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Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Sep 15 2011, 03:14 PM) *
Before Europeans arrive in the New World…Native Americans didn’t even know what fear was. Life was good…no poverty, no war, no prisons, no taxes, and no governments.

WHITE MAN INTRODUCED FEAR to these people…first through in the bible, then next through greed.

Christian god’s demanded gold, land and human life to supports it’s insatiable ego.

The problem is that the Christian’s gods are “Impossible” to satisfy and will tax, torture and kill every human on this planet until only they are the only ones left…then what will they do!

The “Right” hand of God is death…




The christian's god of War and Fear??




".......
The possibility is mentioned (Toward the Light, page 160) that primal Thought and primal Will might have been attracted
and united under the influence of Darkness, and that the being who would have arisen would have been the direct opposite
of God. Can it be explained how a cosmos of Darkness would have evolved under such a being?

Only God can fully answer this, but probably it will not be answered in every detail until all human spirits are gathered in God’s Kingdom and wish to know the answer.
However, anyone is free to attempt an explanation on the basis of what Toward the Light teaches of the powers and properties of Darkness and of the Light.

Should one imagine, then, that primal Thought and primal Will met and became united under the influence of Darkness and that this resulted in a Deity of Darkness—
an absolute opposite of the God of Light whom we know, love and revere—the following facts must first be considered:

1) that the Deity of Darkness, despite his power, would be incapable of destroying the primal Light, since this embodies and still embodies eternal life;

2) that the primal Light would therefore remain in its place, as a core in primal Darkness;

3) that the Deity of Darkness would be able to create from Darkness but not from the Light, since He could have no knowledge of the properties of the Light,
inasmuch as primal Thought and primal Will before becoming united had existed only in Darkness and not in the Light;

4) that the beings, objects, globes and worlds which the Deity of Darkness might create would be perishable, since death or extinction was and is inherent
in the Darkness;
and

5) that he, even though his ability to survive could be extended through countless eons, would ultimately disintegrate and become extinct, because the life of
Darkness is not everlasting.

One could imagine two possibilities for the development of life in a cosmos of Darkness:

1) The Deity would to a certain extent be able to control the Darkness, but since Darkness is inherently chaotic, nothing but chaos would result from his efforts,
his undertakings and his reign. He would probably have created children in his own likeness—dreadful creatures endowed with all the ferocity, malevolence and
hideousness of Darkness and worse than the worst of the fallen Eldest. The Deity would war incessantly with his creatures, because evil and hatred would
dominate the dealings between them. Love, compassion and mercy would be concepts quite incomprehensible, indeed quite unknown to all of them. “Thought”
would stand against “thoughts”, “Will” against “wills”; for the Deity would never have attained complete control over his children’s insatiable greed for power,
since having created beings of thought and will, he had thereby weakened his own thought and will. And as the eternal, inexhaustible radiations of Light would
lie beyond his reach, there could be no prospect for him of renewing the energy of his own thought and will in order to assert himself over his children.
Thus it is conceivable that the many evil wills would ultimately emerge victorious over the Deity whose will had been weakened through his own acts of creation.
And once his children had gained dominance, his dissolution and end would be inevitable. The many who had defeated the one would then continue struggling
for power, for they would obviously all desire to be the first, the uppermost, and none would yield, none submit. And this struggle would continue until all had
ceased to exist as personal beings, for the last, the lone survivor on the scene of battle, would not long enjoy any sense of victory, for he would surely be
disrupted and dissolved by the boundless evil and ferocity of his “thought” and “will” of Darkness, which would have absorbed and assimilated the “thoughts”
and “wills” of all the annihilated beings of Darkness
fragments of primal Thought and primal Will. But with the disintegration of the last remaining living being
of Darkness, one of the following possibilities could be conjectured:

a) The disintegration and end of the personal being would also cause his thought and will to split, dissolve and absorb into the Darkness. In the process, the
Darkness would simultaneously be depolarized, reverting it to its original dormancy and, as such, continuing to exist eternally with the Light (also dormant),
with no prospect of ever being polarized again, since primal Thought and primal Will had been annihilated.
Or,
b) At the moment the thought and will split, the disruption would be so powerful as to render the Darkness unable to dissolve and absorb primal Thought and
primal Will. These would therefore revert together with the depolarized Darkness to the same dormant state as that in which the Light reposed, and after
countless eons of rest would be ready for renewed activity with either the Darkness or the Light, according to how primal Thought and primal Will were
influenced by the radiations of the two mutually opposing forces.


