Rationing us to Death: The Real Green Agenda!
http://www.prisonplanet.com/rationing-us-t...een-agenda.html
Neil Foster,
Sovereign Independent
Tuesday, June 29th, 2010

Here we go, not only have we to pay for water contaminated with the toxic chemical fluoride, now we’ve to get used to rationing according to the top ‘climate change’ expert and global warming mouthpiece, John Sweeny. “This is a problem that is going to become more common in years to come. We cannot label one dry summer as climate change. But it is the kind of drier summer we can expect in years to come” he said.

I won’t even bother to give this moron the title ‘professor’ because quite frankly, any idiot who believes that man is causing the climate to change by breathing, despite all the evidence showing nothing of the kind, then to be honest, this fool should be psychiatrically examined to see if he has any modicum of intelligence at all before he’s let loose to indoctrinate children with this utter nonsense of manmade global warming.

How quickly ‘climategate’ and all the other exposed lies and fraud of the ‘climate change’ lobby are forgotten. How quickly they try to sweep the coldest winter in 50 years under the climate change carpet. Instead they keep up the mantra that we must get used to warmer drier summers.

Well, bring it on is all I can say! History shows that warmer weather leads to a world of abundance of food which could, in the right hands, help the poorest in society, particularly those in the Third World to develop their countries to Western Standards. Isn’t that what we should all hope and wish for so that our fellow human beings can simply survive instead of dying of starvation when even today it’s unnecessary and only brought about by corruption and despotism funded by the West, including us folks?

We’ve had warmer summers in the past and we’ll have them in the future in the same way as we’ve had wetter summers in the past and will also have in the future. This is the natural weather cycle of the planet. It has nothing whatsoever to do with CO2 and I openly challenge anyone to show me the evidence to the contrary, including Gormley and Sweeny who continually show their utter ignorance of scientific facts and continue to promote their own fantasy fiction of manmade global warming to the gullible and quite frankly, brainwashed masses.

But getting back to water rationing for a second. Apparently, all of a sudden, at a time when the green lunatics of Gormley and his cabal, who virtually nobody voted for, want to charge us for poisoned water, in one of, if not the wettest country in Europe, hey presto, we have water shortages.

Are the general public, so dumbed down by the fluoride in the water that has been proven to lower IQ’s in children and cause bone cancer amongst other fatal conditions that they can’t see through this blatant propaganda? Are they so stupid to still accept the advice of Sweeny and his cronies who are still pushing the pseudo science of CO2 causing the warming of the planet as fact? If they are, then I’m afraid they deserve every draconian totalitarian piece of legislation coming their way.

Can’t people see that this is simply the start of water rationing whether we have floods, drought or famine? This is part of the real ‘green agenda’ whereby everything will be rationed, not just water, but food as well.

We are in a war scenario folks and the war is on us, the ordinary human beings who inhabit this beautiful planet. It’s being perpetrated on us by a group of psychopathic lunatics who use fanatics like Communist educated John Gormley and his cabal, to push this agenda which is nothing short of EUGENICS.



Read the quote below VERY CAREFULLY. It is in plain English and very easy to understand.

“The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”
- Club of Rome,
Premier Environmental Think-Tank,
Consultants to The United Nations.

This group of fanatics, including Al Gore who is a long time member, as they say themselves, are the PREMIER think-tank to the United Nations which is simply another UNELECTED globalist EUGENICS organisation and a precursor to a TOTALITARIAN WORLD GOVERNMENT in the mode of SOVIET RUSSIA or COMMUNIST CHINA!

What this group say to the United Nations are basically ORDERS to the United Nations by the very same banking cartels who are currently raping every single one of us who are not part of their criminal gang.

Look at the quote carefully. It states that in plain English, that this group;

“…came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.”

What is there that’s difficult to understand about this sentence? They made the whole thing up folks to bring about a war scenario against humanity because they are only interested in reducing the world’s population by any means possible.

Using the “threat of global warming” they are bringing in draconian environmental laws such as global carbon taxes which we’re already paying in this country despite there being, and I repeat, no evidence of any link whatsoever between CO2 and global warming on the scale proclaimed by morons like Gormley and Sweeny. What about “water shortages”? Is this ringing a bell yet? What about “famine”? I wonder how long it’ll be before we start hearing the ‘food shortage’ drums beating? It’s coming folks unless you wake up and realise that, as they state in the quote above, “The real enemy then is HUMANITY itself”.

In case you’ve forgotten, you are humanity itself! Why would we want ‘anti-humanitarians’ at the United Nations controlling humanity? Seems like a dangerous thing to crave for doesn’t it?

This is the real green agenda. It has absolutely nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with that other pseudo science “EUGENICS”.

Anyone who thinks that slaughterers like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Polpot etc were rogue fanatics who just wanted to kill alot of people need to study history a little more. If you do you’ll find that the ideas of these psychopaths were given to them by the establishment in London and New York well before World War II.

