers tempt me to do the randian thing and walk away, creating a rupture in the continuity of orderly society as we have known it.

as i wind down, as the effort to preserve the last requires an increasing amount of energy, i wonder who it will be that will protect the society from the hyenas.
lunk
hmmm, i think that somehow people are necessary, in the whole life system, on earth. To perform a critical function, that no other species can achieve.
But the power to help and heal, is also the power to wreck and destroy, and the only (physical) overseer for people, is people.
Our "function" in nature, has been turned blindly in the opposite direction, now bent on the destruction of nature.
This is not what anyone wants,
and i think it can only be people who can turn it around,
or nature will eventually do it for us,
and that is not something anyone wants to sit by, and wait for, to happen.
elreb
QUOTE (albertchampion @ Mar 30 2011, 09:13 PM) *
as i wind down, as the effort to preserve the "last" requires an increasing amount of energy, i wonder who it will be that will protect the society from the hyenas.

This sort of reminds me of the “Doodlebug”…German V-1 bomb used on London in the 1940’s.

When the bombs hit…the British would pour water on them to put them out…so in the next round the Germans would fill them with Phosphorous and Napalm…so that the water would cause them to blow up again…

"Ain't No Hole"..
.
Tamborine man
"RIGHT ON!" cries mother Earth.

"I'm sick and tired ....fed up to the brim ....

with you incredible stupid people

continually maiming and murdering each other!

It gives me the 'winds' and makes me throw up

in disgust -

drop it you damn fools ....can't you all see i'm in pain!"


(And the Sun from a distance quietly nodding in agreement).
albertchampion
you may remember the concluding scenes in BLADE RUNNER. when the rutger hauer character relates his time on the edge of the universe. and then says, a time to die.

finally, it has come to pass where death will be a blessing when living in the forthcoming world is considered accurately.
Tamborine man
QUOTE (albertchampion @ Mar 30 2011, 05:14 AM) *
you may remember the concluding scenes in BLADE RUNNER. when the rutger hauer character relates his time on the edge of the universe. and then says, a time to die.

finally, it has come to pass where death will be a blessing when living in the forthcoming world is considered accurately.



You're not wrong Albert.

For a long time to come it will feel for some like total "relief"

to leave this fucked up world behind.

.... But nevertheless, rutger DID save a life, before he returned to his world!

Hope still springs through eternity -
lunk
i think having something to look forward to, keeps one going on.
i feel that i have more to do, learn, contribute and discover.
And the discoveries are happening exponentially.
More things, and new, never-been-thought-of-before, ideas are being "created" exponentially, these days.

The greatest cosmic show in history is beginning,
and it is so much more wonderful,
than these horrid petty-political-environmental things happening on Earth.

elreb
“Network” came out in 1976 and told everyone what the problem was…yet to this day…the mass majority has not heard a word.

The last two so-called “Tsunamis” we did/didn’t have…I was the only person in my neighborhood…to not run away like a scared bunny rabbit. People wait until the problem is literally in their back yards…then they panic…Oh my god…save me…

People were fighting in the stores, as well at the gas stations because they never get ready or fit out for rough times in advance. They refuse to listen to the voice of wisdom… “Be Prepared”

"Pretending to shepherd for god…Pan… took amusement from frightening herds of people and sheep into sudden bursts of uncontrollable fear”

Note: According to Akhenaten the Great…not all “Souls” are created equal…thus one must “Be Prepared” for Immortality too…

Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Mar 30 2011, 07:00 PM) *


Note: According to Akhenaten the Great…not all “Souls” are created equal…thus one must “Be Prepared” for Immortality too…




Brother elreb - Akhenaten was not always right!
Not only are we all created equal, but we're also created
with exact same potential:

".......

The Roads

A man on his journey through life upon the Earth came to a place where many roads led in different
directions.
He stopped, and said: “Which road should I choose? Which is the right road?” And his eye searched
along the many roads, that he might find the right one.
He chose a path that led over green fields and past flower-filled gardens, and prepared to continue
on his journey.

Behold, there came to the same place another man, and he also stopped, looked about, and called
to the first man: “Friend and brother, tell me, which road shall I follow? Which road will lead me to
the goal in the shortest time?”
The first man answered him and said: “By this one; for this is the one that I have chosen.”
But the other man said: “Do you not see the high mountains in the distance? That path leads over
them and it is dangerous to travel past deep ravines and steep cliffs. Nay, I will choose this road; it
is the better of the two.” And he pointed to a wide, straight road lined with tall trees.
But the first man cried heatedly: “Do you not see the river beyond? The swirling currents are strong,
they will drag you along, and you shall assuredly perish!”
Then also the second man cried angrily: “Are you saying that I have chosen the wrong road?”
And they quarreled at length, but could not agree.
Thus, they delayed each other on their journey.

But, behold! A third man came to the same place.
He stopped, heard them quarrel, called to them, and said: Friends and brothers, why must you
quar­rel? Why not follow the path leading through the woods beyond? The path is cool, peaceful and
quiet; the trees will shelter you from the burning rays of the sun. Follow me, and we shall travel
together in peace and harmony. I believe that this path will lead us to the goal in the shortest time.”
Then the two others cried: “Fool, do you not know that the woods abound with wild beasts? They
will tear you asunder, or you will lose your way in the darkness.”
But he paid them no heed.
And he walked on towards the woods.