2) Or there might be the following possibility of a cosmos of Darkness:
Imagine that some of the creatures of the Deity of Darkness would, out of curiosity, experiment with the Light—the core in the Darkness. But once they had
come under the purifying, regulating and harmonizing influence of the Light, their personalities of Darkness would slowly undergo a change until, gradually,
over eons, they would be completely transformed into personalities of Light. And once these beings had lost all contact with Darkness, the Light would become
their true eternal home and kingdom.


Contemplate further the possibility that one of these beings of Light would probe deeper than the others in exploring the characteristics and properties of the
Light and that as a consequence of his superior knowledge, power and authority, he would inevitably become the uppermost, the leader, whom all others would
voluntarily love, follow and revere because of the regulating and harmonizing influence of Light. Once this Deity of Light felt and understood his power, and was
conscious to the full that he was master of the Light,
he would most likely turn to the Darkness and explore its powers and properties. And then he would find
the beings of the Darkness, the beings who together with their Deity had remained in the Kingdom of Darkness. In the course of their strife with one another,
nourished by hatred and greed for power, they would all have probably quite forgotten the fellow beings who had apparently been absorbed into the Light. These
beings of Darkness would be utterly mystified by the Being of Light who now searched them out in their kingdom. But since the Deity of Light would soon come to
realize that the inhabitants of Darkness could be assimilated neither with him nor with the other beings of Light, he would presumably initiate a struggle against the
Deity of Darkness and his creatures. And the Deity of Light would then of necessity emerge the victor. But it is open to question whether he would win because of
the understanding he would have by then achieved of the all-conquering power of love, or because of the strength of the Light. If the first, the inhabitants of
Darkness would, after countless eons under his influence and guidance, be purified and transformed into beings of Light, and so be received into his kingdom of Light.
If the second, he would, by his mighty strength of thought and will, dissolve and obliterate them all.
......."


Cheers
elreb
The following person was the Master of Light who lived in 550 BC and was King of Kings who gave his wealth to his people who loved him.

He was from the house of Zeus and had conquered darkness…he also was reborn in his son and daughters…


Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Sep 16 2011, 03:31 PM) *
The following person was the Master of Light who lived in 550 BC and was King of Kings who gave his wealth to his people who loved him.

He was from the house of Zeus and had conquered darkness…he also was reborn in his son and daughters…





Hi elreb -

known by his fat stomach, it looks like Akhnaten (Akhenaton!) and Nefertiti with children. 14th. c. B.C.!

Love the artist, and his or her design of the two chairs with footstools ....and the colours ....

chairs for him and her ....brilliant ....

Cheers
elreb
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Sep 18 2011, 03:24 PM) *
known by his fat stomach, it looks like Akhnaten (Akhenaton!) and Nefertiti with children. 14th. c. B.C.!

Eduard Meyer in 1904 subtracted 139 from 1461 and came up with the date 1322 BC.

Thanks to this exhausting exercise in math…King Tut is dated at 1333-1323 BC…are you kidding me?

The paints on Nefertiti bust [Yellow and red arsenic sulfide or Realgar] can be easily dated at 550 BC using science…

Akhenaten’s roots came from the Armenia region of Anatolia…[Northern Kush]

Compare Kim Kardashian to Akhenaten
Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Sep 17 2011, 04:00 PM) *
Eduard Meyer in 1904 subtracted 139 from 1461 and came up with the date 1322 BC.

Thanks to this exhausting exercise in math…King Tut is dated at 1333-1323 BC…are you kidding me?

The paints on Nefertiti bust [Yellow and red arsenic sulfide or Realgar] can be easily dated at 550 BC using science…

Akhenaten's roots came from the Armenia region of Anatolia…[Northern Kush]

Compare Kim Kardashian to Akhenaten



Which one should i use to compare with?? blink.gif






Cheers
Tamborine man
Back to the "christian's"!


Not only (as we well know) do they think that 'war is peace',

but it also turns out that they now think that 'aggression is defence'!!!


They're slowly loosing their minds ..... rolleyes.gif





(Add from the newspaper "The Australian").


Cheer up all - it cannot possibly get any worse!
23investigator
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Apr 17 2010, 09:04 PM) *
Anyone remember this thread from july 2007, where I quoted the following?

I was trying to show that 'Life' continues after 'death', but no one was particularly interested.

(MY comment now):
PS!
The natural law of karma (the law of cause and retribution) can become extremely harch to people who refuse to admit their guilt and their crimes, but much kinder to people who without coercion, and through the genuine feeling of remorse, admits their guilt.
The amount of solicitors, lawyers and barristers in the world is ample proof enough, that this doesn't happen too often. In fact the numbers who do, can probably still be
counted by two hands.