The real maniacs and future mass murderers are in our midst today camouflaging themselves in a green flag and environmental rhetoric and have been placed in positions of power, not by voters, but by the powerful vested interests who really do run the world, namely the banking families and in particular the Rockefeller family who have been promoting EUGENICS for over a century, including the funding of Hitler’s Eugenics programs, many Eugenics Societies which they still fund to this day.

Bill Gates, whose father worked for the Rockefeller family, is advocating, live on camera that vaccinations can be used to reduce population by 15%. That would be a good start according to him. He’s also promoting GMO foods, another project of the Rockefeller family’s EUGENICS program, which have been PROOVEN to damage human health in a variety of ways including sterilisation similar to the effects of vaccinations.

Why do you think Bill Gates of Microsoft has been allowed to monopolise the world of computer technology? In my opinion he has a debt to pay to the Rockefeller family for his fame and fortune.

Henry Kissinger, another Rockefeller lackey, wrote NSSM 200 when he was Vice President under Richard Nixon, where he laid out the plan to control the world’s food supply through large agribusiness corporations, such as Monsanto and the other GMO companies, by having the world’s supply of staple foodstuffs like corn, wheat etc in the hands of these corporations, who are themselves owned by the elite EUGENICISTS, whereby they would ration this out to countries on the basis of ever decreasing populations in those countries. If countries didn’t reduce their populations, by ANY means possible, including mass murder, then they would be starved to death regardless.

This will, I’m sure, seem far-fetched to many readers but I assure this is coming unless we stand up and stop the rot where it is starting.

Water rationing sound-bites are only the beginning of a concerted effort to convince the people that rationing is to be the new ‘norm’. This will inevitably expand to food, energy, money and every other basic human need. We are HUMAN BEINGS being treated like DUMB ANIMALS.

When are we going to stand up for ourselves and stop listening to pseudo scientific lunatics like Sweeny and imbecilic morons like Gormley and his green Communist cronies who basically lie through their teeth every time they open their mouths.

These people are working for a criminal cabal whose sole objective is to ELIMINATE every one of us through, as they state in the quote above, “water shortages and famine”.

This is for real folks. These lunatics are already ruling the asylum. Unfortunately the asylum is full of brainwashed people who can’t even seem to draw back the curtains of lies, look through the window and see the clear light of truth shining bright on our beautiful planet.

Wake up folks, the war against you started a long time ago and we’re losing!

The common enemy of humanity, is the psychopath.

In searching for a cause to divide people, they came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill.

All these dangers, are being created by psychopathic manipulations,
and it is only through peoples' recognition of the psychopaths' attitudes,
and their behavior, that these psychopaths can be overcome.

The real enemy to humanity,
are the psychopaths,
amongst us.

T.H.E.M.
The Hierarchy Enslaving Mankind.

The quote IMO is easy to understand and has been disseminated widely not by accident, It's also no accident that when this crap is read the majority far from being disgusted by it's sentiment actually agree with it. Don't worry about fighting a bunch of little pasty faced white men in baggy boxer shorts, they have the numbers and don't like getting dirty.

Fear, has always been used to control people.

In a world, with one single, overriding governance,
there is no enemy, and so, nothing to fear.
And no compelling purpose for much, if any, governance.

So an enemy must be created, or the planetary, one thingy
that they have been working towards, for generations,
would become pointless, powerless and ignored.

So, they try to imply, that they, are separate from humanity,
because they are rich, powerful, (inbred), and in positions of power, and influence,
and they are not really those human beings, down there in the mines, at all,
but superior beings, who have evolved themselves, differently.
They actually see themselves as god(s).
This will eventually lead to divisions between themselves,
and, i'm sure, it has in the past, too.

But they're all "aboard" this "idea".
It may be seemingly, innocently, called "green",
but really, it is the ever, ongoing,
great con, piracy.

But I wonder if those that agree with the message believe they, that is, themselves, family and friends will be immune to the culling process? More than likely, they "agree" because they think they are safe.

Global warming is not a fraud, the science behind the role of GHGs is solid (I have posted links to where you can educate yourself on this point). And I am getting a bit pissed off that you keep repeating this mantra without supporting evidence. Simple quoting alarmist articles about culling and a new world order agenda will not do any more!

Learn about black body radiation and the effect of CO2 causing an imbalace in the heat coming in to that going out, the role of water in the atmsophere and how rising temperatures increase the amount of water in the atmosphere. Learn about vibrating molecules and lapse rates and atmospheric temperature stratification also. That is why global average temperatures are rising, despite the attempts of the likes of Watts et. al. and the cryosphere in general is in a state of melt down. Recent reports from the Arctic alone tell us that huge amounts of volume have been lost and much of what is left is rotten (Goddard at WUWT is in his own melt down phase right now).
See:

Data on ice loss in the Arctic Ocean can be misleading

and

Arctic sea ice graphs

and that is just for starters.