Then the two looked upon one another, and the first one said: “Friend and brother, let us part in
peace and each travel his own road, the road that leads soonest to the goal is the right one.”
And, reconciled, they shook hands and parted in peace.
The different roads led the three men through many obstacles, across mighty seas and churning
rivers, over steep mountains and through wild and dark forests. But they overcame all obstacles.
And behold! When, weary from their travels, they reached the goal, they stood, all at the same
time before the entrance to their father’s kingdom.
They wondered greatly, and they said: “Friends and brothers! How is this possible? Each chose his
own road, and behold we stand before the goal at the same time!”
Then their father’s servant came, and said to them: “The roads of your father are many, and His
ways are unfathomable.”
And he bade them enter.
Then stood the three men and brothers, hand in hand, before their father.
And their father received them fondly, took them to his heart, blessed them and said: “When you
follow my calling voice, when you journey forth along that path which in hope and trust you have
chosen, then will you come in the shortest time to my kingdom!
“My ways are unsearchable, and my ways are many—but they all lead to my kingdom, to my home.”

November 23rd, 1911

......."
elreb
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Apr 3 2011, 07:28 PM) *
Not only are we all created equal, but we're also created with exact same potential...

Hypatia was a female Greek mathematician, philosopher and astronomer in 400 AD Roman Alexandria, Egypt. Her god was wisdom and knowledge.

On one side of the city she had the Christians and on the other side she had the Jews…who were both constantly and viciously hacking each other to death.

Hypatia the first notable woman in mathematics, as Neo-platonist philosopher, she belonged to the mathematical tradition of the Academy of Athens represented by Eudoxus of Cnidus.

In the end, Hypatia was declared a witch…stripped naked, flayed, mutilated and set ablaze by Christian monks. [uneducated, ignorant, & uncultured]

And slowly the world crept back into darkness… angry.gif
Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Apr 2 2011, 03:49 PM) *
Hypatia was a female Greek mathematician, philosopher and astronomer in 400 AD Roman Alexandria, Egypt. Her god was wisdom and knowledge.

On one side of the city she had the Christians and on the other side she had the Jews…who were both constantly and viciously hacking each other to death.

Hypatia the first notable woman in mathematics, as Neo-platonist philosopher, she belonged to the mathematical tradition of the Academy of Athens represented by Eudoxus of Cnidus.

In the end, Hypatia was declared a witch…stripped naked, flayed, mutilated and set ablaze by Christian monks. [uneducated, ignorant, & uncultured]

And slowly the world crept back into darkness… angry.gif [/b]



I wonder what dear Hypatia is doing today? And - not quite forgetting those monsters - what about the idiot monks?

Perhaps it might be worth something, re-visiting the 3 incarnation accounts as shown in posts on 23/6, 25/6 and 2/7 - 2010!!


As we have all started our journeys on Earth in the most primitive tribes that existed or exist at a particular time,

the possibility also exist of course that i for example, once upon a time in the remote past, would have taking 'delight'

in not only killing the 'enemy' of my tribe, but also eating him! - or been eaten myself, as the case may be!!

Horrible thoughts, i know, so really don't mind being spared having 'vivid' memories of past lives.



".......

37

Why can we humans not unravel the threads of friendships and family kinships that tie us to one another?
We could then understand much while still on Earth.


To unravel the threads of friendships and family kinships from previous incarnations, humans would have to
remember clearly not only their own previous existences but also those of their friends and relatives. But since
God, by His Will and in accordance with His laws, withholds the incarnated Spirits’ memories of previous earthly
lives, humans normally have no recollection of previous incarnations. (Toward the Light, page 279: 3.)

Such memories would only serve to create spiritual suffering and confusion for humans, and make earthly life
unbearable for them.


Those who have had enemies, persecutors and adversaries in previous incarnations, and those who have hated,
murdered, stolen from and impoverished others, will always in future incarnations be reborn in close kinship to
these enemies, persecutors and adversaries, and to the victims of their transgressions. Or they will meet in such
manner or under such circumstances that friendship can perhaps come about thereby. And when, through given
kinships or possible bonds of friendship, people have learned to love where they had formerly hated and cursed,
have learned to do good where they had formerly caused grief and harm and suffering, they will, on meeting
former adversaries or victims in future incarnations, experience a mutual though inexplicable sympathy. This is
because those who have once learned truly to love one another, or formed a true friendship, will have overcome
forever the hatred, enmity and sin of the past. In this way, God brings human beings to love and to respect one
another, so that in the future they can in spirit and in truth become as brothers and sisters.

The struggle of each human spirit out of the Darkness of earthly life toward the Light, from the first incarnation
on Earth to the last, is as one single great reckoning. Each rebirth adds a figure to the account, and when all the
figures are in proper order they will show the total result that God had in view. However much humans may seek
to unravel the threads that link them to friends and kin in earthly life, they can never do so. But God—father of
the human spirit—keeps precise account of their friendships and enmities, their sins and their good deeds. Only
He can unravel the ties between humans. Only He can gather together the individual figures of the many
reckonings so that they are brought into the proper order and give the proper value, whereby the true result can
be achieved. And that result is: love and harmony among His beloved children.

“For the ways of God are many, and they are past finding out.”


......."
lunk
All living beings have the same animating living force within them, their own center, or "i". All minds are not the same, but are an exquisite, unique, expression of this central i.
Our bodies are matter, and we control them with electricity (energy), through our central nervous system.

the i controls the energy, that controls the matter.

but the i, is not the matter, nor the energy, but their center.

without the i, the central controller, has left the building.

But each of us is that same single "i".

This means that "reincarnation" is just one of "i"s' very ancient attempts at explaining this phenomena,
It's true.
But, it is only this single "i", who is constantly reincarnating in all conceivable possibilities.

You see, there really is no "other", outside of each of us.
And there is more within each of us than there can be outside of us,
according to set theory.
...unless you don't see yourself as 1.
And we live in 1 universe...

1=1 i think.
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