We will but hope that this drastically changes in the future.

Tamborine man


Dear Tamborine man.

As we go along in our 'learning', the "light" shows us very many dark corners in our life.

It seems mostly, we become aware of this, because of the brighter "light" of others.

Those with a love of the "light", and the courage that only the "light", can bring.

Thankyou

Robert
lunk
Life is making the movie.
Death is watching the reruns.
elreb
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Sep 19 2011, 03:28 PM) *
Back to the "christian's"!
Not only (as we well know) do they think that 'war is peace', but it also turns out that they now think that 'aggression is defence'!!!

So true Brother Tam...

Nothing has changed…

Control, Censorship, Confiscation, Torture, Detention, Death…is all “Old Hat”…only today they pick on Islam.

Crusades 1095 to 1291
Medieval Inquisition 1184 to 1480 AD
Spanish Inquisition 1480 to 1834 AD
Portuguese Inquisition 1536
Roman Inquisition 1588 which included Galileo
Tamborine man
QUOTE (23investigator @ Sep 18 2011, 11:35 AM) *
Dear Tamborine man.

As we go along in our 'learning', the "light" shows us very many dark corners in our life.

It seems mostly, we become aware of this, because of the brighter "light" of others.

Those with a love of the "light", and the courage that only the "light", can bring.

Thankyou

Robert



Hi 23i,

thank YOU very much for reminding us all of this dear bloke:




cheers.gif
Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Sep 18 2011, 04:08 PM) *
So true Brother Tam...

Nothing has changed…

Control, Censorship, Confiscation, Torture, Detention, Death…is all “Old Hat”…only today they pick on Islam.

Crusades 1095 to 1291
Medieval Inquisition 1184 to 1480 AD
Spanish Inquisition 1480 to 1834 AD
Portuguese Inquisition 1536
Roman Inquisition 1588 which included Galileo



So true Brother elreb....

Still murdering women and children 2011 AD
Lethal injections 2011 AD
Still torture 2011 AD
-


elreb
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Sep 21 2011, 06:59 AM) *
Still torture 2011 AD

The Christian’s god of War and Fear

War is Pease; aggression is defense, murdering women and children saves lives…

It’s like Tim Burton on Acid! It’s like Charlie Bucket in Wonderland…the Oompa-Loompas did it…

Tamborine man
It cheeze me off a bit, that they didn't use this drawing as model, as of course it's far far

more accurate and true, and thus would perhaps have resonated even in to the deepest

chambers of the US congress!! sob.gif










PS!

Just discovered that on my MAC OS X version 10.6.8 big screen,

the side of the square on the dwg. above measures exactly 100 mm -

which means that the diameter in real life will be 125 mm - as a proportion.

A coincidence you'd say??

Me? Would at this but sneeze .......

And back at you! Pleeze squeeze a breeze ....... wink.gif
elreb
I was watching the “History Channel” but had to turn it off when they stated that “Aliens from Outer Space” carved the obelisks and built the temples of Karnak because humans could never have had the ability.

Walt Disney really wants to keep us in Wonderland.

From Wikipedia:

The History Channel has been criticized for airing shows on topics that are historically or scientifically specious [misleading], “non-historical nature”, and “historical value of such programming was largely non-existent”
Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Sep 21 2011, 05:38 PM) *
I was watching the "History Channel" but had to turn it off when they stated that "Aliens from Outer Space" carved the obelisks and built the temples of Karnak because humans could never have had the ability.

Walt Disney really wants to keep us in Wonderland.

From Wikipedia:

The History Channel has been criticized for airing shows on topics that are historically or scientifically specious [misleading], "non-historical nature", and "historical value of such programming was largely non-existent"




Speaking of "Temples", here's a copy and paste post from 21. June 2010, in this thread.

The temple shown in the link is "Man made" and absolutely authentic, as is the incarnation

account.








(From earlier post):


On the link below you'll find an incarnation account from Atlantis.

On the last page in the link the last part of the account is covered by drawings
of the Temple, so i've tried to translate the missing passage as best
i could here below.

http://www.toward-the-light.net/Atzes%20Account.html


Continued from last page of the incarnation account:

"....... The moment the golden ray of the sun-wheel feel upon the eternally-
flaming fire, fell upon Airun's bowed head, the High Lord of the Sun departed
from Airun's body, and the Ruler of all the Earthly Kingdom returned to his high,
glorious heaven.
"At that moment, Airun rose from the golden cushions on the temple floor. Slowly
he walked out of the temple hall, slowly he proceeded down the temple stairway
on to the outermost brink of the cliff.
Here he kneeled down stretching his arms and hands toward the golden, flaming
Sun-wheel. In the same moment, a mighty hand came down from the heavenly
vault. The hand lifted up Airun from the surface of the cliff, carried him across the
ocean's undulating waters, carried him toward the ascending radiating Sun-wheel -

whereupon I bowed my head deeply in front of the beautiful sight. When I raised
my head again, Airun had disappeared. That body, which for a short moment
became the abode to the glory of the radiant Sun-god, had gone, had disappeared.
The high Lord of the heaven carried it away from all earthly squalor, away from all
earthly sin and desire."