The lower atmosphere is warming but the stratosphere is cooling. That is what satellite data is telling us now that it has been unscrambled from the mess first put about by Christy et.al. That increasing temperature differential would not be if it was down to the sun changing gear.

The seasons are shifting and the natural world is responding with movements of species, those that can, to higher latitudes or altitudes.
There are many other indicators from the natural world alone, I could go on and on but hey, maybe you could educate yourself for a change.

If business as usual carries on much longer then nature will really turn on us and carry out its own cull. How is Vegas and surrounding going to survive when Lake Mead dries up? That may not be as far ahead as once thought.

Remember all the other posts I have made over the months where I have explained the true nature of our understanding, have mentioned those sources which cannot be trusted and why ('The Greening Earth Society' for one that tool of Western Fuels and their idea that increased CO2 leads to more food production it does not in the absence of water and nutrients and the spin off 'CO2 Science' of Sherwood 'I cannot get published' Idso) and the multitude of links to sources of valid information.

What do I see from you again and again? The same old, same old.

Bottom line is global warming and climate change are happening and the science tells us why and it is not due to Milankovich cycles for we are at or near the minimum of forcing from each of these. Neither is it TSI which has been suppressed during the current warming trend of the last few tens of years.

Don't let the MSM of Fox and co. mug you into still believing that it is all a scam. The true scam is that the deniers and delayers have gained such traction with their disinformation which came out of tactics honed by the tobacco lobby. If you do not understand this then go look it up. I have provided links to such in the past. I would have thought even the dimmest of the dim would have caught on by now. Go be an acolyte of Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin if you like but count me out. Denial has already cost us about 15 years of progress to sustainable energy production and usage.

Yes I appreciate that CO2 etc, is not the only way we are FUBARing the planet resource depleation and other forms of pollution are catching up on us. Economic growth on a finite planet is a nonsense, that is the basis of the problem, the way economics is rigged.

This is a serious business and sticking your head up your bum isn't going to help one little bit.

This mean setting the record straight with yourself about Climategat, Glaciergate and Amazongate (note that the Times has had to retract that awful North/Leake article. Also check out that Monckton has been called out on his nonsense by two scientists. I am sure you could find your way to information on all this stuff. That is if you are really interested in finding out the truth.

Ahh, sheesh, Omega. Global-warming is a scam. Wake up already.

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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/28/sea-ice-news-11/

Please don't interpret this as an invitation to get into an argument about climate change, I have zero interest. Go on spouting your BS that we're all idiots who don't care about the planet, fine. I just wanted to interject, the planet is cooling, not warming. The global-warming hoaxters have been busted, and it seems everyone but you, Omega, got the memo.

Omega, your gripe isn't with me or the warming "deniers", it's with the elite. After all, they told anyone that could read that they would contrive any issue necessary, including "global warming", to usher in one-world-government". Do you not understand the meaning of, "...come up with the idea"?

“…came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.”

Are you calling the person that made the above statement, at a Club of Rome gathering, a liar?

Sources?

See below.


No Sanders it is you spreading BS and you consistently make statements unsuported by any evidence. Climategate was a fossile fuel lobby sponsored witch hunt. If you had the decency or courage to research on this then you would discover this for yourself but you just like repeating the same old tired mantra from the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Palin, and even Ann Coulter:

Coulter gets a lesson in hurling invective

As for WUWT (don't make me laugh) and Arctic ice. Have you researched the reality, see here:

When things were rotten: Arctic sees record sea ice shrinkage, headed toward record low volume



and here

Arctic death spiral: Naval Postgrad School’s Maslowski “projects ice-free* fall by 2016 (+/- 3 yrs)”

You realy nead to do some studying of the physics and biology that informs on global warming as the links to David Archer stuff seem to difficult for you try here:

An illustrated guide to the latest climate science

and go here for an overview of all the denier/delayer moles that keep appearing:

Skepticalscience, Getting skeptical about global warming skepticism

and note in particular the sidebar Most Used Skeptic Arguments.

As for cooling see argument 4.

It is you who needs to wise up, and some.

No my gripe is with that portion of the elite who try to preserve the status quo by paying media shills and others to undermine the message well understood since the 1980s that the earth is heating up and the recent accelerated trend in warming is largely due to human influences and in particular GHGs.

What you fail to appreciate is that there is a battle going on between those in high places who have some concern about mankind's future, and of the biodiversity that sustains us and those in the fossil fuel and allied industries who wish to pervert the arguments.

Our view of climate science is rather like a jigsaw puzzle with missing and obscured pieces. Not all pieces are in place and some require more research and it is accepted that the full mechanisms of water vapour and solar influences need more work to fully understand their forcing effects. However enough of the picture has been clear for two decades now to understand that the problem is real and what the overall driver is.