Atze fell silent. Then all kneeled down on the stone floor of the temple, crossing
hands and arms over the chest, bowing deeply toward the glowing low-flaming
fire on the alter. Clear from all lips sounded the words: "Mighty is the Lord of
heaven, mighty is the Lord of the earth! Low in dust we bow before your glory,
low in dust we bow before your power, before your wisdom ......."

Slowly the concealing curtain is again lowered.
Images, shapes and figures again becomes pale, colourless, bloodless.
Images, shapes, figures again glides back into the boundless dept of the distant
past.
The murmurs of memory has ended.

Atze has spoken."


Cheers


PS!

A description of the Island 'Atlantis' and its location,

the reader can also find in a post on page 2 from 21. June 2010!

elreb
All these years some thought that something was wrong with me because I could see things that no one else could.

I have never heard voices in my head…only intuitive thought.

All along, it was the “Spirits of light” sending me messages.

Of course, I never thought back to them because my mission was to write down reality and hope that humans could someday grasp the “Truth”.

I do not [all together] understand how the “Spirits of Light” work but they keep sending me more and new messages every day.

Currently, I appear to be about one “Parsec” ahead of your average Earthling.

Heck, I don’t even need do drugs…the "Spirits" really like me
23investigator
QUOTE (elreb @ Sep 26 2011, 11:00 AM) *
All these years some thought that something was wrong with me because I could see things that no one else could.

I have never heard voices in my head…only intuitive thought.

Heck, I don’t even need do drugs…the "Spirits" really like me


Dear 'elreb'

If it makes you feel any better about it, they don't even have to like you, lol.

But obviously there is some value they see in you, puzzling isn't it'

Robert
BarryWilliamsmb
Dear Friends,

I'm just back from watching my father leave this life and folks, it was a pretty dang interesting experience.

Learned much about myself; living versus one life, where does real begin? and had my mind stripped from its moorings.

Once I recover from the recoil I'd love to discuss my experience with you.

Thank you so much for talking the way you all do. Much appreciated.
elreb
QUOTE (BarryWilliamsmb @ Sep 26 2011, 09:53 AM) *
Once I recover from the recoil I'd love to discuss my experience with you.

Thank you so much for talking the way you all do. Much appreciated.

I'm all ears...
elreb
QUOTE (23investigator @ Sep 26 2011, 03:00 AM) *
But obviously there is some value they see in you, puzzling isn't it'

George Wells invents a time machine that can travel into the past but “Static” in character, in neither it nor the past, can undergo significant change during its journey.

So George travels into the past and records the days, weeks, months and years when certain pre chosen events took place…then returns to the present.

Announcing his results to the present…George’s findings…not only go unheard…they in fact…become unwanted.

To George’s astonishment and distress…the present has become immune to reality.

“When the legend becomes fact, print the legend”.
elreb
Sanders…got it…it wasn’t easy…

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10800523

Wake up...Earth people..."Nanu Nanu"
elreb
Australian, Andy Whitfield, who played the title role in "Spartacus”, has died at age 39.

http://www.lymphomation.org/famous-people.htm
Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Oct 4 2011, 02:05 AM) *
Australian, Andy Whitfield, who played the title role in "Spartacus", has died at age 39.

http://www.lymphomation.org/famous-people.htm



Elreb,

it seems to

me that your next

incarnation will become a

dance on roses ...... so take heart




Cheers
elreb
A dance on roses (but they have thorns)

All fears abolished...great confidence, great wisdom… believing in the magic of life…

Anyone who is prepared to do what it takes to become the kind of person, who achieves his /her goals, can set out to conquer the world.

Was I your trouble shooter from heaven….is there no problem that cannot be solved?

I have so many ideas – I usually find a solution to any given problem.

Does life go as planned?

Nothing went according to plan.

Sorry, let me take that back: everything went according to plan – I received the education I needed…I got the message…It was mankind that became retarded.

In parallel, the first “Great Awakening” set at the time of the kindly Dutchman…Rip Van Winkle…

His home and farm falling into disarray due to his lazy neglect…

In the end…Rip resumes his habitual idleness, and his tale is solemnly taken to heart by the Dutch settlers, with other hen-pecked husbands, after hearing his story, wishing they could share in Rip's good luck.


Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Oct 6 2011, 04:35 PM) *
A dance on roses (but they have thorns)

All fears abolished...great confidence, great wisdom… believing in the magic of life…

Anyone who is prepared to do what it takes to become the kind of person, who achieves his /her goals, can set out to conquer the world.

Was I your trouble shooter from heaven….is there no problem that cannot be solved?

I have so many ideas – I usually find a solution to any given problem.

Does life go as planned?

Nothing went according to plan.

Sorry, let me take that back: everything went according to plan – I received the education I needed…I got the message…It was mankind that became retarded.

In parallel, the first "Great Awakening" set at the time of the kindly Dutchman…Rip Van Winkle…

His home and farm falling into disarray due to his lazy neglect…

In the end…Rip resumes his habitual idleness, and his tale is solemnly taken to heart by the Dutch settlers, with other hen-pecked husbands, after hearing his story, wishing they could share in Rip's good luck.




RIP Mr. van Winkle!

So better "believing in the magic of Life" .......

"nothing is impossible" .......





"How doo yuu doo that?"


"Can't get my head round of that at all"


"There really is no such thing like an ordinary person .......

everybody has the power to be extraordinary"


"Some people think it's impossible to change the future,

but in reality the future is only what you make it"!


Check out the butterfly trick in episode 4 .......


Cheers
elreb
Brother Tam,

Some people think it is impossible to change the “Past” simply because they are not paying attention…

Historians and “Religion” are controlled [like the Media] by the “Right”.

But the right is wrong…

They rarely tell the truth because they are forced to manipulate aspects of reality…sometimes by supernatural means, sometimes by unknown Science and sometimes by “Pure” deception.

The “Spirits of Enlightenment” tell the “Truth”.

Put the books down and listen to them…

The “Moral” of RIP is that people remained true to idleness.
elreb
Brother Tam...glad you stopped by...

Please tell us the relationship between the Aborigines and the Crocodiles…

Sanders: Yeah, I'd like to know that too. I bought a painting (I was in Australia once and wanted a souvenir) done by an Aborigine - it's a great piece, very colourful, of crocodiles and snakes.

Goanna: This forum is becoming less fun everyday…

Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Oct 17 2011, 12:36 AM) *
Brother Tam...glad you stopped by...

Please tell us the relationship between the Aborigines and the Crocodiles…

Sanders: Yeah, I'd like to know that too. I bought a painting (I was in Australia once and wanted a souvenir) done by an Aborigine - it's a great piece, very colourful, of crocodiles and snakes.

Goanna: This forum is becoming less fun everyday…




Sorry dear elreb.

Had some health problems for a while, with loss of 'energy'!

Am back to normal now, so coming back soon.

Can't quite remember the story about the Crocodiles, but will

see what i can come up with later ......


Cheers
23investigator
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Oct 20 2011, 12:52 PM) *
Sorry dear elreb.

Had some health problems for a while, with loss of 'energy'!

Am back to normal now, so coming back soon.

Can't quite remember the story about the Crocodiles, but will

see what i can come up with later ......


Cheers



Dear 'tamborine man'

Glad to hear you have overcome what ever was sapping your energy.
Thanks very much for your help to sought out the -post- problem on 'alternative theories'.

Not wishing to cut across your intentions for 'elreb', but will make a small comment if I may.

The indigenous, aboriginie, people, in Australia are a very spiritual people.
As are all the Aboriginal people existing here now.
The word 'Aboriginal' one unique to Australia, I guess accepted by as with so many things with these wonderful "people", with little choice, by the way they have been treated since 'their land' became occupied.

In reality, there were a tremendous number of different groups of "people" through out the land mass now called Australia.

With such a large land mass, not all of these people had the same environment around them, the difference between particularly north and south, extreme.

As with the culture of so many land mass that have been taken over, the original stories were recorded by many forms of painting.

I am very fortunate that I live very close to where the original 'ochre' used for this in the area now called South Australia was mined, "open cut", right into the face of the cliffs at the edge of the gulf now called 'Gulf Snt Vincent'.

When looking at the art work of these 'people' whether current or deeply historical, the eyes are resting on much more than different colours,

your friend

Robert S

ps: there is no telling how far that 'ochre' might have been traded, as the network of cooperation was tremendous.
If we would only learn to listen.
elreb
Brother Robert S

Indigenous, aborigine people, in Australia are key to a greater history of “European” aggressions upon the kindest of earth beings.