Nay saying the problem is of course comforting but this is to play into the hands of the very people you fear.

Ask yourself why Fox pundits and other media ideologues are so shrill in their broadcasting of stories based on lies and obfuscation.

Don't be a fool. At least check up on the facts yourself. I realise this is difficult here because of the small choir of minds like yours. Minds closed to reality.

What I find disappointing is that none of you seem to bother to actually study the science or read the stuff to which I point.

It would help if you followed links in the posts I make in reply to others. Try it and go search on other older threads for I am becoming weary of supplying links to valid information that nobody bothers to read and yet you few keep coming out with the same ol' same ol'.

WUWT does not count there, remember I pointed out that when you brought up a paper on sea level rise which Watts had managed to mangle - as per the norm there.


That, AFAIAC is a red-herring.

i had to build a fire the other morning.

It has been raining almost every day,
and the blue sky is routinely etched in persistent jet trails that eventually ooze bright iridescent cloud, from horizon to horizon,
like we're under some sort of sun-shine restriction.

The rattlesnakes, scorpions, and black widow spiders,
aren't very happy.

Well, I never listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Palin or Coulter, they all rub me the wrong way. So I must be getting it from somewhere else.

As for "spreading" BS, bollocks. Not only is it not BS, I don't do much spreading. I hardly ever post on the topic. Every once in a while I do though, just to let you know I'm still here, O.

Like the sources of the echo chamber that is denial ripped apart in these articles:

Media ran with now-retracted attack on IPCC in their assault on global warming science

Christopher Monckton humiliated yet again

be sure to click on the 'others before him' link. Awe heck I'll give it you here:

A Scientist Replies to Christopher Monckton.


Get real man, get real.

Austerity now , austerity now. There is no more serenity we're just all to be austere.



I wonder what happens to the silly little people who were already living with austerity. They might be the overburdon eh.

Yep, the climate is changing.

Or is being manipulated.
Or it's the sun.
Or all three.

But CO2,
is not the problem,
and a little more, could help towards,
a solution.
Plants, that make oxygen are, right now, on a starvation diet of the food,
that they make the oxygen, that we breath, from.
And that gas is, carbon dioxide.

Perhaps though, if we shielded the Earth in a conductive ionosphere, we could create a Faraday cage, and thus shield the Earth from any huge EMP, or perhaps the results from a CME, from the sun.

...if we could spray, conductive particles, into the upper atmosphere, we could perhaps increase its conductivity, and form an artificial shield.

i wish i could say its just an idea...

i think it's being done, and then there is that heavenly instrument, that angels are supposed to play:

http://137.229.36.30/cgi-bin/scmag/disp-sc...By=on&Bz=on

And your sources for these pearls of wisdom are...?

If you think carefully about those statements as a whole you should realize that it betrays very fuzzy thinking indeed.

Study the science lunk and not that junk stuff pumped out by the likes of WUWT, CO2 Science, ClimateAudit, Morano, Milloy etc all run by and on behalf of idealogues.

Here is a hint of what you should be looking at, if you are interested in the truth that is:

Global Warming Deniers and Their Proven Strategy of Doubt

check out Oreskes latest book:

Oreskes, Conway exposing the Merchants of Doubt

which traces the story of denial about the dangers of tobacco smoke, CFCs and of GHGs and the common thread of lobbies and players that run through them.

Stop being the tool of these odious creatures lunk.

and on ClimateAudit (McIntyre):

Scholars & Rogues Digs Deeper: Who Audits the Auditors?

and we must not forget old Monckton no must we:

Monckton bashing "left" and "right"

and

Monckton launches vitriolic - but harmless - attack on critic

Wake up people. Those whom you fear are controlling you here.

Omega, 2 questions;

1. Have the elite ever suggested using 'global warming' as a hoax to usher in their NWO agenda?

2. What do you make of the Chemtrail phenomenon?

I'm not Omega but I think you might find this article interesting Quest and Lunk, It's from Prison Planet which isn't the BBC so Omega won't like it.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/scientists-adm...ial-clouds.html

I have no idea myself, I try not to "believe" anything other than that which can be proven with evidence. The circumstantial evidence supporting these chemtrails is far stronger than the piss weak circumstantial evidence for AGW. At least chemtarails have a solid reproducible mechanism to support their existence.

You beat me to it, T.O. I believe the Chemtrail phenomenon is being used to promote the b.s. idea that planes and car travel are causing the skies to appear "dirty". However, another purpose and maybe the main one is the weaponization of weather.

When a cloud, even a small one, blocks the sun, it gets colder.

Are there less or more clouds today,
than yesteryear?

i've noticed considerably more,
mainly caused by airplanes.

Of course, this is just a personal perception.
perhaps a cloud just follows me around.