I have always defended Native Americans and deplored the crimes of the onward “Christian” soldiers marching as to war.

The Indigenous peoples of Australia have lived on their lands for 10’s of thousands of years and have more common sense.

From what I have heard, their “Spirits” do not demand the exploitation and murder of innocent women and children for monetary gain.

The more we learn of these knowing men, the better off modern humans may become.

Elreb
Tamborine man
QUOTE (elreb @ Oct 19 2011, 02:09 AM) *
Brother Robert S

Indigenous, aborigine people, in Australia are key to a greater history of "European" aggressions upon the kindest of earth beings.

I have always defended Native Americans and deplored the crimes of the onward "Christian" soldiers marching as to war.

The Indigenous peoples of Australia have lived on their lands for 10's of thousands of years and have more common sense.

From what I have heard, their "Spirits" do not demand the exploitation and murder of innocent women and children for monetary gain.

The more we learn of these knowing men, the better off modern humans may become.

Elreb




So true elreb!

It's from the "Children" that we Will ever hear the Truth.

No matter how they pack it in, the "essence" Will always

be carried forward, never to be lost to the future.


Human kind can never grow, unfold and blossom further,

if it ever looses sight of the past, or fail to embrace and

Love ....... what has been.


It is the shadows which makes the Light shine even more

beautiful.


Cheers
Tamborine man
QUOTE (23investigator @ Oct 18 2011, 11:14 PM) *
Dear 'tamborine man'

Glad to hear you have overcome what ever was sapping your energy.
Thanks very much for your help to sought out the -post- problem on 'alternative theories'.

Not wishing to cut across your intentions for 'elreb', but will make a small comment if I may.

The indigenous, aboriginie, people, in Australia are a very spiritual people.
As are all the Aboriginal people existing here now.
The word 'Aboriginal' one unique to Australia, I guess accepted by as with so many things with these wonderful "people", with little choice, by the way they have been treated since 'their land' became occupied.

In reality, there were a tremendous number of different groups of "people" through out the land mass now called Australia.

With such a large land mass, not all of these people had the same environment around them, the difference between particularly north and south, extreme.

As with the culture of so many land mass that have been taken over, the original stories were recorded by many forms of painting.

I am very fortunate that I live very close to where the original 'ochre' used for this in the area now called South Australia was mined, "open cut", right into the face of the cliffs at the edge of the gulf now called 'Gulf Snt Vincent'.

When looking at the art work of these 'people' whether current or deeply historical, the eyes are resting on much more than different colours,

your friend

Robert S

ps: there is no telling how far that 'ochre' might have been traded, as the network of cooperation was tremendous.
If we would only learn to listen.



Thank you so much for your kind words.

Perhaps you might be so much better to relate the aboriginal stories about the 'crocodiles'

instead of me, coming from a land half-way across the world, where crocodiles never existed,

but where 'snakes' in one form or the other dominated the landscape wherever they looked,

whether in their 'dreams', or in their dim "reality"!


No pressure from me, except ....

Cheers
23investigator
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Oct 23 2011, 01:16 AM) *
the aboriginal stories about the 'crocodiles'

instead of me, coming from a land half-way across the world, where crocodiles never existed,

Cheers


Dear 'Tamborine man'

The reality is, that the vast bulk of Australians, came from 'a land halfway across the world', or of more recent times, lands a little closer.
Even the earlier 'settlers', not very long ago at all, two hundred years not a very long time at all.

In my case, the 'stock', about one hundred and forty years.

With respect, before 'we', can start narrating stories and deeper essence about this land and its original people, we have a lot more listening to do.

'Elreb', has said some very pertinent words, supported by your own wisdom, how these 'histories and deep inner knowledge, are what has been lost in a lot of cultures, where when people look inwards all they see is darkness.

There can be no doubt though, that the light for all of us, as with the start of an 'aboriginie' fire, starts from a tiny glow to be gently stirred to fulness.

It is when we learn to sit quietly around 'their' firelight, we will all learn the true meaning, of their wonderful stories.

Robert S
elreb
For the record, I had spent close to 20 years in Florida, which is home to the “Alligator”, swamp “Moccasin” and the diamond back “Rattle Snake”.

The Seminole people have very little connection to these animals due to being mostly Miccosukee and Creek Tribes.

The above critters deliver painful and potentially fatal bites which are my main attraction to them. I have been bitten by all three and I have also eaten all them for dinner.

Sanders and I, both are investigating the nature of the Croc-O-Nile, [lizard of the Nile] and the area where they first appear in recorded history.

We were hoping someone had smoked one or two with the Natives in Australia.
BarryWilliamsmb
QUOTE (23investigator @ Oct 20 2011, 09:21 PM) *
It is when we learn to sit quietly around 'their' firelight, we will all learn the true meaning, of their wonderful stories.

Robert S


Meester - I like the way you think.

Actually, I just love the fact that you DO think and am awed by the perception resolving capacity of your cohorts on this thread.

Much appreciated Robert.

Barry
Tamborine man
Please meet Stuart and Kate, dear old friends of mine.

Introduced Stuart to the 'Super Circle' which he puts into most of his paintings.

Stayed at their rainforest tree-house in the eighties. What a learning experience

for me! (Click on "an Archetypal Journey" link for photo's).

They have lived and worked with the aboriginals the last 30 years.

NOW i MUST go see them again one of these days, as it has been too long since

last!


http://www.karrinyarra-artists.com/llyod.html


Cheers
23investigator
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Oct 25 2011, 11:45 AM) *
Please meet Stuart and Kate, dear old friends of mine.

Introduced Stuart to the 'Super Circle' which he puts into most of his paintings.

http://www.karrinyarra-artists.com/llyod.html


Cheers


Dear 'Tamborine man'

Thanks so much.

I share house with an artist, I will bring this to their attention.

It is a facinating experience to watch and hear 'their experiences', in their special world of expression.

thanks again

Robert S
elreb
I did review brother Tam’s friends and I do like their art.

I was wondering if anyone in Australia can comment on the Crocodile.

In Hawaii we have a Sea turtle called Honu that I can observe about.

We sit around an “Emu” fire-pit and talk story.

What do you folks do?
23investigator
QUOTE (elreb @ Oct 28 2011, 09:28 AM) *
I did review brother Tam’s friends and I do like their art.

We sit around an “Emu” fire-pit and talk story.

What do you folks do?



Dear Elreb

Unfortunately, far to many of us sit around on 'bar stools', and barbecue fires, and talk "crap".
Have been guilty of that myself, in my life time.

But more reverently, in my life time here, have witnessed more and more people going, "bush", to sit around campfires.
The real marriage will be when those camp fires become 'all inclusive', which will take a lot more understanding on 'our' part.

But as with all things in life, it will happen, time is a great healer.

Robert S
lunk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HZgoNbUtu8

2 hour live radio interview
with dead people
who have came back to life,
and are talking about it.

23investigator
QUOTE (lunk @ Oct 29 2011, 10:34 AM) *
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HZgoNbUtu8

who have came back to life,
and are talking about it.


Dear 'lunk'

Thankyou

I find it very interesting, that you bring this forward, at this time.

Robert S
elreb
There can be no doubt though, that the light for all of us, as with the start of an 'aborigine' fire, starts from a tiny glow to be gently stirred to fullness.

The more we learn of these knowing men, the better off modern humans may become.

It is the shadows which makes the Light shine even more beautiful.

With respect, before 'we', can start narrating stories and deeper essence about this land and its original people, we have a lot more listening to do.

We sit around an “Emu” fire-pit and talk story.

The real marriage will be when those camp fires become 'all inclusive', which will take a lot more understanding on 'our' part.

But as with all things in life, it will happen, time is a great healer.

This determines the “Ductility” of modern man to nature.

The natural Natives are not mis informed…as we are…


lunk
QUOTE (23investigator @ Oct 28 2011, 05:58 PM) *
Dear 'lunk'

Thankyou

I find it very interesting, that you bring this forward, at this time.

Robert S


There is now, a part 2 (another 2 hours)
at 52 times the speed of light. . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YONeSxUAEHk


Tamborine man
Here is a short account of what happens at 'the moments', talked about in Lunk's video"s:




".......
Toward the Light states (page 215: 3) that the cord binding spirit and body severs at the moment of death.
Does this happen as the heart ceases to beat? If not, when?


Cessation of the heartbeat is one phase in the body's "death-process". Actual, final death occurs the moment all connection between
the body's molecular and the counterpart's astral particles has slackened completely and separation of body and counterpart sets in.

A weakening, a slackening of the interweave of the molecular and astral particles, therefore occurs after the heart stops but before
final death. When this process advances enough to make it impossible by stimulants or other means to strengthen the weakened
interweave and thereby revive the heartbeat, the binding cord between spirit and body severs - i.e., at the moment of physical death.
With the cord's severance and true death, the astral interconnections with the soft body tissues loosen (that is to say, the molecular
and astral particles drift apart) and the counterpart is released and separated.