I also believe the weaponization of weather is why it, the myth of global warming, is soooo important to the 911 perps. If global warming is dismantled (it has been), then there goes "plausible deniability" for muddy skies and flash storms with severe winds and floods that coinicidently hit towns that organize and become pests to the NWO. The subsequent storm floods or wind storms that hit the town and destroys homes and lives will then be blamed on "global warming".

Chemtrails will also be used to destroy produce that will eventually be replaced by Monsanto crops.

Bottom line? Global warming is the "cover" or plausible denial for the weaponization of weather and it's many uses.

Waking Up The Farmers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43r01SttgzI

Geoengineers - Weather modification
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxRWHMSZNZ0

HAARP - Nature Modification Weapon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPusHeDlBxQ...feature=related

Geoengineering and Eugenics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2zKui1Zm_k...feature=related

That suggests that you think they have.

Whatever, it isnt relevant as global warming is not a hoax.

Scientists understand how increasing CO2 causes warming (quantim mechanics, thermodynamics, black body radiation balance and lapse rates) and how much of the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere is from human activities (isotopic analysis).

Also, as you should have noticed by now the Arctic ice is melting aways warmer year by warmer year. Note the temperature rise at the poles is much higher that else where. That is why global average increases does not rule out some areas experiencing cooling.

What you have not grasped is that your elite are themselves various factions, some sure are intent on increasing their graps on humanity. Others would like to challenge this group but that group hold a number of strong cards - remember JFK.

I would like you to read this and consider:

Presidential scholars: Bush is the worst president of the modern era, bottom five of all time

and pay particular attention to this comment:






Water vapour forms with the burning of any fuel and if at the correct height then this will condense leaving a trail.

The altitude that such condensation happens is where the condensation will more likely aid cooling than warming.

It should be noted that the troposphere is warming and warming the planet and the stratosphere is cooling. If warming was due to a change in solar output then the stratosphere would be warming too. Also the night time temperature anomalies are greater than day time ones. Once again this belies any notion that its the sun.

If science was as broken as some like to make you believe then airplanes would fall out of the sky much more often, your computer wouldn't work and all manner of other everyday things would not be around to irritate us.

You are a joker TO.

Maybe, just maybe, the materials in vapour trails are particles worn off the engine structure. Also turbo fans these days burn much more efficiently and generate commensurately more water vapour.

I nearly spluttered over my keyboard with this gem from Fred Singer:



Since when was Fred Singer interested in the truth on matters of pollution. Searchg out his history of employ by the tobacco industry, Naomi Oreskes book cited earlier is a good place to go.

As for Alex Jones I am beginning to consider him has an agent provocateur. Note how they left him free to try to incite others to civil disobedience. What was that realy all about?


You are not even wrong, stop being such a Dorothy!


Its called combustion.

EDIT: tpyo

The greatest threat and blessing, to the Earth is the sun.
The predicted sunspot-cycle, that has been very accurate, until now,
is predicting more spots, than the sun has.
Also, i have personally counted 8 objects, sun-grazing comets or fragments,
fly into the sun this year. Until, now, apparently a very rare event.
And the coronal mass ejections, some huge, have been happening almost weekly.

Other planets millions of miles away from the sun are experiencing atmospheric changes, never seen before.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

under a little green cloud,
the weather is all wonky,
and we (people), are told (we) people,
are to blame.

Rather, it looks to me, like the sun is building up to something,
and possibly has been, for a long, long, time,
and, rarely, regularly, once again,
is about to twinkle.

(edit) form/from

I had to look up two things after reading Omega's post, who the hell Fred Singer was what was his relationship to Dorothy the dinosaur.



These same scientists when pushing the CO2 hoax deliberately distort the logarithmic and not linear effect of CO2 to further the agenda, in fact these scientists understood so well the piss weak performance of the magic molecule alone they had to give it magical powers of persuasion over water molecules in the atmosphere, luckily they were proven to be fraudsters a year ago.

I'm prepared to theorize about chemtrails and not dismiss them out of hand like someone who knows everything in the universe in black and white, left and right terms. We know for a fact that their are ruthless bastards in control, they were the radicals of the 60's and 70's and have risen to power in just about every think tank, Parliament and ruthless bastard headquarters on Earth.
We also know that they're not immune to their own poisons as the they found out in Gulf War 1 when all the depleted uranium contaminated dust settled on Buckinghuge palace, Rio Tinto's largest shareholder can't have been amused.
My advice is to get on a course of multi vitamins and eat as much good real food as possible, filter your water where they add poison to the supply and get out of debt if possible.

Well. WRT Fred Singer, that is what comes of not knowing the history of science and global warming and the history of those who have tried to delay action for financial and/or ideological reasons. As for Dorothy that is a reference to 'The Wizard of Oz' with the implication that you Dorothys here cannot see who is realy behind the disinformation you wish to believe. Seriously folks, if you displayed the same level of willful ignorance WRT the events of 9/11 here then you would be rapidly shown the door.

Here is a newly prepared article on some of the science:

A simple recipe for GHE

and here is debunk of a newly minted example of the sort of disinformation coming from those who you should be identifying as the moraly (and perhaps criminally) culpable:

Archibald’s take on world temperatures



FFS Writes he who hasn't a clue about that to which he refers. Which scientists use a linear description of the effects of increasing quantities of CO2? Answer NONE! Besides consider that the CO2 window broadens as it becomes more saturated taking a bigger chunk out of the area under the curve which must then inflate (i.e. tropospheric temperatures rise) to renew the balance between incoming and outgoing radiation.

It is clear that you have not tried to understand any of the science.


I take it that here you are referring to climategate and other little 'pathetic-attempts-at-confusing-the-public-gates' that followed. It should be noted that the Sunday Times has had to retract the article that kicked off one of those latter.

Climategate was a manufactured brouhaha to derail Copenhagen and anybody with a shred of honesty who has studied the emails in contexts knows how malignant was the intent of the perpetrators. Delay on action against climate change is going to cost us all dear.


Did I dismiss them out of hand? No! Try to improve your comprehension skills.

Just because I happen to have actually studied this issue is no excuse for you harranging me because you have not.


And those think tanks happen to include in their number CATO, Heartland, CEI, George C Marshal etc. etc. all supporting denier-delayer speakers on tours and meeting around the globe. Get a grip on reality folks!

And my advice is to learn something about the topic in hand before venting your spleen all over especially the role of deniers and think tanks - these are the ones you should be angry with - those who have fooled you aided and abetted by those in Murdoch's echo chamber, you should know who they are and be warned:

The denial industry case notes

and on Fred Singer here is an entry point, follow the trails TO:

No apology is owed Dr. S. Fred Singer, and none will be forthcoming

Search on Naomi Oreskes and watch a presentation by her and read her book 'Merchants of Doubt'.

Of course its easier to pretend that global warming isn't happening, and if it is its nowt to do with us (a denier flip-flop point) as then we can carry on our lives and ignore reality.

Cryosphere TO, cryosphere! See links in earlier posts above and beyond.

i wonder what the "optical depth" of CO2 gas is...

Omega, interesting connections there with your "warming" guru, Jim Hoggan. He is trustee of the "Dalai Lama Centre for Peace and Education", huh?

http://hoggan.com/people/client-services-team/jim-hoggan


http://rwor.org/a/firstvol/tibet/cia5.htm



It seems Jim Hoggan keeps some interesting company.

Omega, didn't you also post a link a while back to an article that referenced a FED subsidized organization that pushed global warming but also pushed the absurd idea that Admiral Byrd found Nazis in a hollow earth from an entrance in the south pole?

Why are you promoting this CIA/spook crap?

Thank you Quest

Haha ... the "Dalai Lama Centre for Peace and Education"! Kinda like, the "Carnegie Endowment for International Peace".

Of course, there will be peace,
...without people.

Nothing but volcanoes and forest fires,
to create the CO2, and nobody to complain.

Eventually the Earth will become a natural evolved utopia,
with nobody left to appreciate it.

...except, perhaps, omega

What is so wrong with that. Note this from Sourcewatch:

James Hoggan



and

David Suzuki Foundation



What is so evil about all that unless:

http://rwor.org/a/firstvol/tibet/cia5.htm

you wish to believe some BS crap you happened on in some corner of the internet.

That is the trouble with you guys your information filters are so FUBARED you have lost the ability to think rationally, to you there is a NWO conspiracy at every turn.

It is of course dead easy to just keep spouting all manner of unsubstantiated allegations repeatedly than actual do some work and study the reality of this issue and how you have allowed the likes of Inhofe, Morano, Malloy, Monckton, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly carry on spreading the disinformation that spewed out of the likes of Sietz, and Singer who have a notorious reputation fore refuting things like ozone depletion, acid rain and the dangers of second hand tobacco smoke. These are the real moral criminals in any conspiracy here. Their efforts in delaying action on those issues killed millions and millions more will die from the climate changes that are already upon us.
You really need to get a grip on how this issue has been clouded by those paying to fog the issue - hint the same people that have allowed the gulf and Alaska to be polluted and others to die from the effects of coal mining and burning.

As Desmog put it:



Apart from Hoggan 'Climate Cover Up' here are two other books that peel back the covers of the roaches clouding the global warming isssue:

Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming

The Climate War: True Believers, Power Brokers, and the Fight to Save the Earth

Interesting? Please qualify.


Not I.


Why do you persist in avoiding learning the truth about this issue instead of that crap coming from now proven bullshitters.

Perhaps you have not been paying attention to the news lately. That is the only excuse for your continued ignorance about nature's begining kick back.