No norm can be given for the time it takes for the weakening process to run its course. It varies considerably, in part* depending
on the condition of the body when the heartbeat stops. If "death" is from accident, narcosis, stroke, shock or the like and the body
is otherwise healthy, the process can be very slow, whereas it can be concluded within a very short time if "death" is due to a long
and wasting illness. The reason for this is that a considerable reduction in the elasticity of the molecular and astral particles has set
in during the course of the illness, and that this weakens the mutual interweaving. The separation and the release of the counterpart
from the earthly body also takes longer if the body is otherwise healthy at the time of death.


*) If death occurs in a very warm climate, for example in the South, the high temperatures
will accelerate the weakening of the particles even if the body is otherwise healthy.

......."


Cheers



BarryWilliamsmb
My dad was dead before I knew he was.

However, he didn't look dead and his eyes winked. He moved and acknowledged input kind of similar to the way hypnotized sheeple do in rush hour traffic.

Only later on this night I describe did I realize that dude had passed earlier and it was interesting to see how many of us ignored or could not accept his death.

Dudes end was so slippery that likely only he and the trained staff noticed.

THAT I took note of.
elreb
In Los Angeles you are not allowed [In a minority neighborhood] to put up a “Dead End” street sign.

You are only allowed to put up a “No Outlet” sign.

I am sure that we live in “Hell” and death is our only outlet.

We all have a lot of work to do…O brothers where art thou?


The punk rolled up his big blue eyes
And said to the jocker, "Sandy,
I've hiked and hiked and wandered too,
But I ain't seen any candy.
I've hiked and hiked till my feet are sore
And I'll be damned if I hike any more
To be buggered sore like a hobo's whore
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains."

lunk
i was in the womb too long.
or that was what i was told.

My dad wasn't afraid of death.
He passed away, in his own house, with me beside him, in 2007.
He had suffered from LLC a type of leukemia.
(it basically causes one to become weak, and tired, from lack of oxygen in the blood.)
i stayed with mom to help look after him for his last few months.

He gradually became less interactive with this world,
and more interactive with an interior world, or imagination,
but it was just as real, to him.
Every once and a while he would blurt out something like,
"i've been lied to my whole life!"
Mom, laughed and thought he was just dreaming,
but i know that he had just "woken up" to the truth about this world.

We can debate our beliefs, of the glass as being half-full, or half-empty,
but the truth is, that the container is twice as big as it needs to be!

Dad was an engineer.
elreb
QUOTE (lunk @ Nov 5 2011, 09:40 PM) *
He had suffered from LLC a type of leukemia.

Lunk,
Not sure if I have heard of LLC…as I have more of CLL [chronic lymphoid leukemia] and NHL [non-Hodgkin lymphoma].

After 7 years of chemotherapy and 15 blood transfusions…nothing is working.

Now I start 20 straight days of Radiation.

The glass is too small…and so is time…the Earth is still expanding.

The only “Big Bang” is the Bang that Bankers get from our Buck!
lunk
QUOTE (elreb @ Nov 6 2011, 02:06 PM) *
Lunk,
Not sure if I have heard of LLC…as I have more of CLL [chronic lymphoid leukemia] and NHL [non-Hodgkin lymphoma].

After 7 years of chemotherapy and 15 blood transfusions…nothing is working.

Now I start 20 straight days of Radiation.

The glass is too small…and so is time…the Earth is still expanding.

The only “Big Bang” is the Bang that Bankers get from our Buck!


i think you're unfortunately right. It was CLL.

It was referred to as an "old peoples immune deficiency".
He was treated with chemo, too, and the condition disappeared for a few years.
i wonder though, if the attempted cure caused more problems than the ailment, itself.
He never touched alcohol or tobacco, and mom always cooked healthy food.
He was only 78.

Since then, i have heard of many alternate (harmless) methods of possible remedies, i wish that i knew of then.

For instance, canibinoids, or an electric "energy cleaner", even homeopathic remedies were not tried.

(have you seen the documentary, "Run From The Cure", the Rick Simpson story?)
elreb
QUOTE (lunk @ Nov 6 2011, 04:43 PM) *
It was referred to as an "old peoples immune deficiency".

My mother smoked, drank and ate southern fried foods and still lived to be 87 years old. Her grandmother was 98y before she kicked the bucket.

Life is circumstantial…

I’ve tried shamanism, THC and Noni to no avail. It is true that chemo does as much damage as it cures.

Wisdom has taught me that I am blessed to still be alive.

The “Spirits of Enlightenment” keep me around…to force me to educate the “Honored few”.

Life is about doing something positive…ask Forrest Gump…I won’t be far away!
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