You do realise that we have yet to see all the warming that will result from the huge amounts of CO2 already pumped into the atmosphere for it takes time for the systems to readjust, the systems are always playing catch-up as we continue to increase the amounts of carbon pushed into the atmosphere.

Even as far back as Linden Johnson the coming global warming problem was recognised and by the late 1980s the science was backing it up. Then the likes of Singer et. al. kicked in with a proven disinformation campaign which has had the obvious effect. Some Americans are so confused they think global warming is a scam and that cap and trade is a tax on citizens. Well both of those positions are only tenable by the ignorant.

Laugh as much as you like, you are not even wrong!

?

Omega, feel free to keep flailing away. There is no ignoring the FACT of the Hoggan/Dali Lama/CIA connection. Try as you will, this won't go away.

Laugh as much as I like, I'm not "even" wrong? What does that mean?


The Carnegie Endowment was one of the important institutions which conspired to hijack America, circa before the first World War. The Carnegie Endowment was closely linked with the founders of the CFR and the Federal Reserve, Elihu Root headed both the CFR and the Carnegie Endowment. The corporate and bood-hiers of this faction are the people behind the Global Warming scam - they want One World Government, James Warburg said so in front of the US Senate in 1950, and the whole Climate Change scam is a means of tapping countries to fund it. Thanks to Climate-gate and the gradual waking up of the people of the world that the world is actually cooling and that this is all propoganda, they (the elite) hit a speed-bump.

They are trying hard to hide the scandal and get past it and pass legislation in various countries to tax us for our CO2 emmissions, but happily they haven't yet duped us all.

Exactly.

Also, the climate scam is how the "right" (media, military and neocons) is trying to get the pro-environment US "left", which was formerly anti-war, on board with the genocide of the Iraqis, Afghanis, and soon Iranians in the middle-east. It's all too obvious that the neocons and military are trying to make war and genocide look "green" and "pro-environment" by inference when in reality, the US military is the biggest concern and polluter in the western hemisphere - if not the world (see depleted uranium and aluminum/barium-laden chemtrails). In effect, the neocons are giving the left a noose, in the form of "envornmentalism", which will be used to hang themselves in the form of lost jobs, leading to lack of discretionary capital and eventually, loss of freedom. How you cannot see this, Omega, is beyond me.

I hope you blokes aren't surprised by Omega's allegiances, he has stated all along he believes there are too many of us and constantly derailed the Malthus thread and any other thread that tried to shine some light on his idols. It's only pretty recently that he's dropped all pretense at being a skeptic and has gone flat out on the Suzuki.

Hmmm, I wasn't aware of his leanings. I would assume then that he would be one of the first to offer up a few of his friends and family members to the Soylent Green "list", true? I mean, that would be the honorable and consistent thing to do, right, Omega?

Soylent Green (for those too young)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070723/plotsummary

I mean, could the hoax of global warming not be any more clear than in the following statement by the queen?


http://www.prisonplanet.com/queen-propagan...-un-speech.html

http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/OpticalDepth.html

CO2 is transparent as a gas.
Its' optical depth, is a measure of its opacity,
which, i think, is pretty near zero.

If CO2 is such an insulating gas, to cause global warming,
why isn't it used between double glassed windows,
for insulation?

The world money systems, are being replaced by a world wide, carbon credit ponzi scheme.
The entire justification of this, is somehow linked to the individuals carbon dioxide emissions, presently, in the future, and the past.

This could, possibly, be acceptable, if it was true,
but the theory, is cherry picking the facts,
and inverting their data,
which is just as questionable.

However, regardless, in the meantime, the present economic system, is being taken down, through a permitted, and encouraged, corruption.

The replacement system is already in the works,
so when the present one fails,
there is a new one there already,
to take its' place.

Harvard Professor: ‘Exploit Gulf Disaster For Carbon Tax’
http://www.prisonplanet.com/harvard-profes...carbon-tax.html

You're not even wrong Lunk.

That is totally and utterly unwarranted.

Constantly deralled the Malthus thread! I have rarely posted there.

As for going flat out on Suzuki it is you guys brought him into the picture.

WTF are you on?

I have told you before and I'll tell you again, Jones is not what you think he is.

Anybody who considers that BP and the Obama administration created the gulf disaster for purposes of enabling cap-and trade is out of their mind. Besides cap-and trade is not the dreaded carbon tax that helped sink Clinton and which Newt Gingrich played an active role in FUBARing. Go do some recent history lads.

And yeah, I am aware of Ron Paul's recent comments see the expose of them here:

GOP Reps Broun and Paul jump oily shark: BP and Obama conspired on oil spill to push climate bill

Would I be right in thinking that Rand Paul is Ron's lad, what a twerp he appears to be:

Rand Paul refuses to say how old the earth is: “I think I’m just gonna have to pass on that one”

Clearly one of Ihofe's same thinking buddies. You do remember which state Inhofe was Governor of, do you not, and what happened there?

Seriously folks start using your brains to think rather than jump at anything that appears to reinforce your existing prejudices.

You seriously need to start understanding who has hoodwinked you here. Heck you folks were all against the MM such as Faux news and their bigoted pundits and now you are siding with them and acting like them. Sheeeesh!

Cognitive dissonance is alive and well and appearing here.

Now on Climategate, mark this well:

New York Times to media: Exonerations of climate science and National Academy report should “receive as much circulation” as “the manufactured controversy known as Climategate”

Read also my coming reply to Lunk WRT Carbon windows.

Oh my!

You still have not got the science here have you.

CO2 is not transparent to the longer waves reflected back from the earth's surface.

You play a guitar lunk and should understand how sound waves are propagated and also know that certain notes played by some instruments, or sung, can shatter a wine glass. Think why that is? The molecules in the glass start to vibrate in response and at a certain pitch the inter-molecular forces are overcome causing disintegration of the glass. Glass should be considered as a fluid BTW.

Similarly, certain wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum cause molecules to vibrate. This vibration causes heat which warms up the atmosphere and then the ground. Simple really.

John Tyndall, a nineteenth century British physicist carried out experiments by passing light through a tube with a thermopile detector at the far end to test the infrared absorption powers of various atmospheric gases:

from Wiki:



full article on Tyndall:

John Tyndall

The reason why CO2 is not used within double-glazed windows should now be clear. CO2 will heat up when exposed to certain wavelengths and thus heat up the surrounding glass and casuse a warming effect rather than a cooling effect. This is why such spaces are filled with an relatively inert gas such as nitrogen.

ATTENTION ALL those who deny the effects of GHGs and the human input:

A Saturated Gassy Argument

and the next part:

Part II: What Ångström didn’t know

Please try to understand:

The science

The role of the think tanks and their agents in confusing you

The fact that Climategate was a hoax manufactured by those think tank agents. These are the same people who you not so long ago were castigating for their role in promoting the 9/11 OCT.

Your brains have been scrambled.

But you have been duped. See my recent replies to Quest and Lunk.

Study the science.

Study the history of manufactured doubt about how well understood the science and its ramifications are.

Sure the extent of some of the responses such as magnitude of sea levels and temperature rises and their associated timescales are not clear and depend on our actions, or inaction.

Some parts of Britain have already seen a sea level rise of 15 cm and warming seas are causing a shortage of some species such as sand eels upon which some of our iconic sea birds, e.g. Puffins, depend, the numbers of these birds are plummeting. There are numerous other examples for those with an open mind to appreciate.

Nature is responding. Tell the melting Arctic ice that it is all a hoax. 2010 is already breaking heat records and at a time with lower solar activity.

EDIT
BTW:



No the Dalai Lama Centre IS NOT anything like the Carnegie EIP so trying to use that as smoke to cover your misconceptions is absurd.

It's kinda like me writing, 'Sanders is kinda like Tim Ball'.

15 cm is about half a foot or six inches, that is a lot of shoreline around Britain.
If all the worlds oceans are connected, why haven't i seen any rise in the maximum sea level on the West Coast of Canada?
In fact, at least 2 of the lowest tides in recorded history, have been measured over the last 30 years. Yet the high tide has gotten no higher.
This would mean that sea level is falling, not rising.
As water maintains the same level, on average.

...perhaps Britain is just sinking, into the ocean,
that might look like the sea is rising.

Perhaps Sanders can tell us what is happening with sea levels in Japan?

(edited) plural problem

I have indicated before why this could be, the coastline there is rising and clearly faster than sea levels. This could be from two factors - the effects of the nearby active subduction zone, these Wadati-Benioff zones tend to push up the continental crust beneth wich the ocean floor is descending. The other mechanism is isostatic rebound after the ice age gacier retreat.

Here is more on sea change:



Read more:

In the oceans, the heat is really on

So many genies are going to be released from the bottle as climate change progresses the question is will civilization be able to respond quickly enough before being disabled by events?

I wonder if crab will still be caught in Alaskan waters? Probably not.

Now see what climate denier Sensenbrenner is spouting about BP and note the shares he has in that company:

Major BP shareholder Rep. Sensenbrenner says BP doesn’t “deserve any type of executive bonuses”

and note this about Fox and the denier backing CEI:

Notes from the Denial Industrial Complex: Chamber of Commerce rents its roof to Fox News, Fox News refuses to critically report on the Chamber

Time to start thinking straight folks. Rationing is something we wish to avoid but the longer inaction is the watchword the more certain such measures will eventually be taken and mostly by mother nature, viz the collapse of ecosystems.

The earth will shed as as surely as she shed other organisms that modified their environment in extreme and self defeating ways. Oxygen sensitive organisms now survive only as extreamophiles. We only escape the effects of oxygen for awhile by using energy to counter entropy. When that process cannot be continued we die, simple.